There is NO proof text in scripture.

[Bob Estey]

Different rule. Different subject. But thank you--it is a good reminder.

We want to keep things as simple as possible. The Lord gave us plenty of rules to follow.

 

[David in NJ]

We kinda have a Potter or clay issue here.

I understand that the words of scripture are Spirit, I too have said so. But that is not the problem. The problem is when men take it from there. All I am saying is that we have the promise of all truth directly from the Spirit, and the opportunity (if not a command) to take it on that level...which would do two things:

1. Eliminate the understanding and translation issues of the past due to God confusing all language. Which should be looked at and embraced as God's deliverance from that era. Instead [shamefully] there are those who want to kill the prophets again.
2. And it would divide the wheat from the tares.

Scary, but completely biblical.

Thanks for the PROOF TEXT! Yer awesome! ;)

Scott, i think you know me enough by now that we both think alike in the Holy Spirit which i am in full agreement with you on as my posts show forth.
So please never see me as one that is being critical of you in Christ. I was a hockey player when young so there is a element of 'rough contact' that goes on in my posts sometimes.

PEACE

 

[prism]

That's the problem. Text can and is twisted. God did that.

And the only means we have of untwisting it, God also did. He gave us the Holy Spirit, and told us the words must be discerned spiritually.

Then the scriptures don't have that problem. Only then are they not twisted.

Paul told Timothy, a prospective pastor, to study to show himself approved.
Ministry work is not for lazy people who use the Holy Spirit as an excuse not to study.

 

[Berserk]

The OP is logically incoherent because it disparages word studies in favor of Spirit illumination, but this so-called illumination must itself be tested by discernment. And a crucial aspect of that discernment involves word studies and knowledge of the original biblical languages which provide a necessary check for pretentious and mindless claims to Spirit inspiration of what the text means. Remember, the Book of Mormon promises skeptics of its revelation to ask God's Spirit and He will allegedly confirm the truth of this book! Millions of Mormons claim to have received an inner witness of just such a bogus confirmation.

 

[MatthewG]

Have found that love is paramount over any religious dogmatic doctrine.

It’s good to study scripture in my opinion, and look and see what words mean, for they give a deeper meaning.

I don’t believe I would have understood what Jesus had spoke about when it came to look at mark 2:14-22, if I had not looked into what wineskins were in the Greek language.

 

[ScottA]

Paul told Timothy, a prospective pastor, to study to show himself approved.
Ministry work is not for lazy people who use the Holy Spirit as an excuse not to study.

Name calling. Just another example of un-Christian love. More bad fruit.

 

[ScottA]

The OP is logically incoherent because it disparages word studies in favor of Spirit illumination, but this so-called illumination must itself be tested by discernment. And a crucial aspect of that discernment involves word studies and knowledge of the original biblical languages which provide a necessary check for pretentious and mindless claims to Spirit inspiration of what the text means. Remember, the Book of Mormon promises skeptics of its revelation to ask God's Spirit and He will allegedly confirm the truth of this book! Millions of Mormons claim to have received an inner witness of just such a bogus confirmation.

Tell that to Jesus when you see Him. Tell Him He should have known better than to think He could build His church by the same means as Peter knew He was the Christ.

Maybe you should do a word study on it. Obviously you could use the lesson.

 

[MatthewG]

Definition of lazy
(Entry 1 of 2)

1a: disinclined to activity or exertion : not energetic or vigorous The lazy child tried to avoid household chores.
b: encouraging inactivity or indolence a lazy summer day
2: moving slowly : SLUGGISHa lazy river
3: DROOPY, LAX a rabbit with lazy ears
4: placed on its side lazy E livestock brand
5: not rigorous or strict lazy scholarship

Is it really name calling? Or is it just the point of an action that a person is partaking in?

 

[MatthewG]

For me, a person should be encouraged to go and read the Bible. Also check out translations especially from something like a literal greek translation. Say Young’s Literal Translation. Also Kjv, even with use of a New living translation, if they desire. (A tool I would recommend is called esword, it’s free and has a lot of useful free dictionaries, even for Greek and Hebrew words).

Now just for clarification, I can be lazy sometimes, however I would encourage people to really get in their and study their bibles and check the Bible’s with as close as to the Greek you can get and consider the words you are reading. Though you do not have to if you dont want to.

However if people are just gonna stick to reading what Jesus said and not consider anything else from the other letters, and even the Old Testament which are all for profit and gain for them spiritually, that would be considered being lazy. Having not to want to dig into the nice steak that is there for you to chew on.

It takes to long to cut, and chew, and digest.

It’s like going with a group of people and you order a steak and when it’s laid on the table they grab it and throw it down, on the floor. You ask why did you do that? They say because I don’t like it, I just want the green peas and mashed potatoes.

The green peas and mashed potatoes is easier for them to eat, chew, and digest.

 

[Cooper]

Conducting a word search can throw up some strange results when studying a specific subject. Before I had a computer I used the Thomson Chain reference Bible, but all Bibles with a margin down the middle of the page give the relevant scriptures but since I got a computer the best study compendium is Bible Hub, but my absolute favourite, is a free programme called esword e-Sword: Free Bible Study for the PC

Bible Commentaries
and many Bible translations
John 1 KJV
.

