Victory in Jesus

[HIM]

Are you having issues getting past sin in your lfe? Have faith my friends. Jesus said in John 8, He that commits sin is a slave to it. But if He sets you free from it, free you are indeed. Paul speaks of this slavery and the freedom Jesus offers in Romans 7 and 8. He says In respect to the bondage, the evil that he wouldn't he does. And if he does what he doesn't want to, it isn't him, but the sin in him, even though he delights over the Law of God that is in his mind. He can't help himself.

He calls this dilemma a law in 7:21 and says it is the law of sin, and it has him in captivity in verse 23.

Then he pleads, oh wretched man that I am, who shall deliver me from this body of death! And then I’m respect to that he says, there is now no condemnation to us who are in Christ Jesus.

Why?

For the Spirit of the Life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the Law of sin so that the righteousness of the Law be fulfilled in us. Who walk after this Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and not after the flesh. For if we walk after the flesh we shall die. But if we through walking in the Spirit of the life in Christ Jesus mortify the deeds of the body we shall live.



So how are we set free from death?

By walking in the Spirit of the life in Christ Jesus mortifying the deeds of the body that the righteousness of the Law be fulfilled in us.

In respect to this, how much leaven leavens the whole?

What if we are only walking in part and not wholly?

 

[MatthewG]

I find it amazing how much people tear apart the Bible as though they can be just so profoundly perfect in their flesh… hope that they give credit to the Lord Jesus, … cause their flesh will always fail, Jesus can help them from falling into their flesh however, it’s only by and through him and never themselves… it really is quite amazing that people forget that even Paul had a problem in his flesh he couldn’t get rid of… but maybe some people in this world are far much better than Paul… who prayed three times but was told by the Lord “my grace is sufficient.”

 

[HIM]

I find it amazing how much people tear apart the Bible as though they can be just so profoundly perfect in their flesh… hope that they give credit to the Lord Jesus, … cause their flesh will always fail, Jesus can help them from falling into their flesh however, it’s only by and through him and never themselves… it really is quite amazing that people forget that even

Have faith, what is not of faith is of sin. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Through and in Christ all things are possible to them that believe.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Paul had a problem in his flesh he couldn’t get rid of… but maybe some people in this world are far much better than Paul… who prayed three times but was told by the Lord “my grace is sufficient.”

Not according to the Spirit through Paul. He had been set free from the Law of sin that the righteousness of the be fulfilled in us who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh. If you have issues with what is being shared address it with in the context of the passages cited.

The thorn in the flesh Paul speaks of is in another letter in a different context. It is not speaking of sin. It is speaking of an individual or a circumstance that is plaguing Paul. Many a commentator think it was a health issue. The fact that it says, a Messager of satan" makes it more likely it was an individual.

2Cor 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @HIM,

You can cut those scriptures up all day. It doesn't matter to me. No one knows what Pauls thorn was... he doesn't say it. So you're thought and opinion on this matter, is moot... if Paul never said what his thorn was. It was never addressed.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @HIM,

Sorry to stand so firm, but I am not sorry in a way...

You want to know what is amazing is that even in the failed flesh, acknowledging that it is the Lord Yeshua who even gets us to the Father in heaven is the key... through faith... its not our flesh that gets us to the Father in heaven... that is a false claim... so people whom have murdered, have had records in their lives, can be able to get to the Father in heaven through the Lord Yeshua... they still may have hateful thoughts, they may flip someone the bird or something, but ... they know its from their flesh and its not from the holy spirit, and they are able to talk to the Father in heaven... without people saying "You need to change! If you don't change then you are not one of Gods own!" I find it amazing the pompous attitudes that lay out here sometimes... as though you need to be perfect in the flesh to even be seen by Yahavah... Its utterly ridiculous.

People who follow the Lord Yeshua, are able to know they can as the Father for help by the holy spirit, but that doesn't mean their flesh is going to become flawless, they can overtime become less intune with their own ways as they die to it but it doesn't mean the flesh will not flare up again... it would be insensitive to suggest such a thing because it's completely false. The more spiritual person becomes in their maturity they will become mature through and in Christ, but their are those also whom are still "children or babes in Christ" as they are always bickering and things like that even with their own fellow brothers or sisters.

 

[HIM]

Hello @HIM,

You can cut those scriptures up all day. It doesn't matter to me. No one knows what Pauls thorn was... he doesn't say it. So you're thought and opinion on this matter, is moot... if Paul never said what his thorn was. It was never addressed.

Yet you shared the text from Corinthians as if he was speaking of sin. And then when shown It probably was not, you respond more subjectively than objectively. Are you ok?

Even in your next reply you don't address the text with anything other than subjective opinion. And that isn't even based on the text cited.

So with that fact take care.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @HIM,

That's the way of the holy spirit, in my opinion of course which is as you suggest. "Subjective." Should I go and teach my children all the laws of the Israelites and force it upon them as the scripture informs the reader, to "keep this going forever in instructing the children of Isreal concerning those laws." But never us today... Are you someone who really lives and does exactly everything bible suggest? I don't have to quote scripture to already remember what has been written and said concerning many differing things, my friend.

