This is why most believe that Jesus is a Man/Son and not God.

[Johann]

I know you’re not. :)
The reason I cannot see it is because it says, “God is Spirit.” And I think this is the Holy Spirit. So I don’t think God is one Spirit and the Holy Spirit is another Spirit. So I cannot see a trinity. I do see a binity though.

Mar 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

How would you explain this portion of scripture?
Jesus coming out of the water SAW..saw what?

..the Spirit descending...then what?

A voice from heaven..saying what TO whom?


From the OJB


. When we look at
the first man lying on the
ground dead (Gn. 5:5), the
Bible is showing us the first
sinner of a sinning/dying
epoch which only the
Moshiach's death brings to an
end (2C 5:14). But the point
here is that humankind in Gn
1:27 is “HaAdam” in Hebrew,
and that verse shows Man as
having both singularity and
plurality (oto and otam, Gn
1:27), thus reflecting his
Maker, Elohim, Who also has
singularity and plurality in
His complexity (compare
echad in Gn 2:24 and Dt 6:4).
Gn 1:26 uses a majestic plural
but the Doctrine of Hashem’s
Kedushah Meshuleshet
(Threefold Holiness) is seen in
Elohim (Gn 1:1) and the Dvar
Hashem (Gn 1:3) and the
Ruach Elohim (Gn 1:2)
engaged in the work of
creation. When we look at the
original language in Zohar
Vol.3 Ha'azinu page 288b, we
see the text which comments
on Daniel 7:13, where the Bar
Moshiach comes to the
Ancient of Days. The Zohar
says, "The Ancient One is
described as being two (TAVRESH-YUD-FINAL
NOON,Aramaic for "two")." G-d
and the Moshiach, called by
Daniel "the Ancient of Days"
and "the Son of Man" are
obviously a picture of G-d as
"two" in the Bible, and the
Zohar owns up to this fact,
calling G-d "two." Two
sentences prior to that on the
same page, the original
language of the text of the
Zohar says, "The Ancient Holy
One [i.e. G-d, Daniel 7:13] is
found with three (TAVLAMMED-TAV, Aramaic for
"three") heads or chiefs (RESHYUD-SHIN-YUD-FINAL NOON
Aramaic for "heads"), which are
united in One (CHET-DALET
Aramaic for "one")." Here we
have a picture in the Zohar of
the raz (mystery) of G-d's
unity, the distinct havayot
(subsistences, modes of being)
in Adonoi Echad. G-d is
echad,one, but a complex one,
not three g-ds, only Hashem,
One, but with Hashem’s
Kedushah Meshuleshet
(Threefold holiness, Isa 6:3).

Something to ponder about.
J.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Mar 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

How would you explain this portion of scripture?
Jesus coming out of the water SAW..saw what?

..the Spirit descending...then what?

A voice from heaven..saying what TO whom?



Something to ponder about.
J.

God, who is Spirit, does speak you know! And sometimes, even audibly.

 

[Johann]

I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,” says the Lord God. “I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One.”

1 In the beginning the Word already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

He also IS God. Not sure why this wording is an issue for you…

Incorrect, always existing....


εἰμί
eimi
i-mee'
First person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic): - am, have been, X it is I, was. See also G1488, G1498, G1511, G1527, G2258, G2071, G2070, G2075, G2076, G2771, G2468, G5600.
Total KJV occurrences: 146


Part of Speech: Verb
Tense: Imperfect << There you have it, not "was" the Hebrew equivalent is haya...Exo 3:14 And Elohim said unto Moshe, Eh-heh-yeh ashair Ehheh- yeh (I AM WHO I AM); and He said, Thus shalt thou say unto the Bnei Yisroel, EHHEH-YEH (I AM) hath sent me unto you.

If Jesus had a beginning, that would be a Aorist, was, but He had no beginning, knowing the end from the beginning therefore, always
existing, Imperfect.
Voice: Active
Mood: Indicative
Person: third [he/she/it]
Number: Singular

J.

