Three Days?

[liafailrock]

Telling me just what you think of Scripture shown HERE, over and over -- NOT what you think of ME! You despise Scripture - THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG, RIGHT THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION.

That whole chart of yours is yours and your prophet Armstrong's nightmare INSPIRATIONS.

Actually I love the scriptures. I can't get enough of them. Even if I misunderstood them, that is not the same as despising them which is a strong accusation. So you are dead wrong. And the scriptures I gave one can form a logical conclusion. And, by the way, you did not answer the question, only hurl insults so I am done with debating you since you I found problems with your interpretation of scriptures you gave. I did not argue or insult anyone once as you are doing with everyone. I merely gave the evidence and answered the question of the op, which she seems happy with. Oh, one last thing... that chart did not come from Armstrong. I think it was a baptist denomination, so you are wrong again. One of my favorite scriptures is where two or three witnesses establish a matter. It was used specifically for murder, but can apply elsewhere in principle. I use the principle in my life to make hard decisions and it always works out. But, if something is wrong, it's akin to being a false prophet and I don't listen to that junk.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Actually I love the scriptures. I can't get enough of them. Even if I misunderstood them, that is not the same as despising them which is a strong accusation. So you are dead wrong. And the scriptures I gave one can form a logical conclusion. And, by the way, you did not answer the question, only hurl insults so I am done with debating you since you I found problems with your interpretation of scriptures you gave. I did not argue or insult anyone once as you are doing with everyone. I merely gave the evidence and answered the question of the op, which she seems happy with. Oh, one last thing... that chart did not come from Armstrong. I think it was a baptist denomination, so you are wrong again. One of my favorite scriptures is where two or three witnesses establish a matter. It was used specifically for murder, but can apply elsewhere in principle. I use the principle in my life to make hard decisions and it always works out. But, if something is wrong, it's akin to being a false prophet and I don't listen to that junk.

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[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

A preparation day was before feasts also which are called "high Sabbaths." Remember Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were that week. So it doesn't necessarily mean Friday before the "weekly" Sabbath.

AMEN
God bless

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The label "sabbath" isn't restricted to the routine seventh day of the civil week. It also applies to special holy days. For example Yom Kippur and the Feast of Trumpets are specifically categorized as sabbaths. (Lev 16:29-34 & Lev 23:23-25)

These two feast days are specifically categorised as "GREAT SABBATH DAYS" {shabbath-shabbathon}.

Now here is one of the most interesting phenomena of the Authorised KJV. The KJ namely, translates every incidence of the combination 'etsem-yom' - 'bone-day' in the Torah (about a dozen), with "That Selfsame Day" EXCEPT in the case of <<Yom Kippur and the Feast of Trumpets>> which it simply translates with "that day".
WHY?
I believe, because these Mid-Year feasts were "added" or institutionalised long after the historical exodus passover as a 'refresher', mini Passover. That means the later feasts were more of man-made than were the Divine events of the Eternal Providences of Yahweh through the historical passover. The LINE through history in the revelation and confirmation of God's Eternal Purpose and Covenant of Grace is steadily marked by its peculiar "BONE-ESSENTIAL-DAY" from Adam through Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, culminating in the "PASSOVER-OF-YAHWEH" in the end-time of THE LAMB-OF-GOD JESUS CHRIST. <<Yom Kippur and the Feast of Trumpets>> are more auxiliary than original 'sabbaths'. Not even their triple-stressed description as 'sabbath-sabbaths' as well as 'bone-day' days, convinced the translators of the KJ to call them "selfsame" or BONE-days. THE "BONE-DAY" COMPRISED HISTORICAL "THREE DAYS THICK DARKNESS", of which the mid-year feasts DID NOT HAVE ANY HISTORICAL PRECEDENT.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Hi again April, the Bible state he rose on the third day, he died near the end of the day on Friday as you mentioned, and again as you mentioned he rose on Sunday, Nisan 14-16. What really throws it into confusion is the day starting at 6 pm.

