True or not? God is Jesus, but Jesus isn’t God.

[David in NJ]

Christ must be within us. This is the Torah, because Jesus himself was the living Torah. We must reproduce the law within ourselves, acting in life as Jesus Christ would act in our place. Therefore, we must take the Scripture within ourselves, assimilate it, become doers of the word, and not just listeners. Build the Third Temple, enter the eastern gate, build the city of Yahweh Shammah. Thus the word of God will again become flesh, incarnate in Israel. This will be the Second Coming of Christ.

Christ must be within us.

ABSOLUTELY TRUE

This is the Torah, because Jesus himself was the living Torah.

ABSOLUTELY TRUE

We must reproduce the law within ourselves,

ABSOLUTELY FALSE

It is Elohim Ruah HaKodesh who writes His Law within us.
Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.

But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Therefore, we must take the Scripture within ourselves, assimilate it, become doers of the word, and not just listeners.

ABSOLUTELY TRUE

Build the Third Temple,

Elohim FATHER is Building the 3rd Temple which is His SON and all who belong to YAHshua = 1 Peter 2:1-10

Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also,
as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,

“Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”
Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,

“The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,”
and

“A stone of stumbling
And a rock of offense.”
They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

 

[Scott Downey]

All this 3rd temple talk, people seem to fail to realize, it will be a place where the antichrist will sit and proclaim himself god.
The entire temple system as a building with animal sacrifices, God did away with. Christ put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
His people are the temple now, not any building.

The Great Apostasy​

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the [d]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [e]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Galgal]

51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

In the eastern gate of the Third Temple built in the Judean Desert, according to the prophecy of Ezekiel, from Yom Teruah to Yom Kippur, from the 1st to the 10th day of the 7th month of Tishrei, from the 6th to the 7th trumpet, people will enter, men and women, the glory of the Lord, the messengers of the churches, "the full number of the Gentiles", "the elect from the four winds", "the Philadelphia church" of Revelation. On Yom Kippur, these gates will be closed forever and it will be announced that the Lord God of Israel has entered them (Ezekiel 44:2). The moment of closing the eastern gate will be that very "twinkling of an eye" when the status of the people who entered these gates will change: they will become the incarnation of Jesus Christ at the Second Coming.



Resurrection is not individual, but common. The result will be one people of God, Israel. Israel will be the incarnation of Jesus Christ at the Second Coming.

For Jesus to die, He had to die on the cross.

For the city of Yahweh Shammah to come into being, the saints must sacrifice themselves to God by entering the eastern gate and becoming Jews.

 

[Galgal]

ABSOLUTELY FALSE

It is Elohim Ruah HaKodesh who writes His Law within us.
Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.

But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

The law is in the saints. Not in Christians in general, but in specific people who fulfill Matthew 5-6-7. These saints fulfill the law.

Those who do not fulfill the law are called lawless.

The saints who fulfill the commandments of Jesus Christ will enter the eastern gate of the Third Temple and Jesus Christ will be incarnate in them at the Second Coming.

Those who remain outside can say as much as they want that they have the law in their hearts, but this is not so. Because those who have the law in their hearts cannot be opponents of the incarnation of the Word of God, written in their Bible.

 

[David in NJ]

The law is in the saints. Not in Christians in general, but in specific people who fulfill Matthew 5-6-7. These saints fulfill the law.

Those who do not fulfill the law are called lawless.

The saints who fulfill the commandments of Jesus Christ will enter the eastern gate of the Third Temple and Jesus Christ will be incarnate in them at the Second Coming.

Those who remain outside can say as much as they want that they have the law in their hearts, but this is not so. Because those who have the law in their hearts cannot be opponents of the incarnation of the Word of God, written in their Bible.

No one can fulfill the Law except MESSIAH.

MESSIAH is the Temple of Elohim and only Blood Washed saints are permitted in.

We who love the LORD keep His New Covenant commandments

 

[Galgal]

No one can fulfill the Law except MESSIAH.

MESSIAH is the Temple of Elohim and only Blood Washed saints are permitted in.

We who love the LORD keep His New Covenant commandments

Those who love the Lord fulfill the word of God. The word of God, written in the Bible, commands us to build the Third Temple, we will build it. Those who love the Lord will enter the eastern gate of the Temple. Then, the rest of the churches, the "five wise virgins", will join them.

