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It's full of errors - the NET is a more accurate translation, translators / study notes useful at times.
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It is amazing that those who claim "to see" cannot see when I can see the Triune Godhead starting from Genesis to Revelation.
And I am not being factitious with you.
J.
I could go find the scripture but even common sense should show you that you have not received as great a measure as He did. In fact, the scripture I already gave shows we have received a lesser portion in the words “more than your companions.” Even the apostles received a greater measure than you or I have yet. I mean, Ive never raised anyone from the dead. Have you?
I don’t think the trinity doctrine is all that dangerous compared to some of the other doctrines. At least it affirms that Jesus was God.
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We might be speaking about different things. Are you saying you have the HS (i.e the Essence of God) or are you saying you have the HS and its gifts?
grace and her foreign terminologies.
2Co_1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Eph_1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph_4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
I will not insult your intelligence by giving you the morphology or the definition of the sealing of the Holy Spirit.
J.
I know you’re not. :)
The reason I cannot see it is because it says, “God is Spirit.” And I think this is the Holy Spirit. So I don’t think God is one Spirit and the Holy Spirit is another Spirit. So I cannot see a trinity. I do see a binity though.
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I am not going to debate with you on this topic but I am interested in your understanding of how you are sealed? What is the mechanics of this process for you & Grace?
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With you (μεθ' ὑμῶν)
Notice the three prepositions used in this verse to describe the Spirit's relation to the believer. With you (μετά), in fellowship; by you (παρά), in His personal presence; in you (ἐν), as an indwelling personal energy, at the springs of the life.
That term
another, signifieth the personal distinction of the Third from the First and Second Person in the blessed Trinity.
And the name here given to the blessed Spirit, Paraklhton, (which we too narrowly translate comforter), is a term exceedingly proper to signify all the operations of the blessed Spirit in and upon the souls of his people. The same word, 1Jo_2:1, where it is applied to Christ, (as here it is to the Spirit), is there much better translated Advocate; and it is most probable that our translators here translate it
Comforter, because he is here promised to the disciples troubled, as fitted to their present distress. The verb from whence the word derives, signifies not to comfort only, but to exhort, and to be an advocate for another. Now it belongs to the office of an advocate to suggest to his client what may be for his advantage; which is also the office of the blessed Spirit: if he seeth his client in an error, to reprove and to convince him; which is also the work of the Spirit, Joh_16:8: if he seeth him weak and discouraged, to uphold, strengthen, and encourage him; this is also the Spirit’s work, Eph_3:16: if he seeth him running into an error, to restrain him; if he findeth him dull and heavy, to quicken him; if he seeth him ready to be run down, to defend him; if he hath any thing to do in the court, to prepare and dram it up for him, and, as occasion serveth, to speak for him. All these things (as might be largely showed) fall within the office of an advocate, and under the comprehensive term here used. And (saith our Saviour) he shall
abide with you for ever: I shall be with you but for a while, but he shall abide with you to eternity (as some observe this word is constantly used by this evangelist). So that the promise of the Spirit is not to be restrained only to the apostles and their successors in the ministry, or to be understood only of those extraordinary gifts bestowed on the apostles and first ministers of the gospel; but to be extended further, both with reference to persons and influences: and without doubt the influences of the Spirit, both as to gifts and graces, both upon ministers and more private Christians, are much more plentiful since the sending of the Holy Ghost, after Christ’s ascension, in the days of Pentecost, than ever they were before: not as to particular persons; a David, a Solomon, or some particular persons, might have greater measures than any or the most have since had; but as to the generality of ministers and Christians. Doubtless, since the pouring out of the Spirit in the days of Pentecost, there have been greater measures of the gifts and graces of the Holy Spirit given out, and will be to the end of the world, than ever was in any age before Christ’s ascension; which is no more than what was prophesied, Isa_44:3 Joe_2:28, applied to the days of Pentecost, Act_2:17, but not to be limited to that time or age, either for gifts or gracious habits: for as the extraordinary gifts and powers held in some degree after the apostles’ age, (if we may give any credit to ecclesiastical history), so both in those ages, and ever since, as to the generality both of ministers and Christians, (that is, such as are mentioned Joh_14:15, that love Christ, and keep his commandments), there have been fuller measures of gifts, of more constant, standing use for the church, such as those of knowledge and utterance, &c., and also of inward graces, than ever before was.
Poole
another: Joh_14:18, Joh_14:26, Joh_15:26, Joh_16:7-15, Act_9:31, Act_13:52, Rom_5:5, Rom_8:15, Rom_8:16, Rom_8:26, Rom_8:27, Rom_14:17, Rom_15:13, Gal_5:22, Php_2:1
abide: Joh_4:14, Joh_16:22, Mat_28:20, Eph_1:13, Eph_1:14, Col_3:3, Col_3:4, 2Th_2:16
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Ive been given the down payment of the Holy Spirit. I’m led by the Spirit and taught by the Spirit. I’ve never yet walked IN the Spirit though. I’ve not experienced that fullness of the Spirit. As for gifts of the Spirit, I don’t know. Tongues, healing, no, the Spirit has never moved or manifested in me that way.
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Interesting. Do you see "this deposit" as being something you received at Baptism or ??? How would you define this deposit?
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
The scripture that didn't come to mind.
J.
I can give you scripture references but there's a great divide on this so I won't.
You need to understand what allos and heteros means.
Still not argumentative, just deeply concerned.
J.
More stronger in the Pauline epistles....
Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Rom 16:19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
Rom 16:21 Timotheus my workfellow, and Lucius, and Jason, and Sosipater, my kinsmen, salute you.
Rom 16:22 I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord.
Rom 16:23 Gaius mine host, and of the whole church, saluteth you. Erastus the chamberlain of the city saluteth you, and Quartus a brother.
Rom 16:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Being given that seed of Gods Spirit IS the baptism… Some people say they became gradually aware that Gods Spirit was in them. With me, it was sudden and dramatic. Maybe I’m denser than them. Or maybe…some would be too scared and so He comes more gently and gradually. I really don’t know…
I don’t take so much concern for others regarding it as long as they understand that Jesus WAS God. If they see that, I think they’ll be okay. If someone argues that Jesus was not and is not God, then I worry for them.
I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,” says the Lord God. “I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One.”
1 In the beginning the Word already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
He also IS God. Not sure why this wording is an issue for you…
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