The Bible NOWHERE states Jesus rose on Sunday. it states in so many literal words of statement of FACT, "the day after the Preparation - which is the Seventh Day Sabbath - secure the grave for the third day HE SAID HE WOULD RISE again. .. but mid-afternoon ON THE SABBATH before the First Day .. there came a great earthquake" WHEN JESUS ROSE! Matthew 27:62 to 28:1-4.

WHAT DO YOU NEED MORE OR BETTER OR CLEARER? Isn't this GOD'S WORD, BREATHED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT AND WRITTEN FOR US?

Jesus died near the end of the day BEFORE, NOT ON 'Friday' as you, falsely allege -- LET ME SHOUT IT! And NEVER as you falsely allege rose He <on Sunday>, NEVER - LET ME SHOUT IT! And absolutely NOTHING really <<throws it into confusion>> least <<the day starting at 6 pm>> because that absolutely clearly is "WHEN EVENING HAD HAD STARTED" in Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31,38,39 Luke 23:50.

You can't just pretend it's NOT THERE!!!!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Re: <<the day of the crucifixion was Friday because the day following was the sabbath>>
Answer:
The fact the Sabbath follows Friday means nothing for what happened on the day before Friday nor for what happened on Friday nor for happened on the Sabbath.

Re:
<<(Mk 15:42; Lk 23:54; Jn 19:31)>>
Answer: None of these Scriptures record the Crucifixion. <<Wyckoff Bible Encyclopedia>> FRAUDULENTLY refers to them in the same way ALL Encyclopaedia and stuff do. A shame for Christianity!

Re:
<<the day of the crucifixion was Friday .. because the women visited the tomb the next day after the sabbath, the first day of the week or Sunday>>
Answer:
The same as above - The fact the Sabbath follows Friday means nothing for what happened on the day before Friday nor for what happened on Friday nor for happened on the Sabbath. The Crucifixion was NOT on Friday, encyclopaedia encyclicals whatever useless BAD scholarship with all.

Re:
<<(Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; Jn 20:1)>>
Answer:
<<Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1>> apply to the First Day after midnight -- not the Sixth Day, Friday after mid-day or to whenever. John 20:1 is "Being early of dark - dusk - still on the First Day of the week" after the Sabbath - not after Friday.

Re:
<<If that Friday was Nisan 14, then the Year was 30 AD and the Passover was also on the Sabbath.>>
Answer:
So what? I believe Sola Scriptura.
In any case, that 'Friday' wasn't Nisan 14, it was Nisan 15.

Re:
<<It seems plain and thay works for me and the rest of Christianity.>>
Answer:
It does not <seem plain>; it looks horrible and careless about Scripture the Word of God.

Re:
<<If what you are claiming is true then the only Passover date (Nisan 15) on a Friday would be in the year 34 AD.>>
Answer:
Again, Scripture alone!

Thank you for your time and effort, but I'll stick to the Written Word of God..

Well, I guess something good came out of all this for you ...
Good Thursday ... AND then of course Jonah won't feel like he spent more time in the belly of a fish then he had to. I mean fair is fair.

One last study I found interesting. After reading This, it is no wonder why there is confusion ... The Greek, the traditions, words we take at face value - one needs to be a scholar.
Please at least consider this explanation:
Is Passover on the First Day of Unleavened Bread? (Part Two)

 

[Robert Gwin]

The Bible NOWHERE states Jesus rose on Sunday. it states in so many literal words of statement of FACT, "the day after the Preparation - which is the Seventh Day Sabbath - secure the grave for the third day HE SAID HE WOULD RISE again. .. but mid-afternoon ON THE SABBATH before the First Day .. there came a great earthquake" WHEN JESUS ROSE! Matthew 27:62 to 28:1-4.

WHAT DO YOU NEED MORE OR BETTER OR CLEARER? Isn't this GOD'S WORD, BREATHED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT AND WRITTEN FOR US?