Anyway, I'll leave you be, and thank you for commenting back to me.

 

[HIM]

Hello @HIM,

That's the way of the holy spirit, in my opinion of course which is as you suggest. "Subjective."

No it isn't. It is your opinion. Which does not align with the passage in Romans 8

Should I go and teach my children all the laws of the Israelites and force it upon them as the scripture informs the reader, to "keep this going forever in instructing the children of Isreal concerning those laws." But never us today... Are you someone who really lives and does exactly everything bible suggest? I don't have to quote scripture to already remember what has been written and said concerning many differing things, my friend.

Anyway, I'll leave you be, and thank you for commenting back to me.

No you should read and understand the Bible before posting your opinion.

And you still are not addressing the passage.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @HIM,

The Holy Spirit allows harmony with the scripture, not disharmony. Many people like to cut and manipulate scriptures, it’s a good way to get a desired effect subjectively for themselves. It still doesn’t cut off from my first thought; Paul prayed three times for something to be drove out from him, but, it was not. I just hate that people aren’t able to just go verse by verse on here and actually get an understanding of all that content and context and just not the hear and there. The flesh causes discord, and the Holy Spirit causes peace and harmony. Perhaps many times I’ve stated my opinion.

However it is true that their is victory in Jesus, and he has had the victory over all things and continues to help people break the bonds of bondage of traditions, maybe a former lifestyle once lived and so on… but it doesn’t mean the flesh becomes perfect by any means.

I’m gonna go ahead and apologize for even coming in here to try to converse with you over these things as you just go with the target comment of “if it’s my opinion and not from scripture it doesn’t mean much!” You are totally correct everyone should search, seek and visit the scripture in the whole of itself and not just bits in pieces as that is one way to manipulate people and some people don’t even know it.

 

[HIM]

Hello @HIM,

The Holy Spirit allows harmony with the scripture, not disharmony. Many people like to cut and manipulate scriptures, it’s a good way to get a desired effect subjectively for themselves. It still doesn’t cut off from my first thought; Paul prayed three times for something to be drove out from him, but, it was not. I just hate that people aren’t able to just go verse by verse on here and actually get an understanding of all that content and context and just not the hear and there. The flesh causes discord, and the Holy Spirit causes peace and harmony. Perhaps many times I’ve stated my opinion.

However it is true that their is victory in Jesus, and he has had the victory over all things and continues to help people break the bonds of bondage of traditions, maybe a former lifestyle once lived and so on… but it doesn’t mean the flesh becomes perfect by any means.

I’m gonna go ahead and apologize for even coming in here to try to converse with you over these things as you just go with the target comment of “if it’s my opinion and not from scripture it doesn’t mean much!” You are totally correct everyone should search, seek and visit the scripture in the whole of itself and not just bits in pieces as that is one way to manipulate people and some people don’t even know it.

And you still have not addressed the passage within it's context.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @HIM, should we start here? Or before? Prior? This letter is the people at Corinth, the second letter chapter 12.

Paul’s Revelation

1I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to gain, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows. 3And I know that this man—whether in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows— 4was caught up to Paradise. The things he heard were too sacred for words, things that man is not permitted to tell.

Paul’s Thorn and God’s Grace

5I will boast about such a man, but I will not boast about myself, except in my weaknesses. 6Even if I wanted to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain, so no one will credit me with more than he sees in me or hears from me, 7or because of these surpassingly great revelations.

So to keep me from becoming conceited,a I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9But He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is perfected in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly in my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest on me. 10That is why, for the sake of Christ, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Paul’s Concern for the Corinthians

11I have become a fool, but you drove me to it. In fact, you should have commended me, since I am in no way inferior to those “super-apostles,” even though I am nothing. 12The true marks of an apostle—signs, wonders, and miracles—were performed among you with great perseverance. 13In what way were you inferior to the other churches, except that I was not a burden to you? Forgive me this wrong!

14See, I am ready to come to you a third time, and I will not be a burden, because I am not seeking your possessions, but you. For children should not have to save up for their parents, but parents for their children. 15And for the sake of your souls, I will most gladly spend my money and myself. If I love you more, will you love me less?

16Be that as it may, I was not a burden to you; but crafty as I am, I caught you by trickery. 17Did I exploit you by anyone I sent you? 18I urged Titus to visit you, and I sent our brother with him. Did Titus exploit you in any way? Did we not walk in the same Spirit and follow in the same footsteps?b

19Have you been thinking all along that we were making a defense to you? We speak before God in Christ, and all of this, beloved, is to build you up. 20For I am afraid that when I come, I may not find you as I wish, and you may not find me as you wish. I fear that there may be quarreling, jealousy, rage, rivalry, slander, gossip, arrogance, and disorder. 21I am afraid that when I come again, my God will humble me before you, and I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of their acts of impurity, sexual immorality, and debauchery.