Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

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Free Moral Agency

Revelation 22:17,
- And the Spirit and the bride say come and let him who hears say come, and let him who thrists say come. Whoever desires, let him take of the water of life freely.

Joshua 22:16,
- Thus says the whole congregation of the Lord: what treachery is this that you have commited against the God of Israel, to turn away this day from following the Lord, in that you have built for yourselves an altar, that you might rebel this day against the Lord?

Here Kermos would teach God made them first obey then turn against God.
No free will.
Therefore Kermos, his god may do the same to him in the future.
Cause him to turn away from following Jesus. Unfortunately he is not a follower of Jesus' gospel but for discussion sake I say this.
Kermos has no free will.
Once again no assurance in Kermos' religion.


Of course it was by their free will they chose to turn against God.
Therefore God is not gulity for their sin.

Deuteronomy 30:19,
- I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death,
blessing and cursing; therefore  choose life that both you and your descendants may live

Kermos' calvinism has God making all the choices for us.
Therefore God chooses death for some and life for some.
Calvinist god loves and hates based on nothing we do.

God may choose death for Kermos.
He has no choice in the matter.
He cannot love God by his own will.
God controls his love or turns his love into hate.

Calvinism is completely false.
God's will is to give us freewill to choose Him or the world.
 
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God taught that He died for everyone. That is not universalism.
Universalism is when you believe everyone is going to heaven despite what an individual believes.


By your teaching it must also be true that God exclusively chose the many to burn in hell before they were born.

You cannot know that you are among the loved or the hated.
You will only know if you are elected when you face God in judgement.

Also your wife and children may be hated by your god.
They have no freewill ability to be saved.
This is the god you serve.
You should not correct your children to do right.
They are totally depraved wicked sinners that cannot do right no matter how much you try and make them.
If they do anything that is right it must be for the wrong reasons.
How do you love a god that is going to burn your wife and children in hell, and save you.
Knowing that He foreordained it, without anyone's freewill choice to change what God has decreed?
You are no more deserving heaven as your children are deserving hell.
You teach we are all equally wicked with no good in us.

Your first paragraph expresses your confused thoughts because in the very post to which you replied I proclaimed that not everyone goes to heaven, in particular:

Universalism is deception because the Word of God says "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 7:21) thus Jesus indicates that some people do not enter heaven which means those people go to hell (Matthew 25:41).

Lord Jesus declares that He exclusively saves His own with "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) and "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19, includes salvation) and "What I say to you I say to all" (Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), but you persist in calling Lord Jesus a liar.

The Lord Jesus teaches the only God is good with "No one is good except God alone" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 10:18),

In your heart, you are nullifying the need for the Savior by claiming man is good, in fact, you think the opposite of Christ's sayings are true resulting in your heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19) being "Everyone is good even God alone" (the word of @Titus), yet the Christ says "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48)

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.
 

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And according to your religion
GOD CREATED THEM TO BE EVIL.
Therefore who can blame anyone who is evil in your religion?
You cannot.
Therefore only God is accountable for the wicked and those who go to hell.
Man is not accountable for his sinful wickedness for he has no freewill to choose as you teach.

Back to the point, "the whole world" in 1 John 2:2 does not mean everyone everywhere in all time similar to the fact that the whole world" in 1 John 5:19 does not mean everyone everywhere in all time.

The Apostle John wrote "He Himself is the propitiation for our sins and not for ours only, but also for the whole world" (1 John 2:2), and this "the whole world" mentioned by John refers only to the chosen persons of God (John 15:16, John 15:19) who are yet to be imparted the work of God which is faith/belief in Lord Jesus Christ whom the Father has sent (John 6:29).

All this is just as the post to which you replied shows.

The One True Graceful Good God is magnificently merciful to convert one evil person into a child of God (Matthew 18:3). It is written "To whom then will you liken Me That I would be equal? says the Holy One. Lift up your eyes on high and see who has created these, The One who leads forth their host by number, He calls them all by name; Because of the greatness of His might and the strength of power, Not one is missing." (Isaiah 40:25-26), but your free-willian philosophy has people in hell for whom you say Jesus died to save.

"No one is good except God alone" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 10:18), but in your self-will (2 Peter 2:9-10), you revile His Royal decrees.

It is written "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself" (Ezekiel 18:20).

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.
 

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), but in your self-will
Kermos admits I have free will choice to believe what I want.
This is comical to me.
Kermos is saying this about me while believing his god is controlling me to do it,
Remember no freewill. I am doing what God forordained me to do,

but in your self-will (2 Peter 2:9-10), you revile His Royal decrees.
Kermos needs to take this up with his god.
I had no choice in the matter.
God determined me to think and do what I do.
Therefore I am not accountable for anything Kermos accuses me of.
His god is to blame for I have no freewill. His god created me this way.

Of course if you are not indoctrinated into this foolish misinterpretation of the scriptures,
one can understand I am accountable for what I believe because I have the will to chose what I believe and do.
Kermos should be joyful for those who go against God. It is his gods will that they do rebel.
 