 

[David in NJ]

Those who love the Lord fulfill the word of God. The word of God, written in the Bible, commands us to build the Third Temple, we will build it. Those who love the Lord will enter the eastern gate of the Temple. Then, the rest of the churches, the "five wise virgins", will join them.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The WORD Says: "“If you love Me, keep My commandments."

There is only One TEMPLE of Elohim and YAHshua is Both the Cornerstone and the Cap Stone

There is only One TEMPLE of Elohim and it consists of Jews & Gentiles who are in MESSIAH = LIVING Stones

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the Whole Building/Temple, being fitted together, grows into a Holy Temple in the Lord,
in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

 

[Galgal]

There is only One TEMPLE of Elohim and it consists of Jews & Gentiles who are in MESSIAH = LIVING Stones

And this temple will be assembled in Israel. First, the saints will enter the eastern gate of the Third Temple. Then, having united with the Jews and other believers from the nations, they will build the city of Yahweh Shammah in Israel.

 

[Scott Downey]

In the eastern gate of the Third Temple built in the Judean Desert, according to the prophecy of Ezekiel, from Yom Teruah to Yom Kippur, from the 1st to the 10th day of the 7th month of Tishrei, from the 6th to the 7th trumpet, people will enter, men and women, the glory of the Lord, the messengers of the churches, "the full number of the Gentiles", "the elect from the four winds", "the Philadelphia church" of Revelation. On Yom Kippur, these gates will be closed forever and it will be announced that the Lord God of Israel has entered them (Ezekiel 44:2). The moment of closing the eastern gate will be that very "twinkling of an eye" when the status of the people who entered these gates will change: they will become the incarnation of Jesus Christ at the Second Coming.

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Resurrection is not individual, but common. The result will be one people of God, Israel. Israel will be the incarnation of Jesus Christ at the Second Coming.

For Jesus to die, He had to die on the cross.

For the city of Yahweh Shammah to come into being, the saints must sacrifice themselves to God by entering the eastern gate and becoming Jews.

So we go back to Judaism. Oh boy... no one can help you. Trying to rebuild what God has torn down. We are now New Covenant people.
Only people who turned their back on Christ are going to build a 3rd temple and worship the dragon.


18 So the Jews answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?”

19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”

 

[Galgal]

So we go back to Judaism. Oh boy... no one can help you. Trying to rebuild what God has torn down. We are now New Covenant people.
Only people who turned their back on Christ are going to build a 3rd temple and worship the dragon.


18 So the Jews answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?”

19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”

The Bible says something completely different. The man of sin replaced God in the temple of the living God: the false Jesus, whose false Christmas is celebrated in winter, replaced the real Jesus, whose birth according to the Bible was in the fall, on the 8th day of the 7th month of Tishrei. And in the Third Temple, described in the prophecy of Ezekiel, there will never be any apostasy from God, it will be God's Temple from the moment of the consecration of the altar and forever. To understand this, it is enough to read the last 9 chapters of the book of the prophet Ezekiel.

Why do you repeat the slander that comes from the mouth of the beast from the earth? Turn to God and the Bible.

 

[Lizbeth]

You are absolutely right when you think that building the Temple will be a terrible temptation for many. But think also about how terrible the temptation for the Jews in the 1st century was the First Coming of Jesus Christ. Every Jew knew from childhood that God is NOT a man. And suddenly a man appears whom we must consider the Son of God. At the same time, all the leaders, rabbis and scribes, deny that Jesus is the Messiah. What was it like for a simple Jew to go against all the leaders? Excommunication from the synagogue meant exile, loss of property, and possibly death.

But now the situation has become symmetrical for testing Christians. God DELIBERATELY made Christian leaders reject the possibility of building the Third Temple. And God DELIBERATELY will make Jewish leaders this time accept the idea of building the Temple, described in Ezekiel:

In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.
And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the Lord of hosts their God.
(Zechariah 12:4:5)

Here, the “inhabitants of Jerusalem” are the inhabitants not of the earthly, but of the Heavenly Jerusalem, who believe in Jesus Christ.

I can list for you many temptations that will be for Christians.

