Unitarianism vs Trinitarianism

[RLT63]

LOL In post #67, I gave for reasons to oppose trinitarianism. Sometimes I focus on one answer or another, never claiming to give a comprehensive answer. Scripture says explicitly that Jesus is the son of god. That's good enough for me. It does not say he is God. Why is that not good enough for you?

You said the verse was not about seeing God then you said Jesus was not in the verse now you want to make an issue because it says Jesus is of God. Make up your mind. Jesus is of God the same way the Holy Spirit is of God

 

[Wrangler]

Objection 2: The doctrine of the Trinity is derived from paganism.

Given the man-made doctrine of the trinity did not get formalized until the 5th century, it explains that it took centuries for paganism to contaminate Christianity. IF the trinity were not pagan, it would be in Scripture as I noted above.

 

[RLT63]

Is it true that the only denomination that rejects the trinity is JW?

No

 

[Wrangler]

Make up your mind.

LOL There are many ways to explain why the claim 1 ≠ 3 is wrong.

Jesus is of God the same way the Holy Spirit is of God

And the same way Angels are of God. Only the Father is God according the Scripture. Why is this not good enough for you?

 

[Wrangler]

No

Then why do you credit only JW for rejecting the inherently contradictory doctrine?

 

[RLT63]

Strawman. To be clear, when I write that the trinity is not found anywhere in Scripture, I mean that neither the word nor the concept of the trinity is explicitly in the Bible. To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever.

And Romans 10:9 is not a proof text for Unitarianism

 

[Wrangler]

And Romans 10:9 is not a proof text for Unitarianism

LOL Every single verse that refers to God - in his unitarian nature - rather than F, S & HS is juxtapositional proof text of unitarianism. See 1 COR 11:3. It is not the Father who is the head of Christ but God - in his unitarian nature. This means nothing to you.

 

[Matthias]

I’m making a point - King David - to someone who unwisely takes me for a fool. It’s temporary. (The avatar. We’ll see about the condition of the unwise person.)

No change. Prognosis: terminal.

 

[RLT63]

Then why do you credit only JW for rejecting the inherently contradictory doctrine?

The post is about JWs but you are welcome to educate yourself

 

[RLT63]

LOL Every single verse that refers to God - in his unitarian nature - rather than F, S & HS is juxtapositional proof text of unitarianism. See 1 COR 11:3. It is not the Father who is the head of Christ but God - in his unitarian nature. This means nothing to you.

And you deny scripture that plainly shows the deity of Christ John 1:18 NASB 20 The most accurate translation. See what it says. John 1 :: New American Standard Bible 2020 (NASB20)

 

[Matthias]

“Unitarianism as a theological movement began much earlier in history; indeed it antedated Trinitarianism by many decades. Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian. The road from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth-century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”

(”Unitarianism,” Encyclopedia Americana, 1956, Vol. 27, p. 294L)

Walk on by or verify?

 

[RLT63]

“Unitarianism as a theological movement began much earlier in history; indeed it antedated Trinitarianism by many decades. Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian. The road from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth-century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”

(”Unitarianism,” Encyclopedia Americana, 1956, Vol. 27, p. 294L)

Walk on by or verify?

The word Trinity is not found in the Bible

 

[Matthias]

The word Trinity is not found in the Bible

Trinitarians aren’t found in the Bible.

Tertullian early has a powerful argument against Marcion.

 

[RLT63]

Trinitarians aren’t found in the Bible.

Tertullian early has a powerful argument against Marcion.

John 1 :: New American Standard Bible 2020 (NASB20)

 

[Matthias]

John 1 :: New American Standard Bible 2020 (NASB20)

Tertullian will make you cry.

 

[RLT63]

Tertullian will make you cry.

Montanism - Wikipedia

 

[Matthias]

Montanism - Wikipedia

Will you now appeal to Montanism to support trinitarianism?

 

[RLT63]

Will you now appeal to Montanism to support trinitarianism?

No. Tertullian subscribed to Montanism. He is mentioned in the article and reading about him mentions his belief in Montanism

 

[Matthias]

No.

I think that’s a wise decision but it’s inconsistent with appealing to Tertullian to begin with.

Tertullian subscribed to Montanism. He is mentioned in the article and reading about him mentions his belief in Montanism

No doubt about it.

 

[Matthias]

“Unitarianism as a theological movement began much earlier in history; indeed it antedated Trinitarianism by many decades. Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian. The road from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth-century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”

(”Unitarianism,” Encyclopedia Americana, 1956, Vol. 27, p. 294L)

Walk on by or verify?

Unitarianism always prevails when the criteria is the constraints of history.