Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.

[Taken]

Why did he pray "if it be thy will" followed by "thy will be done"? If it was already his will?

Seriously Dave, you would do well in a very basic beginners class, until you can learn...
what a Teacher IS, and what an Example IS...

Because your questions are Juvenile...
Why did the Teacher....blah, blah
Why did the Example...blah, blah

Jesus IS the Teacher!
Jesus IS the Example!

He Taught and made Himself the Example...that even the most simplest minded men could hear what he said and do what he did...

Seriously Dave....
Do you think the MAJORITY of people...KNOW, their BODY SHALL DIE?

Do you think the MAJORITY of people...
Will pray on their death bed....
they are ready to die....or please, please...no, no, God......heck with your WILL....I want my will to prevail and keep living?

You seem to not have a clue of the understanding of Jesus' Teachings or Him the Example.

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[Dave L]

Seriously Dave, you would do well in a very basic beginners class, until you can learn...
what a Teacher IS, and what an Example IS...

Because your questions are Juvenile...
Why did the Teacher....blah, blah
Why did the Example...blah, blah

Jesus IS the Teacher!
Jesus IS the Example!

He Taught and made Himself the Example...that even the most simplest minded men could hear what he said and do what he did...

Seriously Dave....
Do you think the MAJORITY of people...KNOW, their BODY SHALL DIE?

Do you think the MAJORITY of people...
Will pray on their death bed....
they are ready to die....or please, please...no, no, God......heck with your WILL....I want my will to prevail and keep living?

You seem to not have a clue of the understanding of Jesus' Teachings or Him the Example.

Taken

How many years do you have invested in daily bible study? Any Greek? Hebrew? Teachers other than UPC?

 

[CoreIssue]

How many years do you have invested in daily bible study? Any Greek? Hebrew? Teachers other than UPC?

A fair question. So how many years have you studied and who are your teachers?

I now have 58 years and been taught by a very conservative and literal college professor and listen to such as John Ankerberg and his well-educated guests such as Walter Martin and Greek and Hebrew linguists.

That is why I do not use the KJV, but use the NIV and NASB plus solid interlinear's, not the strange ones you use.

I have debated for at least 30 years and study in depth issues that come up during those debates,

All I see from you is quoting Catholic Creeds And 500-year-old plus sources.

 

[Dave L]

A fair question. So how many years have you studied and who are your teachers?

I now have 58 years and been taught by a very conservative and literal college professor and listen to such as John Ankerberg and his well-educated guests such as Walter Martin and Greek and Hebrew linguists.

That is why I do not use the KJV, but use the NIV and NASB plus solid interlinear's, not the strange ones you use.

I have debated for at least 30 years and study in depth issues that come up during those debates,

All I see from you is quoting Catholic Creeds And 500-year-old plus sources.

Some of the greatest heretics have studied more than you.

 

[CoreIssue]

Some of the greatest heretics have studied more than you.

That is a Dodge. What about you?

 

[Dave L]

That is a Dodge. What about you?

What about me?

 

[CoreIssue]

What about me?

No more games, answer the questions.

 

[Dave L]

No more games, answer the questions.

I'm interested in Taken's background. Perhaps he will answer. I've studied Systematic Theology and Greek since the 1970s. Also led daily bible studies for most of that period with my family. I read through the bible at least once a year for the past several years now. And have ministered in jails and prisons, shut ins, along with teaching and sharing in coffee houses and churches.

 

[Taken]

How many years do you have invested in daily bible study? Any Greek? Hebrew? Teachers other than UPC?

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[CoreIssue]

I'm interested in Taken's background. Perhaps he will answer. I've studied Systematic Theology and Greek since the 1970s. Also led daily bible studies for most of that period with my family. I read through the bible at least once a year for the past several years now. And have ministered in jails and prisons, shut ins, along with teaching and sharing in coffee houses and churches.

What is systematic theology?

I don't see you practicing systematic theology since it is based on literal verses using rules of grammar and true word meaning. It also correlates to historical study to understand the cultures and societies where and when it was written.

I've use that approach since the 60s.

Just the number of times I've had to post actual word meanings and verses to refute what you said denies your claim.

You are pushing a doctrine I've heard before, but I just cannot attach it to the religious organization practice at the moment.

 

[Waiting on him]

GLORY!!!!

 

[Dave L]

What is systematic theology?

I don't see you practicing systematic theology since it is based on literal verses using rules of grammar and true word meaning. It also correlates to historical study to understand the cultures and societies where and when it was written.

I've use that approach since the 60s.

Just the number of times I've had to post actual word meanings and verses to refute what you said denies your claim.

You are pushing a doctrine I've heard before, but I just cannot attach it to the religious organization practice at the moment.

You've studied the wrong books if what I say sounds strange.