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Typical calvinist to ignore where his doctrinal teachings lead them.

All of what you are teaching is unscriptual.


This proves your religion makes God gulity for all who go to hell.
Man is not accountable for what he does.
Man cannot choose God or satan. God chooses for him.

Therefore God is made gulity for all who go to hell.

Your post is heavily laden with your thoughts, yet your post is devoid of scripture.

A word about your thoughts. It is written, "'For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,' declares the LORD. 'For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.'" (Isaiah 55:8-9).

A word about adding to scripture as you have done. It is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6), and the above explanation of your thoughts shows where you added to scripture.

Of the new Jerusalem, the Apostle John wrote "nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27) - notice that no one who practices lying gets in, and a human adding to scripture is the human lying.

Your free will assertion is referring to man attempting to override God's thoughts with man's thoughts, and that is evil.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.
 

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You said it yourself, the Quran does not teach the Gospel of Christ.
That's because they read about it from Mohammed.

But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

So, according to you, "The moment Adam allowed the serpent into the garden, that he was told to keep, is when Adam had lust in his own heart",
That is only my supposition as stated. It is evident Eve did not receive lust, until the serpent actually seduced her.


You continue with "So soon as we sin against God, we do evil in sight of God and are judged and condemned as evil by God", and it is here that you convey that Adam was evil before he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not only that you convey that he sinned before he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
True, however long he was lusting was the moment God knew He was doing so, even as the moment He saw the lust in Lucifer's heart.

However, only when we follow thru with the lust to do it, are we dead by the commandment.

And so the commandment of God not to eat of it, was not transgressed unto death, until he ate of it.

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.



An inherently good Adam would have assuredly and absolutely excluded eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
He did, for a season. So do many born again Christians, unless we also sin as Adam.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

By your doctrine of imparted will by God into man, that no man can resist, then no born again Christian would sin again in this life.

I've asked you several times, if are an example of that, and you fail to answer, which is your answer. You're own continued sinning in life proves your own doctrine of no free will for man, is false.

AND it is written "God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day" (Genesis 1:31)

BEHOLD that God saw the whole package, the complete creation, the "all" that He had made, that it was very good

BUT God did not specify how the aggregate (all) that He had made was very good therein
Sophistry
AND God did not specify any constituents of creation as being inherently good therein
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


The problem with preaching one's own gospel, is eventually the same one no longer reads the Bible to confirm anything they say. I've seen it many times, that such false teachers just keep on talking and talking, and then just say the opposite of Scripture.

Your doctrine is not based solely upon the written words of God, but also upon your own vain imagination. You really do think, that just because you believe something and say it, then that makes it so.

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

SO with certainty, God's Plan of Redemption through the Christ for mankind before the foundation of the world is very good

True. Even better than the very good He makes all things in the beginning.
IN other words, if Adam was inherently good, then he could not have eaten from the tree the knowledge of good and evil

BECAUSE it would have been impossible for an inherently good Adam to disobey God's command of not eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil

SINCE an inherently good Adam would have been the embodiment of obedience of God's command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil

AND an inherently good Adam would have unquestionably refrained from eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil without him having the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:22)

THEREFORE an inherently good Adam would have done the opposite of good by eating of the tree the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:6)

SO an inherently good Adam would have unavoidably avoided eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Your own continued sinning disproves your own philosophy.

I've already challenged the rest of your stuff enough. You can keep repeating yourself if you wish. But once you run out of anything new to say, and continue to not acknowledged my challenges, then this will come to a dwindling end.
 

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Yikes, you continue practicing the lawlessness (Matthew 7:21-23) of calling the Word of God an eastern religion ritual involving doctrines of demons (1 Timothy 4:1). A mantra is not Christian. You wickedly used mantra in the antichrist sense to refer to the Word of God which follows. You do not bear the fruit of Godly sorrow for the way you treated the Word of God.

No sign of repentance from you right down to your closing paragraph of "Once last pasted mantra, hopefully". In his evil heart (Jeremiah 17:9), man slaps and spits in God's face by calling the Word of God a mantra.

Christians are in awe of the works of God and poignantly the Word of God.

Christians do not adulterate the Word of God nor do Christians nullify the works of God.

You deceive yourself that your words are greater than Lord Jesus Christ's words again because the Word of God eliminates any and all potential for free-willian philosophy with:
  • "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15 , the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage), yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (the word of Gilligan).
  • "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God chooses people unto salvation, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you chose me to get yourself out of the world and into the Kingdom of God" (the word of Gilligan) - compare your words to the Lord Jesus explaining that without the intervention of the Holy Spirit of Almighty God, you cannot even perceive the Kingdom of God righteously, much less King Jesus, with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
  • "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "What I say to you I say to you and only you" (the word of Gilligan).

Christians are in awe of the works of God and the Word of God. I am in awe of the works of God and the Word of God.

Christians do not adulterate the Word of God. You adulterate the Word of God into some strange beast such that it is no longer the Word of God but truly the word of Gilligan Free-willian philosophy.