Jesus died near the end of the day BEFORE, NOT ON 'Friday' as you, falsely allege -- LET ME SHOUT IT! And NEVER as you falsely allege rose He <on Sunday>, NEVER - LET ME SHOUT IT! And absolutely NOTHING really <<throws it into confusion>> least <<the day starting at 6 pm>> because that absolutely clearly is "WHEN EVENING HAD HAD STARTED" in Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31,38,39 Luke 23:50.

You can't just pretend it's NOT THERE!!!!

It likely will be difficult for you to do sir, but it can be done. Jesus died on Nisan 14 which fell on a Friday in the year of 33CE, you may know that the Sabbath begins on Friday at dusk ending on Saturday at dusk, and you may also know that those 3 hung had to die prior to dusk as they could not remain there on the Sabbath, so they went to break the legs, but did not have to break Jesus' legs as he was already dead, but did pierce his side to confirm his death. He was resurrected on the third day, Nisan 16 which was a Sunday.

 

[Wrangler]

Your autobiography is of no consequence even less than your confident self-destructive mathematical inabilities. Neither worth a chuckle.

Self-destructive math abilities? My you are desperate to disparage those with different doctrines.

So, getting back to counting ... if you are counting money on a table and there is no money on the table, do you count that as 1 of any denomination you please, or do you wait until money is actually laid on the table to count it in your tally?

When playing tag football and are counting Mississippi’s, do you start at 0 or 1 Mississippi?

 

[Webers_Home]

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This comment is off-topic, but I seriously think it's something that needs
saying from time to time.

Internet forums have given many of Christ's obscure followers a convenient
venue for sharing their time-won knowledge and experience with a
worldwide audience. For the world's sake, I highly recommend making an
effort to compose legible posts; neatly arranged, sensible, coherent, and
tidy.

Excessive bolding, underscoring, and italics, lack of adequate paragraphing,
twitter spelling, unnecessary emogies, horrible grammar, confusing mixtures
of fonts and colors, and/or shouting with caps and oversize letters, makes
for tiresome clutter and annoying graffiti that leave a bad impression.

Some people's posts resemble the obnoxious placards of worked-up
protesters and political activists; yelling, shrieking, and sometimes even
spraying spittle. They are beyond reason and objectivity in their desperation
to be taken seriously. Apparently they assume that if only they shout loud
enough, make themselves annoying enough, and hold out long enough;
maybe they'll get their point across and somebody will finally listen.

I rather suspect that some people regard forums as a canvas for painting
their comments instead of composing them. Well; that might be okay for
outsiders, they can be as messy as they want because their comments don't
matter anyway. But for those of us who honestly believe ourselves to be
representing God's son; it's unacceptable because it reflects on Christ and
makes him look like his followers are desperate kooks.

"Conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ." (Phil 1:27)
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[Ronald David Bruno]

The Bible NOWHERE states Jesus rose on Sunday. it states in so many literal words of statement of FACT, "the day after the Preparation - which is the Seventh Day Sabbath - secure the grave for the third day HE SAID HE WOULD RISE again. .. but mid-afternoon ON THE SABBATH before the First Day .. there came a great earthquake" WHEN JESUS ROSE! Matthew 27:62 to 28:1-4.

WHAT DO YOU NEED MORE OR BETTER OR CLEARER? Isn't this GOD'S WORD, BREATHED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT AND WRITTEN FOR US?

Jesus died near the end of the day BEFORE, NOT ON 'Friday' as you, falsely allege -- LET ME SHOUT IT! And NEVER as you falsely allege rose He <on Sunday>, NEVER - LET ME SHOUT IT! And absolutely NOTHING really <<throws it into confusion>> least <<the day starting at 6 pm>> because that absolutely clearly is "WHEN EVENING HAD HAD STARTED" in Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31,38,39 Luke 23:50.

You can't just pretend it's NOT THERE!!!!

