The two witnessss

[Douggg]

I'm going to fill you in on a few things you might be unaware of,because it appears you are pretty wrapped up in your own world.


Benjamin netanyahu has stated that he wants everyone in Israel to receive microchip implants.
He said he will enact legislation for this cause.He has since been trying to change laws and take control of the supreme court circumventing Israel checks and balances.

In the meantime Donald Trump has stated he is a deliverer and that he will save Israel.He says only he can keep Israel safe and that he will usher in long lasting peace and will make Israel safe.


You may want to start paying attention to the actual leaders of Israel and the world.

There have been plenty of accusations of politicians being the Antichrist. For example, Prince Charles, Henry Kissinger, Ronald Regan.

The person who becomes the Antichrist my be a Jew. And be from the European area. Start looking for a a candidate that fits. It is not that far away, until it can be determined who the person is. I am keeping an eye on Zelensky. Too early to tell for certain.

 

[tailgator]

There have been plenty of accusations of politicians being the Antichrist. For example, Prince Charles, Henry Kissinger, Ronald Regan.

The person who becomes the Antichrist my be a Jew. And be from the European area. Start looking for a a candidate that fits. It is not that far away, until it can be determined who the person is. I am keeping an eye on Zelensky. Too early to tell for certain.


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Donald Trump says he is a deliverer and he will save Israel.

No one is accusing him of being Israels deliverer,He says he is himself.


As for Netanyahu.,he also speaks for himself.He is the head of Israel just as Herod was king of the Jews.If he wants his subjects to be marked ,then I expect his subjects will be marked.

 

[Douggg]

You said the EU nations are governing Jerusalem and it says the nations take Jerusalem from them.

From who ? What verse are you talking about.

The kingdom of the beast-king will be the EU.

The city of Jerusalem will not be taken from the beast king and the EU. The other armies of the kings of the earth, in addition to the EU armies, will surround Jerusalem and vicinity and occupy Jerusalem, taking half the city as hostages.

There in Jerusalem, on the temple mount, is where the beast-king will meet his end.

 

[tailgator]

From who ? What verse are you talking about.

The kingdom of the beast-king will be the EU.

The city of Jerusalem will not be taken from the beast king and the EU. The other armies of the kings of the earth, in addition to the EU armies, will surround Jerusalem and vicinity and occupy Jerusalem, taking half the city as hostages.

There in Jerusalem, on the temple mount, is where the beast-king will meet his end.



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Can you not read the words "the city shall be taken"?

"the city shall be taken, "

Zech 14
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.


According to your theory,the nations take the city of Jerusalem from the nations.

 

[Douggg]

Can you not read the words "the city shall be taken"?

"the city shall be taken, "

Zech 14
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.


According to your theory,the nations take the city of Jerusalem from the nations.

Taken not from someone, but taken as in densely occupied as the kings of the earth's armies move in as part of the kings of the earth strategy to keep Jesus from executing judgment on them. The troops will rape the women and pilfer the homes of the city.

 

[tailgator]

Taken not from someone, but taken as in densely occupied as the kings of the earth's armies move in as part of the kings of the earth strategy to keep Jesus from executing judgment on them. The troops will rape the women and pilfer the homes of the city.

Taken as in the city is taken.
It has a new ownership for a few days till they are roasted.Im.sure they will celebrate their win for at least a few days.

 

[Douggg]

Taken as in the city is taken.
It has a new ownership for a few days till they are roasted.Im.sure they will celebrate their win for at least a few days.

Not taken in that manner. Jerusalem will be in the hands of the beast-king and false prophet for 42 months. And that is where both the beast-king and the false prophet will meet their end - on the temple mount. Where Satan will also be, indwelling the statue image of the beast, making it appear to be alive and speak.

 

[tailgator]

Not taken in that manner. Jerusalem will be in the hands of the beast-king and false prophet for 42 months. And that is where both the beast-king and the false prophet will meet their end - on the temple mount. Where Satan will also be, indwelling the statue image of the beast, making it appear to be alive and speak.

Yes it will be taken in that manner.

"The city will be taken"

It will be a time of great tribulation when them in judea flee to the mountains to hide in the dens of the mountains.Then they will say to the mountains ,fall on us.