You add to the Word of God, and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Of the new Jerusalem, the Apostle John wrote "nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27) - notice that no one who practices lying gets in, and a human adding to scripture is the human lying.

Your free will assertion is referring to man attempting to override God's thoughts with man's thoughts, and that is a grievous sin.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.
Already responded to your paste jobs.
 

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Saying you love God in your religion does not prove you are elected.
Later in life God can cause you to become an unbeliever.
Whether you believe this or not it is possible because you have no freewill to think you love God.
God determined you to think you love God.
Its possible God has deceived you into believing you are saved.

I know of calvinist pastors who have preached for churches in Virginia for decades leave over adultry with women in the church.
Those men were teaching exactly what you are teaching.
They claimed to love God just as you claim it.
How can I know you are not just another person who proclaims the calvinist gospel today.
But in the future will be back in willful sin.
There is no freewill for you to know where God is going to lead you.
You have no choice what you will say, believe and practise tomorrow.

You really do not understand the Word of God who says "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one" (John 10:27-30).

Therefore, the Lord Jesus has taken me in His Loving Hand, and I am securely held by the One True God and Savior forevermore.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.
 

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That's a fanatical kind of OSAS you're speaking of. God preaches that He would have all men everywhere to be saved, but not all choose to do so by His only begotten Son.

Your peach a false god with respect of persons, that goodly creates some souls to choose the good, and wickedly creates some souls to choose the evil.

You preach a kind of Christian Janus, that does things both ways. He creates some men some way, and other men another way.


You're the one now full of Roman philosophy. You left scripture long ago.


The true God is non partial in creating some men to believe, and other not to believe.


True. He chooses them that do believe on Him and obey His word. He does not choose them that choose otherwise. Fair is faith with God.


Sounds like OSAS. They just love to degrade themselves to show how unworthy they are to be saved. The problem is they are unworthy to be saved, because they continue degrading themselves by sinning again Jesus.

Paul calls it a willful humility without honor.


True.


So, you are OSAS saved by dead faith alone.


That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

As I said. the willful self-degrading humility of the degraded, supposing humbleness is confessing they are still degraded sinners.



Saving grace is only for them that choose to resist the devil and serve Jesus. It's for help in time of need to overcome sin, nor for help in time of need to overcome condemnation while sinning.


That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.


Oh you are OSAS all the way. Saved from wrath while still sinning. Not saved from sinning.

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Your predeterminism says that because you have dead faith alone, you're no longer condemned with world, while still sinning with the world.

It's the most vile form of hypocrisy ever created by Jews and Christians alike.

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?




For saints it is choosing to serve God by faith, rather than saying I believe alone with the lips only.


True. Your choice to believe you are chosen to be saved before the world began, means you have no choice in the matter, whether doing good or veil. It's your choice to believe yourself rather than God.


God does not trust anyone promising to serve Him. He only chooses them that are serving Him.

You open your post with a lie of "God preaches that He would have all men everywhere to be saved, but not all choose to do so by His only begotten Son", yet you provide no scriptural basis.

No one can choose Jesus for Lord Jesus declares that He exclusively saves His own with "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) and "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19, includes salvation) and "What I say to you I say to all" (Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), but you persist in calling Lord Jesus a liar in your practicing the lawlessness (Matthew 7:21-23) of "I chose to serve Jesus".

I did notice you mentioned OSAS over and over, such as "So, you are OSAS saved by dead faith alone", and that is a terribly evil thing for you to write about the Living God imparting faith into me for the Word of God says "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29)!

You make a lot of unfounded accusations about once saved always saved (OSAS), but you neglect the Word of God who says "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one" (John 10:27-30); therefore, the Lord Jesus has taken me in His Loving Hand, and I am securely held by the One True God and Savior forevermore. ALL PRAISE AND GLORY AND HONOR TO THE LORD JESUS!

It is written "Behold, His servants, He does not trust" (Job 4:18), but your closing paragraph says "God does not trust anyone promising to serve Him. He only chooses them that are serving Him" about this passage; therefore, your heart adulterates the passage into "Behold, His servants who choose Him, He does trust" (the word of Gilligan).

Twice, you quoted "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved" as your heart's basis for your claim of choosingJesus, yet I proclaim the Word of God to you showing that you are wrong:
  • the "confess" in Romans 10:9 is caused by God "he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21)
  • the "believe" in Romans 10:9 is caused by God "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29).
So, as long as your heart's thoughts are "I chose to serve Jesus", then you fail.

Christians are in awe of the works of God and poignantly the Word of God.

Christians do not adulterate the Word of God nor do Christians nullify the works of God.

You deceive yourself that your words are greater than Lord Jesus Christ's words again because the Word of God eliminates any and all potential for free-willian philosophy with:
  • "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15 , the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage), yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (the word of Gilligan).
  • "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God chooses people unto salvation, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you chose me to get yourself out of the world and into the Kingdom of God" (the word of Gilligan) - compare your words to the Lord Jesus explaining that without the intervention of the Holy Spirit of Almighty God, you cannot even perceive the Kingdom of God righteously, much less King Jesus, with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
  • "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "What I say to you I say to you and only you" (the word of Gilligan).

