Theosis vs Christlikeness

[Episkopos]

For those who have little or no faith, I will try to make things as simple as possible.

Jesus is God with His Father. One Spirit in 2 Persons. The Father is greater than the Son...a smaller portion of a greater whole.

God is holy. We can only approach to the Father through the Son. As such Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to the Father.

There are 2 levels of salvation...according to righteousness and in holiness.

God will judge the world in righteousness NOT in holiness. And that makes the modern church teach grave error...having no understanding of either righteousness or holiness.

The gospel is about HOLINESS, not forgiveness. The cross is about holiness not forgiveness.

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. Many in other religions will inherit life because they have suffered, have cried out to God, feared Him and done righteousness.

On the other hand God will judge the church against holiness...where most will fail. And since these railed against compassion and mercy as being too "inclusivist" these will be shown no mercy and be rejected into outer darkness. There will be weeping and anger.

 

[Episkopos]

You were not telling the "truth" the numerous times you stated that "The Cross is not about forgiveness"........and "God does not give His Righteousness to anyone".

OK you are very simple and mechanical in your way of thinking. Your scheme is wrong. Following Pauline instead of Christ is wrong. You don't understand why Jesus came to earth. God can forgive people from heaven as He has always done. And Jesus forgave many BEFORE He was crucified. You have to give your brain a chance.

So, you were dishonest everytime you stated those false statements, and you'll be dishonest when you state those deceptions next time, and the time after that...

The truth is that Jesus came to make people holy...and present these to the Father.

Forgiving people for sins is nothing. Transforming people into vessels of holiness, glory and honour...with NO MORE SIN...takes the work of Christ.

 

[Behold]

The gospel is about HOLINESS, not forgiveness. The cross is about holiness not forgiveness.

Your filthy Cross denying lies are going to find you one day..

Believe it.

 

[Episkopos]

Your filthy Cross denying lies are going to find you one day..

Believe it.

Interesting accusation as it applies to you perfectly. You need to be crucified in the part of you that attacks me for speaking the truth. Go to the cross and be saved. Let go of your religious delusions and know God for real.

 

[Behold]

OK you are very simple and mechanical in your way of thinking.

At least i can think.

You should try it.

Your scheme is wrong. Following Pauline instead of Christ is wrong.

There is a no disctinction between being a Disciple of Christ and learning the Doctrine of Paul.

See, Christianity, as the understanding of "being born again in Christ", being gained.... is all about Revelation Knowledge"

So, that means that the doctrine for the Church .... IS that express knowledge, and to gain this we go to the person who supplies it in the NT.

And that is what Paul is referring to, when He says...>>"be a follower of ME........as i follow Christ"

You don't understand why Jesus came to earth. God can forgive people from heaven as He has always done.

When you say that God forgave , and then you Deny that This forgiveness comes BY the Cross of Christ, where Jesus is found as God's Reconciliation between Himself and humanity.. then you define yourself as a Cross Denying Deceiver, once again @Episkopos
And you'll do it again, only because the Mods on this forum dont care.

Forgiving people for sins is nothing.

Again, you are denying the Cross.. as its SIN that separates YOU from God, and until your sin is forgiven, that spiritual separation will remain.

 

[Behold]

Interesting accusation as it applies to you perfectly.

What applies to me perfectly, is the Blood Atonement that has reconciled me to God.., for eternity.

That Blood Atonement is the Cross of Christ that you continue to deny as doing this for the Believer in Yeshua.

 

[amigo de christo]

I hadn't noticed this...since I have many fluff providers here on ignore. Those who troll my threads for no reason but to justify their egos...I don't respond to mostly...unless their folly is such that it needs responding to.

Regarding the Pope and his statement about all religions leading to God. I disagree wholeheartedly. The reason that some might think that I believe that is because they are themselves stuck in a dogmatic jail...having zero discernment and no understanding of the bible at all.

There is only one way to the Father...and that is through Christ...the one Mediator between the Father and humanity. I have only stated that hundreds of times. But the blind and the deaf here will see that as my omission rather than see their own bent, blindness and deafness.


Unlike others here, I operate in truth and reality not some religious factory setting. I cannot be judged by the carnal religious ones here...I can only be misunderstood by those who also misunderstand the bible.