In Matthew 28:1, ὀψὲ (a preposition) means "after" when taking the genitive plural. This is explained in Blass et al., A Greek Grammar of the New Testament and Early Christian Literature (University of Chicago Press, 1961), pp.90-91. It is also discussed in Bauer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament.

I use the KJV but also a half dozen other translations - I have to, I don't know how to translate Koine Greek and just can't rely on a few scholars 500 years ago to give me the goods.

Look up Biblegateway.com and search some forty translations of Matt. 28:1 and most translations say "after the Sabbath".

The event described took place on the first day of the week. Mark says it was very early in the morning. Matthew adds the additional detail - not really necessary perhaps - that the new day was beginning as the Sabbath was ending (after the Sabbath).

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I'm beginning to think you are deliberately trying to attack the universally and traditionally accepted days that Jesus died and rose just justify your legalistic adherence to the Sabbath. (SDA?) Your mission to get rid of the Lord's Day and shift his death to Thursday (as if you are convincing anyone) is not working! Maybe in your mind you think The Holy Spirit is working through you to convince the world that we have been wrong all along and should be worshipping on The Sabbath? I think He would have made that correction long ago if that were true - maybe as part of Luther's 95 Thesis? So, I guess you won't be celebrating Easter Sunday?

Since you like to emphasize with big words, here are two for you:


YOU FAILED!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

After reading This, it is no wonder why there is confusion ... The Greek, the traditions, words we take at face value - one needs to be a scholar.
Please at least consider this explanation:
Is Passover on the First Day of Unleavened Bread? (Part Two)

I don't know what <this> you were <reading> has been, but it could not have been my posts because they contain NO <<Greek .. traditions>>. I meant my posts to use <words we take at face value>. Yes, one sometimes - very seldom - has to know a little bit more than <we> usually take for granted, but not to be <scholars>. The scholars of today and the past decades are not worthy to be called scholars; almost all worship <tradition>. I am not a scholar; I was a plumber all my life. But I STUDIED hard, because I had to because I am not a genius either. Truth makes one do strange things, like TO SEE TRUTH WHEN FRAUD BLINDED THE PROUD LIKE <scholars>.

I'll look at the URL. Thanks.
God bless

 

[Wrangler]

The event described took place on the first day of the week. Mark says it was very early in the morning. Matthew adds the additional detail - not really necessary perhaps - that the new day was beginning as the Sabbath was ending (after the Sabbath).

This is inaccurate. The Jewish Day begins at Sunset. By dawn, the Jewish day is half over.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

It likely will be difficult for you to do sir, but it can be done. Jesus died on Nisan 14 which fell on a Friday in the year of 33CE, you may know that the Sabbath begins on Friday at dusk ending on Saturday at dusk, and you may also know that those 3 hung had to die prior to dusk as they could not remain there on the Sabbath, so they went to break the legs, but did not have to break Jesus' legs as he was already dead, but did pierce his side to confirm his death. He was resurrected on the third day, Nisan 16 which was a Sunday.

Thanks. You confirmed my every claim from the bigger picture to the finer detail - in contrast as per yourself.

<<it can be done. Jesus died on Nisan 14>>. That's how far you made it - not much difficulty to it so far.

He died 3 PM? Right. What happened then?
Luke 23:48 And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done [that Jesus DIED], smote their breasts, and returned. 49 And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, who stood afar off beholding these things, RETURNED.

So that was 3PM and immediately after. Right? ALL spectators LEFT on Nisan 14 therefore? Right?

Then what happened next?
"When EVENING had already come, JOSEPH came"? Right? Right. Mark 15:47 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50 John 19:31.38,39.

So when was "when EVENING had already come"?
After sunset? Right! After sunset after <Nisan 14> "when EVENING had already come".

Then what happened then?
"The Preparation had begun" and "it was the Preparation" - "the Preparation progressed" - "the Preparation was going on". Was going on "and SINCE / BECAUSE THAT DAY WAS GREAT-DAY-OF-SABBATH" OF THE PASSOVER, "the Jews asked Pilate that the crosses be removed" ... removed while Jesus' dead body was STILL HANGING ON his cross. On Nisan 15 - fifteen, hanging on his cross.