Christians are in awe of the works of God and the Word of God. I am in awe of the works of God and the Word of God.

Christians do not adulterate the Word of God. You adulterate the Word of God into some strange beast such that it is no longer the Word of God but truly the word of Gilligan Free-willian philosophy.

You add to the Word of God, and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Of the new Jerusalem, the Apostle John wrote "nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27) - notice that no one who practices lying gets in, and a human adding to scripture is the human lying.

Your free will assertion is referring to man attempting to override God's thoughts with man's thoughts, and that is a grievous sin.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.
 
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Free Moral Agency

Revelation 22:17,
- And the Spirit and the bride say come and let him who hears say come, and let him who thrists say come. Whoever desires, let him take of the water of life freely.

Joshua 22:16,
- Thus says the whole congregation of the Lord: what treachery is this that you have commited against the God of Israel, to turn away this day from following the Lord, in that you have built for yourselves an altar, that you might rebel this day against the Lord?

Here Kermos would teach God made them first obey then turn against God.
No free will.
Therefore Kermos, his god may do the same to him in the future.
Cause him to turn away from following Jesus. Unfortunately he is not a follower of Jesus' gospel but for discussion sake I say this.
Kermos has no free will.
Once again no assurance in Kermos' religion.


Of course it was by their free will they chose to turn against God.
Therefore God is not gulity for their sin.

Deuteronomy 30:19,
- I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death,
blessing and cursing; therefore  choose life that both you and your descendants may live

Kermos' calvinism has God making all the choices for us.
Therefore God chooses death for some and life for some.
Calvinist god loves and hates based on nothing we do.

God may choose death for Kermos.
He has no choice in the matter.
He cannot love God by his own will.
God controls his love or turns his love into hate.

Calvinism is completely false.
God's will is to give us freewill to choose Him or the world.

Based on your opening few paragraphs, your heart adulterates the Book of Revelation thusly "The Spirit and the bride say, 'Come.' And let the one who hears say, 'Come.' And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who Free Moral Agency wishes take the water of life without cost" away from the Apostle John's writing of "The Spirit and the bride say, 'Come.' And let the one who hears say, 'Come.' And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost" (Revelation 22:17).

Immediately after Revelation 22:17, the Apostle John continued:
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.​
(Revelation 22:18-19)​

You brought up Revelation 22:17, and the above paragraphs demonstrate your heart and your preaching add to the Book of Revelation, and the very next verse after Revelation 22:17 has dire warning and consequences about adding to the Book of Revelation.

To remind you, the Word of God says "he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21).

The Apostle Paul wrote "it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).

It is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6). Your lie leavens your whole post (Galatians 5:9) because when you added to Revelation 22:17, then you told a lie.

Now back to the Book of Revelation, since you continue to practice lying, then you need to read of the new Jerusalem about which the Apostle John wrote "nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27) - notice that no one who practices lying gets in, and a human persistently adding to scripture is the human practicing lying.

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You open your post with a lie of "God preaches that He would have all men everywhere to be saved, but not all choose to do so by His only begotten Son", yet you provide no scriptural basis.

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
I did notice you mentioned OSAS over and over, such as "So, you are OSAS saved by dead faith alone", and that is a terribly evil thing for you to write about the Living God imparting faith into me for the Word of God says "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29)!
You're the one teaching even worse than OSAS. You say all men will be saved whether they believe or not. At least OSAS says we must first believe.

(John 10:27-30); therefore, the Lord Jesus has taken me in His Loving Hand, and I am securely held by the One True God and Savior forevermore.
As I said, OSAS. The only ones sure in Christ are those adding to their faith those things that do ensure our salvation and shall never fall into temptation and sin.

Faith alone does nothing, and OSAS rejects adding anything to saving faith.

It is written "Behold, His servants, He does not trust" (Job 4:18), but your closing paragraph says "God does not trust anyone promising to serve Him. He only chooses them that are serving Him" about this passage; therefore, your heart adulterates the passage into "Behold, His servants who choose Him, He does trust" (the word of Gilligan).

Twice, you quoted "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved" as your heart's basis for your claim of choosingJesus, yet I proclaim the Word of God to you showing that you are wrong:
  • the "confess" in Romans 10:9 is caused by God "he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21)
  • the "believe" in Romans 10:9 is caused by God "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29).
So, as long as your heart's thoughts are "I chose to serve Jesus", then you fail.

Christians are in awe of the works of God and poignantly the Word of God.

Christians do not adulterate the Word of God nor do Christians nullify the works of God.

You deceive yourself that your words are greater than Lord Jesus Christ's words again because the Word of God eliminates any and all potential for free-willian philosophy with:
  • "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15 , the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage), yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (the word of Gilligan).
  • "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God chooses people unto salvation, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you chose me to get yourself out of the world and into the Kingdom of God" (the word of Gilligan) - compare your words to the Lord Jesus explaining that without the intervention of the Holy Spirit of Almighty God, you cannot even perceive the Kingdom of God righteously, much less King Jesus, with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
  • "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "What I say to you I say to you and only you" (the word of Gilligan).