 

[Dave L]

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I thought so. But you need to study from other sources as well or you'll only have only brainwashing and indoctrination to draw from.

 

[Taken]

I thought so. But you need to study from other sources as well or you'll only have only brainwashing and indoctrination to draw from.

The only sources I have revealed I use is Scripture and Spirit of God to my spirit...

And you are flat out saying my sources cause what?

brainwashing and indoctrination

And From WHAT source did you learn such garbage?

Don't be shy Name your source.

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[Dave L]

The only sources I have revealed I use is Scripture and Spirit of God to my spirit...

And you are flat out saying my sources cause what?



And From WHAT source did you learn such garbage?

Don't be shy Name your source.

Taken

It's brainwashing and cult mentality if you do not agree with historic trinitarian Christendom. UPC is only recent, dating from the early 1900s. And they even said at one time they were the only true church, just as the Catholics do.

 

[Taken]

It's brainwashing and cult mentality if you do not agree with historic trinitarian Christendom. UPC is only recent, dating from the early 1900s. And they even said at one time they were the only true church, just as the Catholics do.

Dave...perhaps you could post a scripture saying the Lord directs men to Believe in doctrines of men (like you do).... over The Lords Doctrine...

You don't even comprehend how ridiculous you sound preaching men are brainwashed and cultish for adhering to Jesus' Doctrine Over doctrines of men.

A fine example of Foot-soildering for Satan.

Ugh!

 

[Dave L]

Dave...perhaps you could post a scripture saying the Lord directs men to Believe in doctrines of men (like you do).... over The Lords Doctrine...

You don't even comprehend how ridiculous you sound preaching men are brainwashed and cultish for adhering to Jesus' Doctrine Over doctrines of men.

A fine example of Foot-soildering for Satan.

Ugh!

You believe doctrines of men that existed only from the early 1900s.

 

[Taken]

You believe doctrines of men that existed only from the early 1900s.

Why don't you learn how to HONESTLY speak to people?

You say for yourself You follow creeds of men....that's you. Your words making a claim for yourself.

Where have I once said I follow doctrines of men?

So why ?????? do you lie and make a claim for me that I do not make for myself?

If some men in the 1900's followed Christs Doctrine good for them.

Are you so ignorant to not not know ??? For centuries a few men have followed Christs Doctrine.

Are you so ignorant to not know ??? men of Any century following Christs Doctrine are not Following each other...they are All following Christs Doctrine.

You have said You follow creeds of men. Me repeating THAT... is me being truthful about you.

I have said I follow Jesus' Doctrine...you opening your yap and saying otherwise IS you being a UN-truthful about me.

Assess yourself with the Truth...

Your teaching IS corrupt and you repeatedly make false accusations and false charges against others.

Fabricators Fabricate...
Liars Lie...

Last Warning...
Leave me out of your corrupt garbage...Stop making false claims for me...You are not qualified to speak for me...

 

[Dave L]

Why don't you learn how to HONESTLY speak to people?

You say for yourself You follow creeds of men....that's you. Your words making a claim for yourself.

Where have I once said I follow doctrines of men?

So why ?????? do you lie and make a claim for me that I do not make for myself?

If some men in the 1900's followed Christs Doctrine good for them.

Are you so ignorant to not not know ??? For centuries a few men have followed Christs Doctrine.

Are you so ignorant to not know ??? men of Any century following Christs Doctrine are not Following each other...they are All following Christs Doctrine.

You have said You follow creeds of men. Me repeating THAT... is me being truthful about you.

I have said I follow Jesus' Doctrine...you opening your yap and saying otherwise IS you being a UN-truthful about me.

Assess yourself with the Truth...

Your teaching IS corrupt and you repeatedly make false accusations and false charges against others.

Fabricators Fabricate...
Liars Lie...

Last Warning...
Leave me out of your corrupt garbage...Stop making false claims for me...You are not qualified to speak for me...

Don't you know what your church teaches? And it's history? Many errors exist, and not just in the trinity doctrine.

 

[Waiting on him]

Greek: κοινωνία
Transliteration: koinōnia
Pronunciation: koy-nohn-ee'-ah
Definition: From G2844; partnership that is (literally) participation or (social) intercourseor (pecuniary) benefaction: - (to) communicate (-ation) communion (contri-) distribution fellowship.

This is what he’s shared guys. He displays fellowship for everyone to see. The family, the church his essence. I can’t fellowship with my self.

Romans 1:20 KJV
[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Tecarta Bible PremiumEven the natural man can see this. No excuse, it’s not something obtained by study it’s seen clearly, observed the the son the father the Holy Spirit making their abode with me.

I can’t fellowship with myself!

Glory be to God, Glory be to the Son, Glory be to the Holy Spirit.