1. Why is God returning the material Temple, is this not apostasy?
2. Why will there be animal sacrifices in the Temple? Do we need any more sacrifices after the Sacrifice of Christ?
3. Who are these people who will enter the eastern gate of the Temple? Maybe they are false Christs and false prophets? Why should we go somewhere to Christ in the Judean desert, did He not tell us that we should not run to where they will say that Christ is there?
4. Why do those who entered the eastern gate circumcise themselves? Doesn't this violate what is said in Galatians 5:2?
5. Why will one man sit in the inner hall of the eastern gate, opposite the Temple? Will this not be the "man of sin" in God's Temple?
6. Why is the fire on the altar lit by the sun's rays reflected from a concave mirror located on the top of the Tabernacle, isn't this "he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men" - Revelation 13:13?

To answer these questions correctly, a Christian needs to have personal contact with God, have the spirit of truth, receive personal answers from God, and God can only answer if a person has no idols before Him.

If a Christian does not understand that the "man of sin" can sit in the "temple of the living God," if a person is already sure that his Christian denomination is sinless because it is written that "the gates of hell shall not prevail" against the Church, then he will look for the "man of sin" in the Third Temple. Such a Christian confuses his denomination with the Church, not understanding that there is a difference between the nominal religious structure and the spiritual structure of the Body of Christ.



Also, many Christians do not realize that the Law of Moses was never abolished for the Jews. The fact that Jewish communities in Christianity disappeared in the first centuries of Christianity made Christians forget that the apostles themselves visited the Temple and never taught against the Temple and against the decrees of the Law of Moses. The Gentile Christians still had the Sermon on the Mount of Jesus Christ, which in its demands on us exceeded the demands of the Law of Moses, so the Gentiles had something to do, working on themselves.

Couple of problems with this is that we are told in the bible that Jesus gathers the church to Himself at His coming, where we will “meet Him in the air”, not a physical Temple, and that this world and everything in it burns up at His coming. The bible says He is coming to be “glorified in His saints” as we are His temple. The Ezekiel temple is an allegory for spiritual realities to come (“He speaks to us in parables” is a key to understanding, and the Lord changes not.) And we are told to compare spiritual with spiritual because God doesn’t speak to us with human/earthly wisdom. We are to seek those things which are ABOVE.

Also I believe the temptation to the church will be much that same as it was to the first century Jews.....to accept someone who comes in his own name, a fleshly king, over a heavenly one, as Jesus prophesied they would. And to seek an earthly utopia, instead of what is heavenly/new. Those things all happened unto Israel for ensamples and admonition to the church. Including 70AD and everything that led up to it.

The ordinances of the Law were nailed to the cross….the old covenant is finished as far as God is concerned. “What is old and obsolete is fading away.” (Though as far as I know, I don’t think it is sin for unbelieving Jews to keep the biblical Law, it’s not wrong in itself to live a clean life etc, and since it may yet “tutor them to Christ”.) But as it says in Galations, for believers to become Law keepers would represent a fall from grace and what that implies.

Looks like we are seeing these things from opposite viewpoints.

 

[Lizbeth]

Christ must be within us. This is the Torah, because Jesus himself was the living Torah. We must reproduce the law within ourselves, acting in life as Jesus Christ would act in our place. Therefore, we must take the Scripture within ourselves, assimilate it, become doers of the word, and not just listeners. Build the Third Temple, enter the eastern gate, build the city of Yahweh Shammah. Thus the word of God will again become flesh, incarnate in Israel. This will be the Second Coming of Christ.

We as His church only have to do with the substance, ie, heavenly realities, not the types and shadows. Scripture does not teach that the Word of God will become flesh again, it implies the opposite......we are NOT to believe and follow those who say lo here He is or lo there in any fixed physical location.

 

[Johann]

So we go back to Judaism. Oh boy... no one can help you. Trying to rebuild what God has torn down. We are now New Covenant people.
Only people who turned their back on Christ are going to build a 3rd temple and worship the dragon.


18 So the Jews answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?”

19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”

Was waiting for this-spot on.

J.

 

[Scott Downey]

Couple of problems with this is that we are told in the bible that Jesus gathers the church to Himself at His coming, where we will “meet Him in the air”, not a physical Temple, and that this world and everything in it burns up at His coming. The bible says He is coming to be “glorified in His saints” as we are His temple. The Ezekiel temple is an allegory for spiritual realities to come (“He speaks to us in parables” is a key to understanding, and the Lord changes not.) And we are told to compare spiritual with spiritual because God doesn’t speak to us with human/earthly wisdom. We are to seek those things which are ABOVE.