Christians are in awe of the works of God and the Word of God. I am in awe of the works of God and the Word of God.

Christians do not adulterate the Word of God. You adulterate the Word of God into some strange beast such that it is no longer the Word of God but truly the word of Gilligan Free-willian philosophy.

You add to the Word of God, and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Of the new Jerusalem, the Apostle John wrote "nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27) - notice that no one who practices lying gets in, and a human adding to scripture is the human lying.

Your free will assertion is referring to man attempting to override God's thoughts with man's thoughts, and that is a grievous sin.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.
More old hat. Nothing new here. One thing you have in common with amils, is the pride of copy pasting old mantra.
 

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I guess I'm coming in late . . .

There's no problem there, marks.

Naturally only God has a completely free will. All others are created beings, and are only able to choose as according to their created nature.

We can choose to eat an apple or an orange, but only if there is an apple and an orange available. We can choose to go swimming, but we cannot choose to swim to the bottom of the ocean.

Are you certain a person cannot choose to swim to the bottom of the ocean?

Could a person choose to swim to the bottom of the ocean but fail? Even make the attempt? Failure is guaranteed, and failure results in drowning. That sounds very much like Free-willian Philosophy.

So in asking if Adam had "free will", it depends on what you mean. I don't know that he could have chosen to implode the sun, for instance. Not trying to be flippant here, just to define what we mean.

OK, let's continue with your non-flippant (I think you are genuinely trying to make a point) idea about Adam "choosing" to implode the sun.

That would be a very self-destructive thing to do because the sun is necessary for human life.

marks, that would not be choosing God.

So when you say "free will", what exactly does that mean?

As included in the original post, "Largely, I use free will to mean man choosing toward God, emphatically Lord Jesus Christ".

Being offered an apple and an orange, and being invited to select one, doesn't that assume that we are able to?

Much love!

Not with a command of God unless ability is expressly imparted, but I see that you wrote "offered". A command shows fruit, either (1) fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) shows the person belonging to Christ or (2) deeds of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21) showing the person not inheriting the Kingdom of God.

I highlighted flesh because Adam was flesh as recorded in "And flesh of my flesh" (Genesis 2:23).

"Those who are according to the flesh, the things of the flesh do mind; and those according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit" (The Apostle Paul, Romans 8:5). The flesh opposes the Holy Spirit of God (Galatians 5:17).

God commanded Adam, the man of flesh, saying "Of every tree of the garden eating thou dost eat; and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it — dying thou dost die" (Genesis 2:16-17, YLT).

Do not assume about scripture, marks.

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Free Moral Agency

Revelation 22:17,
- And the Spirit and the bride say come and let him who hears say come, and let him who thrists say come. Whoever desires, let him take of the water of life freely.

Joshua 22:16,
- Thus says the whole congregation of the Lord: what treachery is this that you have commited against the God of Israel, to turn away this day from following the Lord, in that you have built for yourselves an altar, that you might rebel this day against the Lord?

Here Kermos would teach God made them first obey then turn against God.
No free will.
Therefore Kermos, his god may do the same to him in the future.
Cause him to turn away from following Jesus. Unfortunately he is not a follower of Jesus' gospel but for discussion sake I say this.
Kermos has no free will.
Once again no assurance in Kermos' religion.


Of course it was by their free will they chose to turn against God.
Therefore God is not gulity for their sin.

Deuteronomy 30:19,
- I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death,
blessing and cursing; therefore  choose life that both you and your descendants may live

Kermos' calvinism has God making all the choices for us.
Therefore God chooses death for some and life for some.
Calvinist god loves and hates based on nothing we do.

God may choose death for Kermos.
He has no choice in the matter.
He cannot love God by his own will.
God controls his love or turns his love into hate.

Calvinism is completely false.
God's will is to give us freewill to choose Him or the world.

Let's just look at your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) thing you call "Free Moral Agency".

Free will: an autonomous will, an isolated willpower, detached volition, independent moral agency, Free Moral Agency.

A will exists not in a vacuum; in other words, a will must be part of a host.

Respecting an unsaved person - the default first condition of every person, since a host person is required to host a will, then the person's will is part of the person's self, so the person's will is self-will because the person'a will is attached to the self-same person; on the other hand, the person's will is not free floating detached from the person, so the person's will is not free-will.

The Apostle proclaims a person's will is either one of but not both of:
  1. a person's will is controlled by God with "God having purified your souls in the obedience of the Truth through the Spirit" (1 Peter 1:21-22) and "it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).
  2. a person's will is controlled by man with "the Lord knows how" "to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority, daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

A person's will is dependent upon God (Christimage-will (bond-will), Romans 8:29), or a person's will is dependent upon man (self-will). No other will exists for a person; therefore, free-will is an illusion as conveyed by the Apostle Paul with "I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will" (Philemon 1:14).