Unlike the selfish ones here...God is merciful beyond what the religionists spout. Actually, many who claim "exclusivism" will be rejected from God on judgment day...Perfect Pharisees these are.

The pope says that too epi . He beleives in inclusivism .
He can and he will lip word for word what you just wrote about THERE IS ONE way to the FATHER , that is through CHRIST
one mediator between the Father and humanity .
The thing is HE and oprah wimphrey and scores of others who can also LIP that
Believe in inclusivism . people on a higher walk , unbelievers and false religoins on a lower walk .
BOTH they beleived are saved and okay and shall not perish .
In other words THEY cliam to BELIEVE but cliam and make the implication its not necessary TO BELEIVE .
like you epi . You always attacking the reminder , the dire reminder ONE MUST BELIEVE in CHRIST JESUS .
You know full well what you beleive epi . And trying to cloak things without fully explaining it
is not hidden at all from me my friend . I KNOW what inclusvism teaches .
I often have said many can CLIAM to believe and will cliam to beleive
and yet DENY the one true gospel of CHRIST . the part that is sure to say YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM .
know anyone like that epi .

 

[Lizbeth]

I hadn't noticed this...since I have many fluff providers here on ignore. Those who troll my threads for no reason but to justify their egos...I don't respond to mostly...unless their folly is such that it needs responding to.

Regarding the Pope and his statement about all religions leading to God. I disagree wholeheartedly. The reason that some might think that I believe that is because they are themselves stuck in a dogmatic jail...having zero discernment and no understanding of the bible at all.

There is only one way to the Father...and that is through Christ...the one Mediator between the Father and humanity. I have only stated that hundreds of times. But the blind and the deaf here will see that as my omission rather than see their own bent, blindness and deafness.


Unlike others here, I operate in truth and reality not some religious factory setting. I cannot be judged by the carnal religious ones here...I can only be misunderstood by those who also misunderstand the bible.

Unlike the selfish ones here...God is merciful beyond what the religionists spout. Actually, many who claim "exclusivism" will be rejected from God on judgment day...Perfect Pharisees these are.

ok, that is good to know, thanks for answering that.

What do you think of the verse that says our new man has been created after the image of He who created him? And what that implies.

 

[David in NJ]

yep i made mention of that there same thing my friend . WE are gonna HONOR GOD , HONOR CHRIST .
now hands up cause its time to praise and to thank the glorious LORD .

CHRIST is our Savior and we will not bow the knee to another.

Save your heartbreak for yourself and those whom you believe are condemned…..the tables may well turn on you and perhaps you will find yourself barred from the door of salvation…..

You always accuse us of “not having Christ”, when we do indeed have him as our savior and redeemer. No one denies his role in our salvation….but he does not have to be God to do that…in fact he cannot be God and do that. He is the divine son of God, but divinity is not necessarily deity.
Look up “theos” in a Greek Interlinear….you keep avoiding this like the plague for obvious reasons.

God is immortal and cannot die…..Jesus as his created son was not immortal and could volunteer to step in to the role of redeemer……but what was the price of redemption? A sinless life had to be offered for the sinless life that Adam lost for his children, because that is what atonement is…..”at-one-ment”…”one for one”….Jesus had to become the exact equivalent of Adam….100% mortal human….he could not be a God/man because that would not be the redemption price….it would be a ridiculous overpayment…..like having 500 trillion cans of bug spray to kill one mosquito.
God cannot become one of his own creation…..and the ransom demanded did not require it.

You always accuse us of “not having Christ”, when we do indeed have him as our savior and redeemer. No one denies his role in our salvation

If you never fell down before the Lord Jesus Christ in love, worship and adoration = then you never experienced Salvation

SALVATION is a Person = and that PERSON is the Lord Jesus Christ = the only begotten Son of the FATHER

'Jehovah' Speaks, Instructs and Commands you this TRUTH = Psalm 16 & Psalm 18 & Psalm 62

Preserve me, O Elohim, for in You I put my trust.
2O my soul, you have said to the YHWH
“You are my Adonai
My goodness is nothing apart from You.”
3As for the saints who are on the earth,
“They are the excellent ones, in whom is all my delight.”