That's my LIE, you shouted!
No <sir>, That's God's Word LYING ACCORDING TO YOU, <sir>.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Self-destructive math abilities? My you are desperate to disparage those with different doctrines.

So, getting back to counting ... if you are counting money on a table and there is no money on the table, do you count that as 1 of any denomination you please, or do you wait until money is actually laid on the table to count it in your tally?

When playing tag football and are counting Mississippi’s, do you start at 0 or 1 Mississippi?

Read.

Not worth reading.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

According to the Mishna, preparations for the Passover began on Abib (Nisan) 13. All leaven had to be destroyed before 11 AM and the bread was prepared by 3PM. The Jews prepared the lamb between sunset and dark on A Nisan 14. It was customary for

Egypt had sunrise days The LORD revealed the Torah's creation days from sunset to sunset. So the Mishna is correct as far as the historic exodus passover is concerned.
Microsoft Word - Book 1, 1 Passover to Crucifixion.doc (biblestudents.co.za)

 

[Wrangler]

Read.

Not worth reading.

Can't answer basic counting questions. Gotcha!

It seems to me pure mysticism to believe Friday at sunset to Sunday at sunrise constitutes 3 full days by any rational consideration. Can you at least acknowledge the difference between a regular Sabbath and a special Sabbath is that a Special Sabbath does not have to be on a Saturday?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

In Matthew 28:1, ὀψὲ (a preposition) means "after" when taking the genitive plural.

Twentieth century quasi Greek Grammar and Syntax.

Let A.T. Robertson tell you,

Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament
Quote begins:
Now late on the sabbath as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week (opse de sabbatwn, th epipwskoush eiί mian sabbatwn). This careful chronological statement according to Jewish days clearly means that before the sabbath was over, that is before six P.M., this visit by the women was made "to see the sepulchre" (qeorhsai ton tapon). They had seen the place of burial on Friday afternoon (Mark 15:47; Matthew 27:61; Luke 23:55). They had rested on the sabbath after preparing spices and ointments for the body of Jesus (Luke 23:56), a sabbath of unutterable sorrow and woe. They will buy other spices after sundown when the new day has dawned and the sabbath is over (Mark 16:1). Both Matthew here and Luke (Luke 23:54) use dawn (epipwskw) for the dawning of the twenty-four hour-day at sunset, not of the dawning of the twelve-hour day at sunrise. The Aramaic used the verb for dawn in both senses. The so-called Gospel of Peter has epipwskw in the same sense as Matthew and Luke as does a late papyrus. Apparently the Jewish sense of "dawn" is here expressed by this Greek verb. Allen thinks that Matthew misunderstands Mark at this point, but clearly Mark is speaking of sunrise and Matthew of sunset. Why allow only one visit for the anxious women? Quote ends

And KJV and ALL the MANY English Bibles from after the Reformation when Greek Scholarship was genuine learnedness and not the farce it has been since the 20th century, HAVE 'opse' : "LATE ON".

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

More important than any quibbling about Prepositions is the Greek first principle in grammar, syntax and simply linguistics, the basic condition of Case. Case first and foremost allows no alternative to the Genitive / Ablative being inclusive, and the Accusative being exclusive. Movement in Time or Distance is that OF the body mass or entity in Case of Genitive / Ablative; but in Case of Accusative the entity is static with the Time or Movement "approaching towards unto" the entity, or "moving off away from" it. NO irregularities!

So 'after the Sabbath' needs the Accusative and 'on the First Day' needs the Genitive; BUT WE SEE the Genitive in Case "OF the Sabbath" and WE SEE the Accusative in Case "TOWARDS the First Day".

Nothing could be simpler and straight forward. Modern translations are scandalous. Fortunately the translators are kept incognito.

I personally despise them, not for their incompetency so much, but much, much more, for their COWARDICE AND HYPOCRISY.