 

[Johann]

God, who is Spirit, does speak you know! And sometimes, even audibly.

No, the moment I am hearing voices...

But you missed what I was trying to get at, no worries.
J.

 

[Johann]

God, who is Spirit, does speak you know! And sometimes, even audibly.

Kindly explain to me what is the role of the Ruach HaKodesh now in the life of a believer with all relevant scriptures.
J.

 

[Johann]

Being given that seed of Gods Spirit IS the baptism… Some people say they became gradually aware that Gods Spirit was in them. With me, it was sudden and dramatic. Maybe I’m denser than them. Or maybe…some would be too scared and so He comes more gently and gradually. I really don’t know…

Water baptism or baptism of the Holy Spirit, they are not the same.
J.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Incorrect, always existing....

Read the verse again.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

No, the moment I am hearing voices...

But you missed what I was trying to get at, no worries.
J.

No, I understood what you were getting at. You were trying to say the voice was God the Father and the Holy Spirit was the Holy Spirit. You were trying to show that scripture shows a trinity. But since God IS Spirit and the Spirit of God has been known to speak, it wasn’t so winningly showing what you wanted it to show. The argument is much better shown, and shown better, with other verses, although I still think it untenable.

 

[Johann]

Read the verse again.

εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος

'eh·Yeh 'a·Sher 'eh·Yeh

I am not here splitting hairs with you, there's enough of that going around.
Suggest you look up the en and the morphology.
J.

 

[Johann]

No, I understood what you were getting at. You were trying to say the voice was God the Father and the Holy Spirit was the Holy Spirit. You were trying to show that scripture shows a trinity. But since God IS Spirit and the Spirit of God has been known to speak, it wasn’t so winningly showing what you wanted it to show. The argument is much better shown, and shown better, with other verses, although I still think it untenable.

What you think and what I think is not the same.
J.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Kindly explain to me what is the role of the Ruach HaKodesh now in the life of a believer with all relevant scriptures.
J.

The role of the Spirit of God in is to guide us into all truth, to comfort, to produce fruit in us, to pray with groaning too deep for words when we don’t know what we should pray.
Why do you want me to list chapter and verse? You can google the verses on the Holy Spirit. Type in your search bar: verses about the Holy Spirit. You will see I have spoken the truth.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,” says the Lord God. “I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One.”

I don’t know what en and morphology mean and don’t know why you think I must look them up. It says: “who always was.”

 

[stunnedbygrace]

What you think and what I think is not the same.
J.

That is true. But it’s not so disastrous of a difference as you think. When it is disastrous is when the result a man comes to is to say Jesus is not God.

 

[Johann]

Type in your search bar: verses about the Holy Spirit. You will see I have spoken the truth.

Not the way I do it sister, since when Google goes "lights out" what are you going to do?
J.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Water baptism or baptism of the Holy Spirit, they are not the same.
J.

You are correct. One is a man putting you in h2o. The other is the Spirit of God being implanted in you.

 

[Johann]

That is true. But it’s not so disastrous of a difference as you think. When it is disastrous is when the result a man comes to is to say Jesus is not God.

Here I concur, since the deity of Christ is under attack
J.

 

[Johann]

The argument is much better shown, and shown better, with other verses, although I still think it untenable.

Like I said, not here to win a argument, you win.
J.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Not the way I do it sister, since when Google goes "lights out" what are you going to do?
J.

Well then, when google goes lights out, He will recall the verses to your mind just as scripture says. But if you don’t read them to begin with….

You don’t have to google it. You can go pick up your exhaustive concordance and do it that way. Not as fast of a way and much more page flipping, but you can look it up that way too. It’s also easier for old eyes like mine, since the print in my concordance is so small.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Here I concur, since the deity of Christ is under attack
J.

It most certainly is! But you don’t need the doctrine of the trinity to fight that attack. You only need the many scriptures that show Jesus is God.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Like I said, not here to win a argument, you win.
J.

I wasn’t arguing….