While the unrighteous unbelievers daringly revel in their own glory founded in their self-willed "I chose Jesus" (2 Peter 2:9-10), we righteousness of God in Christ believers worship the Glorious One (2 Corinthians 5:21) who sovereignly chose us (John 15:16, John 15:19).

Thus says Adonai YHWH (Lord GOD) "I am YHWH; that is my name; my glory I give to no other" (Isaiah 42:8), yet the free-willians try to steal God's exclusive glory in the salvation of man.

The Christ's declaration to us Christians is very clear "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16) as well as "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation) as well as "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this thus including all believers in all time); therefore, Christ defines us Christians, and we Christians believe the Christ!

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A person's will is dependent upon God (Christimage-will (bond-will), Romans 8:29), or a person's will is dependent upon man (self-will). No other will exists for a person; therefore, free-will is an illusion as conveyed by the Apostle Paul with "I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will" (Philemon 1:14).
Words defined are only allowed by the reformed religion.
Fine, God made Judas Iscariot to go against God and burn in hell.
That means God may someday do the same to you.
You have no free will to be saved or lost.
Your religion has no assurance of salvation.
 

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WHATEVER, ALL CAPS DOES NOT IMPRESS ME, BUT ONLY SHOWS ME SOMEONE IS ALL MOUTH AND NO SUBSTANCE, TRYING TO TALK OVER PEOPLE BY ALL CAPS. :)



God is not the creator of children of the devil.


Old stuff already answered.

All caps provides emphasis. I joyfully shout that Lord Jesus alone saves man from the wrath of God - that King Jesus exclusively saves me from the punishment for sin. In another vein, with sincerity, I shout a warning to people enraptured in the devil.

NO SCRIPTURE STATES MAN HAS A FREE-WILL TO CHOOSE JESUS, SO SELF-WILLED PERSONS ADULTERATE THE WORD OF GOD WHILE REVILING KING JESUS (2 PETER 2:9-10) BY THEIR THOUGHTS OF "I CHOSE JESUS" DESPISEDLY CONTRADICTING LORD JESUS SAYING "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU" (JOHN 15:16) AND "I CHOSE YOU OUT OF THE WORLD" (JOHN 15:19, INCLUDES SALVATION) AND "WHAT I SAY TO YOU I SAY TO ALL" (MARK 13:37).

Self-willed people run to the devil independent of God (see "self" in self-willed), and Lord Jesus says "you are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies" (John 8:44).

Jesus spoke of lying right there, and look here, you lied about Psalm 58:3 - as recorded in this post with your closing paragraph, you wickedly adulterate "The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go astray from birth" (Psalm 58:3) into your heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19) of "The wicked are not estranged from the womb; these who speak lies do not go astray from birth" (the word of Gilligan) which is the traditions of man that leads to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9), so you lied about Psalm 58:3.

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Revelation 22:17,
- And the Spirit and the bride say come and let him who hears say come, and let him who thrists say come. Whoever desires, let him take of the water of life freely.

Joshua 22:16,
- Thus says the whole congregation of the Lord: what treachery is this that you have commited against the God of Israel, to turn away this day from following the Lord, in that you have built for yourselves an altar, that you might rebel this day against the Lord?

Here Kermos would teach God made them first obey then turn against God.
No free will.
Therefore Kermos, his god may do the same to him in the future.
Cause him to turn away from following Jesus. Unfortunately he is not a follower of Jesus' gospel but for discussion sake I say this.
Kermos has no free will.
Once again no assurance in Kermos' religion.


Of course it was by their free will they chose to turn against God.
Therefore God is not gulity for their sin.

Deuteronomy 30:19,
- I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death,
blessing and cursing; therefore  choose life that both you and your descendants may live

Kermos' calvinism has God making all the choices for us.
Therefore God chooses death for some and life for some.
Calvinist god loves and hates based on nothing we do.

God may choose death for Kermos.
He has no choice in the matter.
He cannot love God by his own will.
God controls his love or turns his love into hate.

Calvinism is completely false.
God's will is to give us freewill to choose Him or the world.

"Free Moral Agency" was not the cause of Adam eating of the tree forbidden for food as shown in this post, so Adam did not free will choose away from God, and Adam certainly did not choose toward God; THEREFORE, YOU FREE-WILLIAN PHILOSOPHERS DECEIVE WHEN YOU SAY THAT MAN CAN CHOOSE TOWARDS GOD BASED UPON ADAM.

Man's "Will" In Scripture Related To The Creation Account​


Despite the Creation account in Genesis 1-3 being silent about man's "will", there exists Apostolic teaching on the matter of man's "will" with regard to the creation account.

Adam did not exercise willpower to disobey God's command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:16-17) for Paul wrote "the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly" (Romans 8:20, NASB); therefore, Adam did not make a choice, not a willing choice, to eat.

A "choice" by Adam is explicitly excluded by using scripture with scripture referencing, in fact, "the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly" (Romans 8:20, KJV), so Adam acted not willingly but rather acted subject to vanity in his eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

"Not willingly" indicates "not choice".