There will be a great earthquake on that today and a cloud departing from Jerusalem as a scroll being rolled together


Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?



Luke 23
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.



A great earthquake just like the day the two witnesses ascend into heaven in a cloud..Imagine that.

 

[tailgator]

Not taken in that manner. Jerusalem will be in the hands of the beast-king and false prophet for 42 months. And that is where both the beast-king and the false prophet will meet their end - on the temple mount. Where Satan will also be, indwelling the statue image of the beast, making it appear to be alive and speak.

Hey Doug
Do you know what they call a cloud that departs as a scroll being rolled together?

Revelation 6
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

This specific cloud has a name.Do you know what it's called?

 

[Douggg]

It will be a time of great tribulation when them in judea flee to the mountains to hide in the dens of the mountains.Then they will say ,fall on us.

Nothing in Revelation 6, the sixth seal event, about fleeing.

 

[tailgator]

Nothing in Revelation 6, the sixth seal event, about fleeing.

So you don't believe anyone flees to the mountains where the Dens are ?

Revelation 6

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:




How do you suppose they get to the dens of the mountains ,seeing you say no one flees to them ?

 

[Douggg]

So you don't believe anyone flees to the mountains where the Dens are ?

Revelation 6

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:




How do you suppose they get to the dens of the mountains ,seeing you say no one flees to them ?

There are caves not in mountains.

Also, the reaction to seeing Jesus before the Throne of God, sickle in hand will be world wide.

 

[tailgator]

There are caves not in mountains.

Also, the reaction to seeing Jesus before the Throne of God, sickle in hand will be world wide.


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The word of God says they are in the dens of the mountains

You saying God is wrong?

Revelation 6

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:



The mountains is where they flee after the earthquakes and see the great terrible sights in the heavens caused by kingdom rising against kingdom.



Luke 21

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

 

[tailgator]

There are caves not in mountains.

Also, the reaction to seeing Jesus before the Throne of God, sickle in hand will be world wide.


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First you say the people of Judea don't flee to the mountains ,then you say they are not in the mountains

Do you always contradict the word of God or only when someone points something out to you?
Honestly ,it feels like a waste of time to say anything to you.


Luke 23
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.




If they had not fled to the mountains,then how are the occupants of Judea telling the mountains they are in ,to fall on them?

 

[Douggg]

The word of God says they are in the dens of the mountains

okay, I will admit that, regarding that part of Revelation 6:15.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

But when you read verses 16 and 17, it indicates those persons in verse 15 are the wicked.

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The mountains is where they flee after the earthquakes and see the great terrible sights in the heavens caused by kingdom rising against kingdom.

Luke 21

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

Luke 21:10-11 continues to Luke 21:20-24 as the 70 AD event.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Luke 21:25 then picks up in the end times, at the end of the great tribulation in the end times, after the times of the Gentiles has been fulfilled.

 

[tailgator]

okay, I will admit that, regarding that part of Revelation 6:15.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

But when you read verses 16 and 17, it indicates those persons in verse 15 are the wicked.

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


Luke 21:10-11 continues to Luke 21:20-24 as the 70 AD event.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Luke 21:25 then picks up in the end times, at the end of the great tribulation in the end times, after the times of the Gentiles has been fulfilled.

Luke 21 is about the end times.The Jews being led away captive takes place on the day of the Lord when the nations have overcome Israel.(Zechariah 14:2- Amos 5:27)From the earthquakes in Luke 21:10 (Revelation 6:12 sixth seal)to Christ redeeming his followers in Luke 21:28 (Revelation 14:1).
It's all about the events in Israel leading up to Christs coming.Even the beast and false prophet are in that chapter.




Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Douggg]

Luke 21 is about the end times.

Part of Luke 21 is. Luke 21:25-36 is end time..

To know that Luke 21:10-24 is talking about the period leading up to the 70AD event - destruction of the temple, read verses 5-7.

Jesus and the disciples were at the temple, and some there spoke about the grandeur of the temple (verse 5). Then in verse 6, Jesus told them the days will come when the temple would be destroyed.

Then in verse 7, the disciples ask them when the destruction of the temple would take place and what would the sign be that it is about to take place.