 

[keithr]

We really need to pay close attention to the words in the Bible, if we don't want to look like a fool, as this cartoon demonstrates:

 

[David in NJ]

The OP is logically incoherent because it disparages word studies in favor of Spirit illumination, but this so-called illumination must itself be tested by discernment. And a crucial aspect of that discernment involves word studies and knowledge of the original biblical languages which provide a necessary check for pretentious and mindless claims to Spirit inspiration of what the text means. Remember, the Book of Mormon promises skeptics of its revelation to ask God's Spirit and He will allegedly confirm the truth of this book! Millions of Mormons claim to have received an inner witness of just such a bogus confirmation.

This makes me want to go Berserk.................lol

 

[bbyrd009]

what wineskins were in the Greek language.

what are they?

 

[MatthewG]

@bbyrd009

The reason you can’t put new wine into old wineskins is because if you do the leather bag will bust, because of the reduced quality of it being used already.

In context from if I remember correctly this would be talking about how you can not mix the old covenant with the new covenant in which Jesus was bring forth the ministry of the spirit and the ministry of righteousness. (Having being able to complete what no other person was able to ever do by holding the law of Moses in my opinion).


779 askós – a leather wine-skin (not a glass"bottle"). "Our word bottle originally carried the true meaning, being a bottle of leather. In Spanish bota means a leather bottle, a boot, and a butt. In Spain wine is still brought to market in pig-skins" (M. Vincent)

 

[Curtis]

God has confused all language at Babel--even all scripture...which has not been rescinded.

Most of the debates here and many of the differences of belief and division among so-called Christians, are over the various translations of original languages that have been confused by God to make it foolishness to the natural man and unbelievers. And most have fallen headlong into the trap, a trap that was never meant for you/us.

Get off the word studies, and get in the Spirit. Walk in the Spirit.

The scriptures then, are not to serve as a proof text of what you think or what was taught, but should instead be a means of confirmation. The rule is NOT to test every word, but rather to "test every spirit."

Let me say it again: Get off the word studies. They are of no value to proving doctrine.

God didn’t confuse languages, he created many different languages when He dispersed those at the Tower of Babel, which confused their ability to band together again.

God didn’t put confusion in the languages, but in the people, by giving them so many different languages - that doesn’t mean each language was confusing.

Words have meaning and can be accurately interpreted.

 

[ScottA]

God didn’t confuse languages, he created many different languages when He dispersed those at the Tower of Babel, which confused their ability to band together again.

God didn’t put confusion in the languages, but in the people, by giving them so many different languages - that doesn’t mean each language was confusing.

Words have meaning and can be accurately interpreted.

Yet the words are not accurately interpreted at all by most. Which is evident and the very problem we face.

And the scriptures actually do say God confused all language:

"Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” Genesis 11:7
​

...But it is also worth noting that it says "down and there", meaning that there is no confusion up there, but only down here. :)

 

[MatthewG]

The Holy Spirit that came in acts2 is the reverse of the Tower of Babel, did you know that ScottA? Thoughts?

It’s mainly Christians that tend to argue over doctrine and things like that. The main focus is to establish faith, in Christ, having hope while exhibiting love.

1 Corinthians 13:13.

 

[Cooper]

Yet the words are not accurately interpreted at all by most. Which is evident and the very problem we face.

And the scriptures actually do say God confuse all language:

"Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” Genesis 11:7
​

...But it is also worth noting that it says "down and there", meaning that there is no confusion up there, but only down here. :)

The issue is due to words having several meanings, especially in Hebrew which has a limited vocabulary. So a search reveals many scriptures with each verse having a different meaning, hence the issues that we get.

 

[David in NJ]

@bbyrd009

The reason you can’t put new wine into old wineskins is because if you do the leather bag will bust, because of the reduced quality of it being used already.

In context from if I remember correctly this would be talking about how you can not mix the old covenant with the new covenant in which Jesus was bring forth the ministry of the spirit and the ministry of righteousness. (Having being able to complete what no other person was able to ever do by holding the law of Moses in my opinion).


779 askós – a leather wine-skin (not a glass"bottle"). "Our word bottle originally carried the true meaning, being a bottle of leather. In Spanish bota means a leather bottle, a boot, and a butt. In Spain wine is still brought to market in pig-skins" (M. Vincent)

AMEN = KEY word "SKINS"

The Moral of the Parable = Don't be thin skinned (the law) but be Renewed and Filled with the New Covenant.

The law cannot contain the GRACE(Blood of Christ) that HE brought into Heaven(John 20:17) and poured out for us on the Mercy Seat.

The OT/Law was contained in animal skins/blood and could not make anyone perfect.

The NT/GRACE/His Precious Blood is contained in Human Skin in the spirit made in the Image of God, in His Body who we are.

 

[bbyrd009]

God didn’t confuse languages, he created many different languages when He dispersed those at the Tower of Babel, which confused their ability to band together again.

God didn’t put confusion in the languages, but in the people, by giving them so many different languages - that doesn’t mean each language was confusing.

Words have meaning and can be accurately interpreted.

gnosticism is fun, huh