Also I believe the temptation to the church will be much that same as it was to the first century Jews.....to accept someone who comes in his own name, a fleshly king, over a heavenly one, as Jesus prophesied they would. And to seek an earthly utopia, instead of what is heavenly/new. Those things all happened unto Israel for ensamples and admonition to the church. Including 70AD and everything that led up to it.

The ordinances of the Law were nailed to the cross….the old covenant is finished as far as God is concerned. “What is old and obsolete is fading away.” (Though as far as I know, I don’t think it is sin for unbelieving Jews to keep the biblical Law, it’s not wrong in itself to live a clean life etc, and since it may yet “tutor them to Christ”.) But as it says in Galations, for believers to become Law keepers would represent a fall from grace and what that implies.

Looks like we are seeing these things from opposite viewpoints.

Keeping the law of Moses included the sacrifices.
The early church fought with the Judaizers over that very thing, keeping the law.

Acts 15

1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.

3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, describing the conversion of the Gentiles; and they caused great joy to all the brethren. 4 And when they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders; and they reported all things that God had done with them. 5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

The Jerusalem Council​

6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, [a]acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus [b]Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”

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The Judaizers were a faction of the Jewish Christians, both of Jewish and non-Jewish origins, who regarded the Levitical laws of the Old Testament as still binding on all Christians.[1] They tried to enforce Jewish circumcision upon the Gentile converts to early Christianity and were strenuously opposed and criticized for their behavior by the Apostle Paul, who employed many of his epistles to refute their doctrinal positions.[1][2][3][4]

The term is derived from the Koine Greek word Ἰουδαΐζειν (Ioudaizein),[5] used once in the Greek New Testament (Galatians 2:14),[6] when Paul publicly challenged the Apostle Peter for compelling Gentile converts to early Christianity to "judaize".[7][8] This episode is known as the incident at Antioch.

Most Christians believe that much of the Old Covenant has been superseded, and many believe it has been completely abrogated and replaced by the Law of Christ.[9] The Christian debate over judaizing began in the lifetime of the apostles, notably at the Council of Jerusalem and the incident at Antioch.[2][3] It has been carried on parallel to continuing debates about Paul the Apostle and Judaism, Protestant views of the Ten Commandments, and Christian ethics.

 

[Scott Downey]

As you can read, there are still people doing the same thing the apostles condemned 2000 years ago.
The millennial temple they say will be built and have animal sacrifices again according to Ezekiel.

Galatians 2
1 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and also took Titus with me. 2 And I went up [a]by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain. 3 Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. 4 And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage), 5 to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

6 But from those who seemed to be something—whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God [b]shows personal favoritism to no man—for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me. 7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter 8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), 9 and when James, [c]Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 10 They desired only that we should remember the poor, the very thing which I also was eager to do.

No Return to the Law​

11 Now when [d]Peter had come to Antioch, I [e]withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing [f]those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, [g]why do you compel Gentiles to live as [h]Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not [i]justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not!

18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died [j]in vain.”

 

[Galgal]

Couple of problems with this is that we are told in the bible that Jesus gathers the church to Himself at His coming, where we will “meet Him in the air”, not a physical Temple, and that this world and everything in it burns up at His coming.

You, like many others, are confused by the word "air". But for the Greeks, "air" was not only the substance of the earth's atmosphere:

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: (Ephesians 2:2)

Therefore, the "air" here is the socio-political atmosphere of this world. Now in secular society, among politicians, it is not accepted to talk about God. After the construction of the city of Yahweh Shammah in Israel, in the name of which there is the sacred Name of God, the Tetragrammaton, when this city will produce God's word for the rest of the world, the political climate in the world will change. This is what the 7th bowl of wrath is, when the angel pours out the bowl "into the air".

The world will not burn physically. Fire is an image of the Judgment, the internal torment of man.

The bible says He is coming to be “glorified in His saints” as we are His temple. The Ezekiel temple is an allegory for spiritual realities to come (“He speaks to us in parables” is a key to understanding, and the Lord changes not.)

The Temple described by Ezekiel is a material Temple, the whole description points to the real embodiment of this Temple in the future. Everything will be so: the size of the Temple, the flow of water from under the threshold, the division of the water flow into two channels - into Ein Gedi and into Ein Eglaim. Receipt of land by the resurrected tribes of Israel, where the southern border will move to Wadi El-Arish, 50 km south of the current Gaza Strip, and the northern border will move north of Lebanon, capturing the coastal part of current Syria, to the city of Hama. All this is very accurately described by Ezekiel.