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I think in verse 11, Jesus is talking about the great span of the next 2000 years to the end times. But, when continuing to read, it is necessary to separate in one's interpretation the parts that would take place back in the first century from the parts that would take place in the end times.

I think we both agree that verses 25-36 are end times.

 

[tailgator]

Part of Luke 21 is. Luke 21:25-36 is end time..

To know that Luke 21:10-24 is talking about the period leading up to the 70AD event - destruction of the temple, read verses 5-7.

Jesus and the disciples were at the temple, and some there spoke about the grandeur of the temple (verse 5). Then in verse 6, Jesus told them the days will come when the temple would be destroyed.

Then in verse 7, the disciples ask them when the destruction of the temple would take place and what would the sign be that it is about to take place.

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I think in verse 11, Jesus is talking about the great span of the next 2000 years to the end times. But, when continuing to read, it is necessary to separate in one's interpretation the parts that would take place back in the first century from the parts that would take place in the end times.

I think we both agree that verses 25-36 are end times.

The false prophets who arrive in Israel in Jesus name has not taken place yet.
That takes place here

Revelation 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.


After the arrival of the false prophets in Jesus name,then the persecution in Luke 21 will be fulfilled .These are the saints who do not worship the beast,it's image or recieve it's mark.

After the tribulation ,Christ comes in the clouds of heaven and sends his angels to gather together his elect.


Like I said.The beast and the false prophet is in the Olivet discourse.Its all there from the arrival of the false prophet to the coming of Christ.

 

[Timtofly]

@Jay Ross

The seventh angel sounding announces what the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth will be.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


Where is "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens" found ? It is found in Revelation 11:15. Rejoicing great voices.

Where is "and ye that dwell in them" found ? It is found in Revelation 11:16-18. The 24 elders rejoicing.

The third woe is Satan's wrath, knowing his time is short - the time, times, half time in Revelation 12:14.

That Jesus was already reigning is not blasphemy, or John's own writing would be blasphemy:

Jesus is the 7th Kingdom. Satan is the 8th kingdom. Jesus is not the 8th kingdom after Satan. The 7th Trumpet declares Jesus is the 7th World Kingdom leader, by being King over all kingdoms, plural. That is the 7th Kingdom. There is an 8th kingdom after that 7th Kingdom. The Kingdom of Christ is the 7th Trumpet. The kingdom of Satan's mystery Babylon is the third woe, after the 7th Kingdom.

Revelation 17:10-11

"And there are seven kings: five are fallen, (Babylon, Medes and Persians, Greece, Rome, and the "Holy Roman Empire") and one is (the current mortally non-existent one world kingdom), and the other is not yet come (Jesus is the short 7th Kingdom, and leader, for 3.5 days, if there is an 8th Kingdom); and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (Daniel 9:27 if the covenant is confirmed, there may or may not be an 8th kingdom, depending on the result, that has not been determined yet) And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Satan is the 8th kingdom as the third woe) "

No, Jesus and Satan do not co-reign. Jesus and the 144k wait on heavenly Mount Zion on white horses during the 42 months of Satan's mystery Babylon, while only 2 individuals as the 2 witnesses are the only humans on earth doing God's will. Any converts are only converted upon having their head cut off. Obviously converts do not live after having their head cut off.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Christians draw attention to the end of Daniel 11 and the entire chapter of Daniel 12 as prophecies of the End Times, which we are in. We are trying to figure out the Witnesses, who they, when they will arrive and the Antichrist. Who is he? With all the has happenned recently ont the Middle East, Iran's proxy wars against Israel, the Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc ; one would think the Ayatolah Khamenei is the Antichrist. He is 85 and his regime seems to be losing. Do the have nukes? Maybe. Is he the king of the north though? Maybe not. Assad was just overthrown. Is this new guy the one who will start a New Caliphate and rally all Muslims against the world?
A key scripture if where this Kong of the north sets up camp:
And he shall plant the tents of his palace between the seas and the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and no one will help him. Dan. 11:45
So between Jerusalem and the seas. What seas? Mediterranean must be one. Being that he is the King of the North, could that be the Black sea? If so, Ankara is between Jerusalem and the seas.
Could Tyyip Erdogan, be this King of the North?
Maybe that Iran has been weakened and Assad is gone, he will move in?