Understanding the The 1000 Year Millennium in Prophecy

[tailgator]

Sounds, wild. I believe Jesus already came faithfully, so I mean these worries don't concern me personally. I know one day I will die. The hour and the day. Unsure, but I trust God. No matter what happens.

Nothing wild about it.
The Sabbath approaches and prophecies are being fulfilled. The is what you should be watching.All the prophecies that take place before his coming That's what they are for.

 

[MatthewG]

Okay, if you believe so. You have a good night, tailgator.

 

[tailgator]

Okay, if you believe so. You have a good night, tailgator.

Goodnight

 

[Keraz]

You both forgot Johnboy!

But the understanding of the Millennium, is simple: When Jesus Returns; confirmed as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, He will reign over a world without any Satanic influence, a perfect habitation for humans, who will live for much longer and be peaceful and prosperous, for the next thousand years. It will be His reward and the Sabbath rest for the earth.

Any notions that we are in the Millennium now, or there will be no Millennium, directly contradict much scripture and are totally illogical.

 

[Hobie]

Do you reject the resurrection of Jesus Christ? Is it not the first resurrection?

It is the resurrection of the just, God's sleeping saints in the grave, and they along with saints alive on earth are taken up to the heavenly kingdom. It's in the Bible, clear and simple..

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings Hobie,

It is the resurrection of the just, God's sleeping saints in the grave, and they along with saints alive on earth are taken up to the heavenly kingdom. It's in the Bible, clear and simple..

The 1000 year Kingdom of God will be upon the earth. It's in the Bible, clear and simple:
Isaiah 2:1-4 (KJV): 1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Zechariah 14:16 (KJV): And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Hobie]

There are only 2 places that talk about the first resurrection, both being in Revelation 20. It doesn't say anywhere, including in Acts 26:23, that Jesus was the first resurrection. As you pointed out, he was the firstborn from the dead (Col 1:18), the firstfruits (1 Cor 15:20), and the first begotten from the dead (Rev 1:5). But none of those are the resurrection mentioned in Revelation 20. That resurrection occurs after some incredibly horrific events that have yet to occur. It would take a monumental stretch of the imagination to suggest they have. But it would take an unfathomably stretch of imagination to suggest they occurred before Jesus was raised from the dead. Being raised from the dead is not the first resurrection. If that were the case, then the people raised from the dead in the OT and during Jesus' life would actually be the first, second, etc. resurrection.

When Christ comes at the Second Coming is the First Ressurection of the just or saints, and He takes them to heaven. Satan is left the dead wicked who were slain by the brightness of Christ glory so the devil has no one to tempt. After the thousand year after the saints have looked at the books in heaven and seen that God is just, then they come down in the New Jerusalem and the Second Resurrection occurs which wakes up the unjust or wicked for their punishment. Satan tries to use them against the city with the saints but fire comes down and cosumes them in a lake of fire in what is a second death, and they cease to exist along with the devil and sin..

 

[ewq1938]

When Christ comes at the Second Coming is the First Ressurection of the just or saints, and He takes them to heaven. Satan is left the dead wicked who were slain by the brightness of Christ glory so the devil has no one to tempt. After the thousand year after the saints have looked at the books in heaven and seen that God is just, then they come down in the New Jerusalem and the Second Resurrection occurs which wakes up the unjust or wicked for their punishment. Satan tries to use them against the city with the saints but fire comes down and cosumes them in a lake of fire in what is a second death, and they cease to exist along with the devil and sin..

NJ is never upon this old Earth so you have that out of order plus most of what you have said is also not correct. It does not match the scriptural timeline of Rev 20-21.

 

[Hobie]

Greetings Hobie,

The 1000 year Kingdom of God will be upon the earth. It's in the Bible, clear and simple:
Isaiah 2:1-4 (KJV): 1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Zechariah 14:16 (KJV): And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Kind regards
Trevor

God's saints have been promise a mansion in heaven, and Christ is coming to take them there, this is a core Christian belief and Christ confirmed it..

 

[Keraz]

God's saints have been promise a mansion in heaven, and Christ is coming to take them there, this is a core Christian belief and Christ confirmed it..

A core belief in the escapist and rapture theory Churchs, not for those who understand God purposes for mankind.

The new Jerusalem, wherein the faithful righteous peoples will live, comes to the earth; after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7

 

[ewq1938]

When Christ comes at the Second Coming is the First Ressurection of the just or saints, and He takes them to heaven.

No, he doesn't. The clouds is as high as they ever go. Christ will descend and be seen at Armageddon and so will his army of saints and angels. There is nothing in the bible about Christ taking any of these from the clouds further "up" to the third heaven. Christ will rule in the midst of his enemies as scripture says and those enemies are on the Earth. The reign is on the Earth as Rev 5 declares.

 

[ewq1938]

God's saints have been promise a mansion in heaven, and Christ is coming to take them there, this is a core Christian belief and Christ confirmed it..

People die and go to heaven, to that mansion but when Christ returns, that ends. No saved Christian will die anymore, will not go to heaven anymore, and they and Christ will rule over the Earthly nations as found in Rev 19-20.

 

[Hobie]

A core belief in the escapist and rapture theory Churchs, not for those who understand God purposes for mankind.

The new Jerusalem, wherein the faithful righteous peoples will live, comes to the earth; after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7

Read your Bible and you will see what Christ declares..