And we are told to compare spiritual with spiritual because God doesn’t speak to us with human/earthly wisdom. We are to seek those things which are ABOVE.

Of course, the material Temple has a spiritual meaning. The Earthly Temple reflects spiritual reality, serves as a visual aid for the carnal man.

Also I believe the temptation to the church will be much that same as it was to the first century Jews.....to accept someone who comes in his own name, a fleshly king, over a heavenly one, as Jesus prophesied they would.

Yes, that's true. Christians elect their presidents, how can this be explained? If we made a vow to God to lay up treasures in heaven, not on earth - why do we feed the dog that guards our earthly property?

The ordinances of the Law were nailed to the cross….

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; (Colossians 2:14)

This is not about the law, but about traditions, dogmas established by people. Jesus rejected human dogmas, but he never taught against the law. The apostles did the same.

the old covenant is finished as far as God is concerned.

No, it has not ended. Not all the prophecies of the Tanakh were fulfilled by Jesus. Not all the feasts of the Lord were fulfilled in the First Coming of Christ. Now what is to be fulfilled in the Second Coming will be fulfilled: Ezekiel's prophecy about the Third Temple. The autumn holidays of the Torah will be fulfilled: Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur and Simchat Torah. Now many prophecies will be fulfilled that have not been fulfilled before.

“What is old and obsolete is fading away.” (Though as far as I know, I don’t think it is sin for unbelieving Jews to keep the biblical Law, it’s not wrong in itself to live a clean life etc, and since it may yet “tutor them to Christ”.)

Do you consider the Jerusalem community in 32 CE, after the descent of the Holy Spirit, unbelievers? They all continued to fulfill the law.

Neither Jesus nor the Apostles abolished the law for the Jews. The law of Moses was not required for the Gentile Christians, then or now.

But as it says in Galations, for believers to become Law keepers would represent a fall from grace and what that implies.

The Galatians were trying to become Jews, but it was useless at that time. They only acquired a burden for themselves, without being ready for it. The Jews had been studying the law for over a thousand years, and yet it was difficult for them to fulfill it, and the Galatians were newcomers living outside of Israel. How could they fulfill all the requirements of the law if even Jews living outside Israel could not properly fulfill the law? It was enough for the Galatians to help preach the Gospel, to help the disciples of Christ expelled from Judea.

Now the picture has not changed, but the Spirit directs the elect to Israel, because the time of the gathering of the elect from the four winds has come, the time of the Second Coming of Christ. Therefore, the Temple will be built, for the gathering of the elect. It is not the seekers of the law who go there, but those led by the Spirit of God.

Looks like we are seeing these things from opposite viewpoints.

If you want to understand the Scriptures, you have to become a Hebrew from the inside. The Bible was written by Jews and for Hebrews, to make everyone Hebrews, like Abraham was after he followed God.

A person cannot understand the Scripture correctly if he is a Russian or an American inside. One must be a Jew inside. Because the Bible is Judith, who will cut off the head of a foreign conqueror who wants to use it against the Jews.

 

[Galgal]

We as His church only have to do with the substance, ie, heavenly realities, not the types and shadows. Scripture does not teach that the Word of God will become flesh again, it implies the opposite......we are NOT to believe and follow those who say lo here He is or lo there in any fixed physical location.

The Word of God will definitely become flesh. Because otherwise the Second Coming of Christ is impossible. Jesus was the embodiment of the word of God in the First Coming, and He will be the embodiment of the word of God in the Second Coming. The difference is that in the First Coming the word of God was embodied in one physical man, Jesus, but in the Second Coming the word of God will be embodied in many people, in the elect from the four winds." The incarnation of Jesus Christ at the Second Coming will be Israel.

 

[Scott Downey]

You, like many others, are confused by the word "air". But for the Greeks, "air" was not only the substance of the earth's atmosphere:

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: (Ephesians 2:2)

Therefore, the "air" here is the socio-political atmosphere of this world. Now in secular society, among politicians, it is not accepted to talk about God. After the construction of the city of Yahweh Shammah in Israel, in the name of which there is the sacred Name of God, the Tetragrammaton, when this city will produce God's word for the rest of the world, the political climate in the world will change. This is what the 7th bowl of wrath is, when the angel pours out the bowl "into the air".

The world will not burn physically. Fire is an image of the Judgment, the internal torment of man.