Some people may claim that Paul was referring to a timeframe exclusively after what they call "the fall" (after Adam ate of the tree [Genesis 3:6]), but the continuity of the passage of Romans 8:20-22 must be taken as a whole.

Paul left no room for disputing to the timeframe for which "not willingly" applies, for Paul also wrote "we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now" (Romans 8:22), and the phrase "until now" is the timeframe's most recent limiting factor which memes that all times prior to "now" are included, so "the whole creation" includes the moment after God breathed into Adam's nostrils the breath of life (Genesis 2:7) until Adam ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:6); therefore, we can be certain that Paul includes the timeframe that Adam ate of the tree in the travailing/groaning because Paul wrote of all of this in the same passage, i.e. Romans 8:20-22.

Presenting an event driven review of Paul's writing "the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now" (Romans 8:20-22) and the creation account and more recorded in Genesis:

  • See "until now" (Romans 8:22) indicates all time prior to the Apostle Paul for he wrote "the whole creation" (Romans 8:22), as in "the whole creation" "until now".
  • See the serpent was in the garden tempting Eve (Genesis 3:1-5) before Adam ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:6).
  • See "subjected to futility" (Romans 8:20) as the serpent's futility of lying to Eve with "You surely will not die" (Genesis 3:4) - before Adam or Eve ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:6), yet Adam and Eve died (Genesis 5:5, Genesis 7:21 none of mankind, besides the 8 [Genesis 7:7 and 1 Peter 3:20], survived the flood, so Eve had to be dead).
  • See "not willingly" (Romans 8:20) applies to Adam eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:6) for the Word of God specifically attributed the cause of Adam eating of the tree as "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'" (Genesis 3:17), so here God reveals for Adam the cause (listen to wife) and the effect (eat of tree); therefore, eating of the tree was "not willingly" (Romans 8:20).
Paul includes the "not willingly" (Romans 8:20-22) to apply to the time that Adam ate of the tree (Genesis 3:6).

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I just read this post, we won't be conversing any longer I don't think.

Much love!

marks, do you agree with Ernest T. Bass?

@Ernest T. Bass (1) ignores Philippians 2:12 relation to Philippians 2:13 where God works the will of believers to obey, (2) thinks "good" fruit by him is caused by him, yet we Christians know our good fruit is caused by God because it is fruit of the Spirit, (3) confuses what scripture states such as in Hebrews 3:12, and (4) didn't know why the Old Testament was written, and there is some about perseverance of the saints by God in the post, too.

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That's because they read about it from Mohammed.

But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

It's really quite simple, in your self-willed pride (2 Peter 2:9-10), you refuse to admit your error.

Let me explain based upon our interaction of a one who had not heard the Gospel of Christ.

You inquired "The old, 'what about them never heard?' Ever met one?".

To wit, I replied "Far down in your post, you asked if I have ever met anyone who had not heard the Gospel of Christ, and to answer, yes. For example, a muslim named Hamid.".

Then you "It's not possible for any Mulsim reading the Koran, to not have heard of Jesus Christ the Son of God. Muhammed teaches Jesus as a great prophet, and condemns anyone for believing He is the Son of God.".

Then I "You said it yourself, the Quran does not teach the Gospel of Christ.".

Instead of ceasing with that, you persist "That's because they read about it from Mohammed.".

Now, it is abundantly clear that Hamid did not hear the Gospel of Christ, but you fight just to fight. You failed to write something like "Oh, OK". You fight the Truth (John 14:6) tooth and nail with every fiber of you using your self-will (2 Peter 2:9-10) as shown in the following.

That is only my supposition as stated. It is evident Eve did not receive lust, until the serpent actually seduced her.

You did not qualify "The moment Adam allowed the serpent into the garden, that he was told to keep, is when Adam had lust in his own heart" as merely your "supposition", but you "stated" it "as" fact, Gilligan. And, in the next part of this post, you continue on as if your statement is fact.

True, however long he was lusting was the moment God knew He was doing so, even as the moment He saw the lust in Lucifer's heart.

However, only when we follow thru with the lust to do it, are we dead by the commandment.

And so the commandment of God not to eat of it, was not transgressed unto death, until he ate of it.

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

The Christ of us Christians says "No one is good except God alone" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 10:18), so Adam was not good.

Sin is crime against God, that is, missing the mark.

Adam did not sin prior to eating of forbidden as food because Adam had one commandment as recorded in "Of every tree of the garden eating thou dost eat; and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it — dying thou dost die" (Genesis 2:16-17).

Just because Adam did not sin prior to eating of the tree forbidden as food, and this is certain because of Christ's sayings.

Sin is distinguishable from good.

Sin is distinguishable from evil.

Sin is an action, a verb for communication purposes.

Good is a thing, a noun for communication purposes.

Evil is a thing, a noun for communication purposes.

Adam was not GOOD. Truly, Adam was EVIL prior to eating of the tree forbidden as food as evidenced by Adam's arm moving the tree forbidden for food toward Adam's mouth in order for Adam to eat.

Adam was evil before Adam sinned.