I will love You, O Lord, my strength.
2The YHWH is my rock and my REFUGE and my Deliverer;
My Eli, my strength, in whom I will trust;
My shield and the horn of my Salvation, my stronghold.
3I will call upon the Lord, who is worthy to be praised;
So shall I be saved from my enemies.

Truly my soul silently waits for Elohim
From Him comes my Salvation.
2He only is my Rock and my Salvation;
He is my defense;
I shall not be greatly moved.

 

[Episkopos]

What applies to me perfectly, is the Blood Atonement that has reconciled me to God.., for eternity.

That Blood Atonement is the Cross of Christ that you continue to deny as doing this for the Believer in Yeshua.

You think you can claim the blood atonement for yourself...as if God rewards self-seekers. But you are way off and ignorant of how God thinks.

The blood atonement is for the whole world.

The resurrection life is for those who enter into Christ...His saints. He was raised for "our" justification (the "our" is the saints)

Unless Christ be resurrected from the dead, no one could walk in His life.

This is so far above and beyond a simplistic religious fabrication...that you will only find the simplest ideas and pervert them to criticize what you can't understand. All you want is forgiveness...not Christ. You are like a woman that only wants what a husband can provide her. No love there.

 

[David in NJ]

You think you can claim the blood atonement for yourself...as if God rewards self-seekers. But you are way off and ignorant of how God thinks.

The blood atonement is for the whole world.

The resurrection life is for those who enter into Christ...His saints. He was raised for "our" justification (the "our" is the saints)

Unless Christ be resurrected from the dead, no one could walk in His life.

This is so far above and beyond a simplistic religious fabrication...that you will only find the simplest ideas and pervert them to criticize what you can't understand. All you want is forgiveness...not Christ. You are like a woman that only wants what a husband can provide her. No love there.

The blood atonement is for the whole world.

ABSOLUTELY TRUE with this CAVEAT = John 3:16-19


For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. 18Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

19And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.”

 

[Behold]

You think you can claim the blood atonement for yourself..

The proof the "blood atonement" is eternally imputed to a Believer : is proven by them becoming a : CHRISTian.

A.) Being Born again, is the proof that the Blood Atonement, has been completed regarding the : BELIEVER.

This is the reason they are become : "IN Christ".


Welcome To : Salvation.

Its apparent that you have no understanding of it at all, yet.

The blood atonement is for the whole world.

The Blood Atonement is the CROSS of CHRIST, and your silly Calvinism will not allow you to believe that its for : = all the World.

The resurrection life is for those who enter into Christ...

Everyone who has received the "Blood Atonement" has become "The Righteousness of God, IN CHRIST".

They are those....= The CHRISTians, who have "entered into CHRIST"... already = by being Born....again.

A 6 yr old in their first Sunday School Class has learned this, and you are 30+ yrs into theology and still have no idea, no understand of this basic Soteriology principle.

Unless Christ be resurrected from the dead, no one could walk in His life.

The resurrection of Jesus, bodily, proves that when Jesus said from the Cross...."IT IS FINISHED".........is True.

What did He "finish"?

A.) SALVATiON, as the Blood Atonement, as the "Gift of Righteousness".

This is so far above and beyond a simplistic religious fabrication.

Your redundant hybrid nonsense theology, that makes no truthful sense at all... when compared to "Justification by Faith" and the "imputed righteousness of Christ"... is trying laughable.....were it not for the fact that its allowed to continue try to deceive Christians on a "christian forum". @Episkopos

 

[David in NJ]

Thank you Aunty for all the compliments.

It's beyond my understanding that you miss the mystery of the incarnation, 2 natures that melt together.

One more thing -

Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.”
Joh 8:57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
Joh 8:59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

Jesus referring to the burning bush revelation to Moses

Ex 3:13 Then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?”
Ex 3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

The Jews understood what Jesus was saying about Himself, you don't see it, pity.

You may have the last word, it seems to be all in vain.

Thank you Aunty for all the compliments.

Love me some Good lol

 

[amigo de christo]

ABSOLUTELY TRUE with this CAVEAT = John 3:16-19


For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. 18Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

19And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.”