The Temple described by Ezekiel is a material Temple, the whole description points to the real embodiment of this Temple in the future. Everything will be so: the size of the Temple, the flow of water from under the threshold, the division of the water flow into two channels - into Ein Gedi and into Ein Eglaim. Receipt of land by the resurrected tribes of Israel, where the southern border will move to Wadi El-Arish, 50 km south of the current Gaza Strip, and the northern border will move north of Lebanon, capturing the coastal part of current Syria, to the city of Hama. All this is very accurately described by Ezekiel.

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Of course, the material Temple has a spiritual meaning. The Earthly Temple reflects spiritual reality, serves as a visual aid for the carnal man.

Yes, that's true. Christians elect their presidents, how can this be explained? If we made a vow to God to lay up treasures in heaven, not on earth - why do we feed the dog that guards our earthly property?

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; (Colossians 2:14)

This is not about the law, but about traditions, dogmas established by people. Jesus rejected human dogmas, but he never taught against the law. The apostles did the same.

No, it has not ended. Not all the prophecies of the Tanakh were fulfilled by Jesus. Not all the feasts of the Lord were fulfilled in the First Coming of Christ. Now what is to be fulfilled in the Second Coming will be fulfilled: Ezekiel's prophecy about the Third Temple. The autumn holidays of the Torah will be fulfilled: Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur and Simchat Torah. Now many prophecies will be fulfilled that have not been fulfilled before.


Do you consider the Jerusalem community in 32 CE, after the descent of the Holy Spirit, unbelievers? They all continued to fulfill the law.

Neither Jesus nor the Apostles abolished the law for the Jews. The law of Moses was not required for the Gentile Christians, then or now.


The Galatians were trying to become Jews, but it was useless at that time. They only acquired a burden for themselves, without being ready for it. The Jews had been studying the law for over a thousand years, and yet it was difficult for them to fulfill it, and the Galatians were newcomers living outside of Israel. How could they fulfill all the requirements of the law if even Jews living outside Israel could not properly fulfill the law? It was enough for the Galatians to help preach the Gospel, to help the disciples of Christ expelled from Judea.

Now the picture has not changed, but the Spirit directs the elect to Israel, because the time of the gathering of the elect from the four winds has come, the time of the Second Coming of Christ. Therefore, the Temple will be built, for the gathering of the elect. It is not the seekers of the law who go there, but those led by the Spirit of God.

If you want to understand the Scriptures, you have to become a Hebrew from the inside. The Bible was written by Jews and for Hebrews, to make everyone Hebrews, like Abraham was after he followed God.

A person cannot understand the Scripture correctly if he is a Russian or an American inside. One must be a Jew inside. Because the Bible is Judith, who will cut off the head of a foreign conqueror who wants to use it against the Jews.

Making Sense of Ezekiel’s Temple Vision - Christian Research Institute

www.equip.org

The dispensationalist answer is that the millennial sacrifices will not be intended to atone for sins. The blood of Christ precludes any need for that. Just as the Old Testament sacrifices anticipated the death of Christ as a future event, it is suggested the future millennial sacrifices will commemorate the death of Christ as a past event.

The text of Ezekiel, however, seems to preclude this, since the various offerings in the temple are said to “make atonement for the house of Israel” (45:17).1 Thus, the sacrifices are presented as an atonement for sin, not as a memorial. Christ Himself recommended the use of wine and bread to commemorate His death (1 Cor. 11:24–26). Why would God replace this with animal sacrifices in which God never found any particular pleasure (Ps. 40:6; 51:16; Heb. 10:6)?

Further, Ezekiel says that “the prince” will offer a sin offering “for himself and for all the people” (45:22). If the prince is required to offer sacrifices for his own sins, this would militate against any theory that identifies him with Christ, who never sinned.

Other objections to the idea that Ezekiel’s vision describes a worship economy to be established in the future would include the following:

• The vision presents a centralized worship in a specified geographical place. In the Old Testament, people were expected to approach the tabernacle, or (later) the temple, for this purpose (Deut. 12:5, 11). Jesus, however, announced to the Samaritan woman that the time of centralized worship was soon to end and to be replaced with spiritual worship, which does not depend on being in any particular place (John 4:21–24; cf. Acts 7:48–50).
• In Ezekiel’s vision, the Levites and Aaronic priesthood are seen in their former places of service. According to the New Testament, there has been a change of the priesthood (Heb. 7:12). The Jewish priesthood has been replaced by a different priesthood (1 Pet. 2:5) and a non-Aaronic high priest (Jesus). This modification will not be reversed, for Christ is said to be “a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek” (Ps. 110:4; Heb. 7:17, 21).

