Unitarianism vs Trinitarianism

[GEN2REV]

Our conversation is over.

Of course it is because, just like Rich R, you refuse to accept the teachings of Scripture.

Would you like to make your case for us that God CANNOT be everywhere at once? That God is not all-knowing, all-seeing and capable of doing anything, and being anywhere, that He wants at any given time?

Your declaration that God cannot raise God from the dead is 100% RELIANT on the belief that God CANNOT be multiple places at the same time.

Your idea of God is too small, and that is by design.

If you were to take all of Scripture, and all that is taught about God, into account, your belief in 'Father-Only-Oneness' would fall to pieces.

It is your pride ALONE that refuses to allow that.

And God HATES pride.

 

[RLT63]

That verse does not claim Jesus is God. That you have to resort to changing God's word to support your doctrine is the dead giveaway that it is false.

Make a Blessed Day.

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.
Did you notice that HE is in brackets? Do you know what that means? What does the verse say if you remove HE?
for except ye believe that I am, ye shall die in your sins.

 

[Wrangler]

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.
Did you notice that HE is in brackets? Do you know what that means? What does the verse say if you remove HE?
for except ye believe that I am, ye shall die in your sins.

I agree that the verse says believe that I am he. However, this is NOT a claim to deity. Rather, it is a reference to who Jesus explictly said he is, the son of God, his great “I am.” Mark 14:61-62 (VOICE)
High Priest: Are You God’s Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of the Blessed One?
Jesus: I am.

 

[Matthias]

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.
Did you notice that HE is in brackets? Do you know what that means? What does the verse say if you remove HE?
for except ye believe that I am, ye shall die in your sins.

My name is Jesus. I am the Messiah, the Son of God. I’m not the second person of the Trinity - a deity which isn’t the God of Israel.

 

[Matthias]

Of course it is because, just like Rich R, you refuse to accept the teachings of Scripture.

Would you like to make your case for us that God CANNOT be everywhere at once? That God is not all-knowing, all-seeing and capable of doing anything, and being anywhere, that He wants at any given time?

Your declaration that God cannot raise God from the dead is 100% RELIANT on the belief that God CANNOT be multiple places at the same time.

Your idea of God is too small, and that is by design.

If you were to take all of Scripture, and all that is taught about God, into account, your belief in 'Father-Only-Oneness' would fall to pieces.

It is your pride ALONE that refuses to allow that.

And God HATES pride.

You’ve united with the trinitarians, and they with you, against Jewish monotheism.

 

[MatthewG]

Love them both. Perhaps we can get a meal together, In Christ there is unity... to love.

 

[Matthias]

I respect your view.

Why do you, a trinitarian, respect his unitarian view?

What exactly is it about his unitarian view that you respect?

 

[Wrangler]

Why do you, a trinitarian, respect his unitarian view?

What exactly is it about his unitarian view that you respect?

The reason he respects @GEN2REV view is because the real passion for the trinity is the man-is-god thesis.

 

[marks]

Some here assert that all humans become God via the perversion of the Oneness Doctrine.

I haven't seen anyone say that, you have? This surprises me!

Much love!

 

[Matthias]

The reason he respects @GEN2REV view is because the real passion for the trinity is the man-is-god thesis.

There are two ways in theology that man is God: literally and figuratively.

Trinitarianism and unitarianism can, but doesn’t always, unite on the former.

 

[Wrangler]

I haven't seen anyone say that, you have? This surprises me!

Much love!

Yea. Check out some of ScottA’s posts.

 

[marks]

Yea. Check out some of ScottA’s posts.

Anyone other than @ScottA ?

Much love!

 

[Matthias]

Love them both. Perhaps we can get a meal together, In Christ there is unity... to love.

Love and a meal are fine, but uniting around a false Christ is to be avoided.

 

[MatthewG]

Love and a meal are fine, but uniting around a false Christ is to be avoided.

Oh. To heck with those people who are lost then?

 

[RLT63]

You’ve united with the trinitarians, and they with you, against Jewish monotheism.

I don't know if I consider myself against anyone. I just present my view and you can take it or leave it. I get defensive sometimes and come across wrong but that is my flesh. As you've gone to show dialogue is better than debate.

 

[marks]

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.
Did you notice that HE is in brackets? Do you know what that means? What does the verse say if you remove HE?
for except ye believe that I am, ye shall die in your sins.

For those who maintain we should insert "he", I am he, you have to answer the same question they asked Jesus,

John 8:24-25 KJV
24) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
25) Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

Either Jesus said, Unless you believe I AM, in which case, we know Who He means,

or,

Jesus said, Unless you believe I am he, in which case, Unless you believe Jesus is whom exactly?

When He said this, "unless you believe that I am", they asked, "who are you?"

Adding "he" in this cases leaves us with an pronoun that lacks an antecedant. Leaving it out gives us a full and complete thought.

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

Anyone other than @ScottA ?

Much love!

I recall others but not their screen name. (I try to block it from my memory. :-)

 

[marks]

Oh. To heck with those people who are lost then?

He eats with sinners!!!!

 

[marks]

I recall others but not their screen name. (I try to block it from my memory. :)

I'm just curious whether they will confirm your statement.

Much love!

 

[Matthias]

The basic reason it is not taught is that it reinforces a fact trinitarians want to deny; that it was not the theology of the Apostles.

It evolved violently over centuries as the Roman Empire of the West spread into Pagan mystics.

To say there is one God in 3 persons is to pervert the meaning of one God.

Some here assert that all humans become God via the perversion of the Oneness Doctrine. That equates monotheism with pantheism. It equates unequal things.

Most of the trinitarian pastor’s I’ve spoken with were aware of the history. They remain trinitarian without denying the historical facts about the doctrine. The average trinitarian isn’t aware of the history and doesn’t care anything about it.

Scenario: Trinitarian pastor who knows the history is financially compensated by the average trinitarian who doesn’t know the history, doesn’t care about the history, and doesn’t come to church to learn about the history.

Why does the trinitarian pastor not teach the history of the doctrine of the Trinity?