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Hobie,

God's saints have been promise a mansion in heaven, and Christ is coming to take them there, this is a core Christian belief and Christ confirmed it..

The word “mansion” usually conveys the idea of a large, luxurious dwelling and most modern translations have changed this word to “rooms” or “dwelling places”.
John 14:2 (NASB95): “In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:2 (NIV84): In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
John 14:2 (ESV): In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?

The phrase “my Father’s house” is not speaking of a house in heaven, but the following shows that it speaks of God’s spiritual house, composed of Jesus and the faithful:
Hebrews 3:1–6 (KJV): 1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; 2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. 3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. 4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God. 5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; 6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Jesus was not going to heaven to prepare a mansion, rooms or dwelling place for the Apostles and believers:
John 14:2–3 (KJV): 2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Jesus was going to be crucified, and by his perfect sacrifice he was this preparing the way for the believers.

The phrase “where I am” is not particularly speaking of physical location but speaks of spiritual status:
John 12:23–26 (KJV): 23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. 25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. 26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

As far as a physical house is concerned, it will be the Temple in Jerusalem on earth during the 1000 year reign of Jesus on the Temple Throne of David during the Kingdom of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Hobie]

NJ is never upon this old Earth so you have that out of order plus most of what you have said is also not correct. It does not match the scriptural timeline of Rev 20-21.

Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[Hobie]

Greetings again Hobie,

The word “mansion” usually conveys the idea of a large, luxurious dwelling and most modern translations have changed this word to “rooms” or “dwelling places”.
John 14:2 (NASB95): “In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:2 (NIV84): In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
John 14:2 (ESV): In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?

The phrase “my Father’s house” is not speaking of a house in heaven, but the following shows that it speaks of God’s spiritual house, composed of Jesus and the faithful:
Hebrews 3:1–6 (KJV): 1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; 2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. 3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. 4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God. 5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; 6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Jesus was not going to heaven to prepare a mansion, rooms or dwelling place for the Apostles and believers:
John 14:2–3 (KJV): 2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Jesus was going to be crucified, and by his perfect sacrifice he was this preparing the way for the believers.

The phrase “where I am” is not particularly speaking of physical location but speaks of spiritual status:
John 12:23–26 (KJV): 23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. 25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. 26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

As far as a physical house is concerned, it will be the Temple in Jerusalem on earth during the 1000 year reign of Jesus on the Temple Throne of David during the Kingdom of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

Gods Word tells us what will happen to this earth...

2 Peter 3:7
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 3:13
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Hobie,

Gods Word tells us what will happen to this earth...
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 3:13
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Yes, but this is figurative language speaking about the fiery judgements that were about to be unleashed on Judah and Jerusalem in AD 70, and they also depict the fiery judgements that will occur to this earth at the return of Jesus. This does not speak of utter destruction, as the overall effect of the return of Jesus upon the earth will be times of refreshing and restoration, and Jesus will no longer be in heaven for the 1000 years:
Acts 3:19-21 (KJV): 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

The New Heavens and the New Earth relate to the establishment of the Kingdom of God upon the earth at the beginning of the 1000 years and there will be mortal individuals on the earth during this 1000 years, while the faithful will be immortal and also upon the earth.
Revelation 5:9-10 (KJV): 9 And they sang a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open the seals thereof: for you were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And have made us unto our God a kingdom and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
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Isaiah 65:17-23 (KJV): 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be glad and rejoice forever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20 There shall be no more there an infant of days, nor an old man that has not fulfilled his days: for the child shall die a hundred years old; but the sinner being a hundred years shall be accursed. 21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. 22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and my elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. 23 They shall not labor in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the descendants of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Never is NJ upon the old Earth. You would know that if you bothered to include Rev 21:1. When a person's beliefs do not match scripture and they are shown this, this is the opportunity God provides you to reject the incorrect beliefs. If one keeps the incorrect beliefs and rejects the correction scripture offers, then that person is left to their chosen fate.,

 

[Rich R]

When Christ comes at the Second Coming is the First Ressurection of the just or saints, and He takes them to heaven. Satan is left the dead wicked who were slain by the brightness of Christ glory so the devil has no one to tempt. After the thousand year after the saints have looked at the books in heaven and seen that God is just, then they come down in the New Jerusalem and the Second Resurrection occurs which wakes up the unjust or wicked for their punishment. Satan tries to use them against the city with the saints but fire comes down and cosumes them in a lake of fire in what is a second death, and they cease to exist along with the devil and sin..

Good stuff. The only thing I might suggest is that Rev 20:15 doesn't really say that all the folks in the 2nd resurrection are evil. Only the ones, "whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire." I would think that would indicate that some folks in that resurrection are found in the book of life. It might include the proverbial native in the Amazon who never heard of Jesus and yet led a relatively good life. Jesus will make the judgment on that.

 

[ewq1938]

Good stuff. The only thing I might suggest is that Rev 20:15 doesn't really say that all the folks in the 2nd resurrection are evil. Only the ones, "whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire." I would think that would indicate that some folks in that resurrection are found in the book of life.

All the saved took part in the first resurrection. Those of the second resurrection are called the DEAD even though they had been resurrected meaning they are the unsaved dead, still dead though risen from the dead...ie: spiritually dead. No one who is in the book of life are being judged there.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.