So this view of a future temple is bogus

 

[Lizbeth]

You, like many others, are confused by the word "air". But for the Greeks, "air" was not only the substance of the earth's atmosphere:

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: (Ephesians 2:2)

Therefore, the "air" here is the socio-political atmosphere of this world. Now in secular society, among politicians, it is not accepted to talk about God. After the construction of the city of Yahweh Shammah in Israel, in the name of which there is the sacred Name of God, the Tetragrammaton, when this city will produce God's word for the rest of the world, the political climate in the world will change. This is what the 7th bowl of wrath is, when the angel pours out the bowl "into the air".

The world will not burn physically. Fire is an image of the Judgment, the internal torment of man.


The Temple described by Ezekiel is a material Temple, the whole description points to the real embodiment of this Temple in the future. Everything will be so: the size of the Temple, the flow of water from under the threshold, the division of the water flow into two channels - into Ein Gedi and into Ein Eglaim. Receipt of land by the resurrected tribes of Israel, where the southern border will move to Wadi El-Arish, 50 km south of the current Gaza Strip, and the northern border will move north of Lebanon, capturing the coastal part of current Syria, to the city of Hama. All this is very accurately described by Ezekiel.

View attachment 55907


Of course, the material Temple has a spiritual meaning. The Earthly Temple reflects spiritual reality, serves as a visual aid for the carnal man.

Yes, that's true. Christians elect their presidents, how can this be explained? If we made a vow to God to lay up treasures in heaven, not on earth - why do we feed the dog that guards our earthly property?

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; (Colossians 2:14)

This is not about the law, but about traditions, dogmas established by people. Jesus rejected human dogmas, but he never taught against the law. The apostles did the same.

No, it has not ended. Not all the prophecies of the Tanakh were fulfilled by Jesus. Not all the feasts of the Lord were fulfilled in the First Coming of Christ. Now what is to be fulfilled in the Second Coming will be fulfilled: Ezekiel's prophecy about the Third Temple. The autumn holidays of the Torah will be fulfilled: Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur and Simchat Torah. Now many prophecies will be fulfilled that have not been fulfilled before.


Do you consider the Jerusalem community in 32 CE, after the descent of the Holy Spirit, unbelievers? They all continued to fulfill the law.

Neither Jesus nor the Apostles abolished the law for the Jews. The law of Moses was not required for the Gentile Christians, then or now.


The Galatians were trying to become Jews, but it was useless at that time. They only acquired a burden for themselves, without being ready for it. The Jews had been studying the law for over a thousand years, and yet it was difficult for them to fulfill it, and the Galatians were newcomers living outside of Israel. How could they fulfill all the requirements of the law if even Jews living outside Israel could not properly fulfill the law? It was enough for the Galatians to help preach the Gospel, to help the disciples of Christ expelled from Judea.

Now the picture has not changed, but the Spirit directs the elect to Israel, because the time of the gathering of the elect from the four winds has come, the time of the Second Coming of Christ. Therefore, the Temple will be built, for the gathering of the elect. It is not the seekers of the law who go there, but those led by the Spirit of God.

If you want to understand the Scriptures, you have to become a Hebrew from the inside. The Bible was written by Jews and for Hebrews, to make everyone Hebrews, like Abraham was after he followed God.

A person cannot understand the Scripture correctly if he is a Russian or an American inside. One must be a Jew inside. Because the Bible is Judith, who will cut off the head of a foreign conqueror who wants to use it against the Jews.

I think you are over-analyzing things (natural/carnal mind of the flesh) when what we need in order to understand rightly divide scripture is the simple illumination of the Holy Spirit. I can find no command of God or indication that Ezekiel's temple was built by hands of man. Only that it was "shown" to Ezekiel, ie, revealed, as Christ is revealed to the one who comes to believe in Him. If you look at Revelation 21/22 there are things that tie it to Ezekiel's temple.

 

[Scott Downey]

And you find no teaching about Ezekiel's temple in the New Testament.

In his time, the first temple had just been obliterated and Israel gone into captivity.
It reads like God is saying there will be another temple, so confirms that Israel will be brought back to the land and the temple will be rebuilt.
That is the best you can say about it as nothing is mentioned ever again in scripture about Ezekiel's vision