He did, for a season. So do many born again Christians, unless we also sin as Adam.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

By your doctrine of imparted will by God into man, that no man can resist, then no born again Christian would sin again in this life.

I've asked you several times, if are an example of that, and you fail to answer, which is your answer. You're own continued sinning in life proves your own doctrine of no free will for man, is false.

You illegitimately mix "sin", a verb, and "evil", a noun, into a single thing. Sin is the output of evil.

Man is evil, and sin manifests from evil man (see "every man" in the passage) as proclaimed in "every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death" (James 1:14-15). Oh, hey, you just mentioned this passage!

Lord Jesus left no exclusion for anyone at anytime with "No one is good except God alone" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 10:18), so Adam was evil. Although Adam did not sin for a season, eventually evil Adam did sin.

Sophistry

You used "Sophistry" in the negative sense in reference to the quotation of "God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day" (Genesis 1:31), and that is sin.

And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


The problem with preaching one's own gospel, is eventually the same one no longer reads the Bible to confirm anything they say. I've seen it many times, that such false teachers just keep on talking and talking, and then just say the opposite of Scripture.

Your doctrine is not based solely upon the written words of God, but also upon your own vain imagination. You really do think, that just because you believe something and say it, then that makes it so.

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

It is written "God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good" (Genesis 1:21 - notice "it" is singular meaning creation, not a plural "they" as in specific creatures in the waters), so God did not specify any constituents of creation as being inherently individually good therein; therefore, it is certainly good in reference to God's Plan of Redemption through the Christ for mankind before the foundation of the world.

It is written "God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good" (Genesis 1:21 - notice "it" is singular meaning creation, not a plural "they" as in specific beasts), so God did not specify any constituents of creation as being inherently individually good therein; therefore, it is certainly good in reference to God's Plan of Redemption through the Christ for mankind before the foundation of the world.

THEREFORE, THIS REMAINS TRUE:

An inherently good Adam would have assuredly and absolutely excluded eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil

BECAUSE an inherently good Adam would have acted in the good way of obedience to God's command (Genesis 2:16-17)

WITH the good way being God's Way (John 14:6)

YET "No one is good except God alone" (Mark 10:18)

AND it is written "God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day" (Genesis 1:31)

BEHOLD that God saw the whole package, the complete creation, the "all" that He had made, that it was very good

BUT God did not specify how the aggregate (all) that He had made was very good therein

AND God did not specify any constituents of creation as being inherently good therein

AND God creating "all that He had made" for God in Jesus Christ to come to earth to save evil man is very good

SO with certainty, God's Plan of Redemption through the Christ for mankind before the foundation of the world is very good

IN other words, if Adam was inherently good, then he could not have eaten from the tree the knowledge of good and evil

BECAUSE it would have been impossible for an inherently good Adam to disobey God's command of not eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil

SINCE an inherently good Adam would have been the embodiment of obedience of God's command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil

AND an inherently good Adam would have unquestionably refrained from eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil without him having the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:22)

THEREFORE an inherently good Adam would have done the opposite of good by eating of the tree the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:6)

SO an inherently good Adam would have unavoidably avoided eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

BUT there is none righteous, not one (Psalm 143:2, Romans 3:10)

AND there is none who does good, there is not even one (Psalm 53:3, Romans 3:12)

SO there was no inherently good Adam.

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True. Even better than the very good He makes all things in the beginning.

Your own continued sinning disproves your own philosophy.

You wrote "Your own continued sinning", yet you fail to point at a single sin for me.

It is written "God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day" (Genesis 1:31), but, based upon your quoted writings, you adulterate it into it is written "God saw all that He had made, and behold, individually Adam was inherently very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day" (the word of Gilligan), yet it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6), SO IN REALITY, YOU SIN VIA YOUR LIES ABOUT THE WORD OF GOD.

I've already challenged the rest of your stuff enough. You can keep repeating yourself if you wish. But once you run out of anything new to say, and continue to not acknowledged my challenges, then this will come to a dwindling end.

The Word of God is true, so anything that you wrote that you think you "challenged" is a lie, and here is the Word of God of which I write:
  • "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15 , the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage), yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (the word of Gilligan).
  • "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God chooses people unto salvation, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you chose me to get yourself out of the world and into the Kingdom of God" (the word of Gilligan) - compare your words to the Lord Jesus explaining that without the intervention of the Holy Spirit of Almighty God, you cannot even perceive the Kingdom of God righteously, much less King Jesus, with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
  • "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "What I say to you I say to you and only you" (the word of Gilligan).

Christians are in awe of the works of God and the Word of God. I am in awe of the works of God and the Word of God.

Christians do not adulterate the Word of God. You adulterate the Word of God into some strange beast such that it is no longer the Word of God but truly the word of Gilligan Free-willian philosophy.

You add to the Word of God, and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Of the new Jerusalem, the Apostle John wrote "nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27) - notice that no one who practices lying gets in, and a human adding to scripture is the human lying.

Your free will assertion is referring to man attempting to override God's thoughts with man's thoughts, and that is a grievous sin.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.
 
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