HE WONT preach that . he tricked lizbeth and he answered well as does many an inclusivian .
You wont get him to PREACH the one true gospel of YE MUST BELIEVE .

 

[David in NJ]

HE WONT preach that . he tricked lizbeth and he answered well as does many an inclusivian .
You wont get him to PREACH the one true gospel of YE MUST BELIEVE .

The last great deception is FULLY directed at every word in the GOSPEL, beginning in Genesis, and the Deity of LORD Jesus Christ.


And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Only One GOSPEL of TRUTH:
Only One God and FATHER of TRUTH, Only One LORD Jesus Christ of TRUTH and One HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH

 

[Marvelloustime]

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

HE WONT preach that . he tricked lizbeth and he answered well as does many an inclusivian .
You wont get him to PREACH the one true gospel of YE MUST BELIEVE .

@amigo de christo
Satan also answered well in the Garden of Eden.

 

[amigo de christo]

The last great deception is FULLY directed at every word in the GOSPEL, beginning in Genesis, and the Deity of LORD Jesus Christ.


And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Only One GOSPEL of TRUTH:
Only One God and FATHER of TRUTH, Only One LORD Jesus Christ of TRUTH and One HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH

TO the trenches one and all and contend for the true faith . The last hours battle is upon us all . The cost will be the cost .

 

[David in NJ]

@amigo de christo
Satan also answered well in the Garden of Eden.
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COMING SOON to a Earth near you!

So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. - Rev 12:9

 

[Episkopos]

The proof the "blood atonement" is eternally imputed to a Believer : is proven by them becoming a : CHRISTian.

A.) Being Born again, is the proof that the Blood Atonement, has been completed regarding the : BELIEVER.

This is the reason they are become : "IN Christ".


Welcome To : Salvation.

Its apparent that you have no understanding of it at all, yet.



The Blood Atonement is the CROSS of CHRIST, and your silly Calvinism will not allow you to believe that its for : = all the World.



Everyone who has received the "Blood Atonement" has become "The Righteousness of God, IN CHRIST".

They are those....= The CHRISTians, who have "entered into CHRIST"... already = by being Born....again.

A 6 yr old in their first Sunday School Class has learned this, and you are 30+ yrs into theology and still have no idea, no understand of this basic Soteriology principle.



The resurrection of Jesus, bodily, proves that when Jesus said from the Cross...."IT IS FINISHED".........is True.

What did He "finish"?

A.) SALVATiON, as the Blood Atonement, as the "Gift of Righteousness".



Your redundant hybrid nonsense theology, that makes no truthful sense at all... when compared to "Justification by Faith" and the "imputed righteousness of Christ"... is trying laughable.....were it not for the fact that its allowed to continue try to deceive Christians on a "christian forum". @Episkopos

The cross is not about forgiveness. Forgiveness is covered by "you reap as you sow."

Jesus taught us to pray..."forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"

Then there is the parable of the unforgiving servant who was forgiven his great debt but then was no longer forgiven since he didn't forgive another his much smaller debt.

Then there is the description of God treating us the way we treat others. God is merciful to the merciful. He forgives us as we forgive others

Notice in Ps. 18

The LORD has rewarded me according to my righteousness;
He has repaid me according to the cleanness of my hands....
To the faithful You show Yourself faithful, to the blameless You show Yourself blameless; to the pure You show Yourself pure, but to the crooked You show Yourself shrewd.
For You save an afflicted people,
but You humble those with haughty eyes.

Now, for your scheme (the cross being about forgiveness) to work God would have had to decide that instead of treating people as they treat others, realizing that hypocrites expect mercy for themselves without extending that mercy to others, Hey...I think I'll die for those hypocrites so they don't have to learn mercy or humility...

However, if that was true than Jesus would not have said...Woe to you hypocrites...NO, He would have said...Blessed are you hypocrites since by My cross I can forgive those who don't forgive others...

In truth the cross is not about forgiveness, OBVIOUSLY... it is about making people holy, taking away the power of sin by crucifying the outer man so that the inner man can receive an eternal life to walk as Jesus walked.
The cross is sanctification for those who die with Him. And sanctifying into eternity those whom are shown mercy by God on judgment day. Anything else is a lie from hell.