The two witnessss
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Did not say that, I said I wanted to hear you on how John and Jesus are the two witnesses that died in the book of Revelation and were not buried or given a graves.
And I am holding on because I know you cannot do it and you know it too otherwise you wouldnt be stalling and going back and forth like this.
However, I do realize that you know you messed up, and have realized that to go forward is a catch 22 to go any forward with it (which would need you to deny the gospel truth concerning Jesus Christ in that situation). I was holding on because of you tagged me (not I you) mocking me with all your, "chruch-ianity" and "of the wisdom of man" tude you were giving out. Unfortunately, that also makes it far more difficult for you to confess you were wrong. Afterall that would make you of everything you were dishing out earlier on. And I despise getting tagged only to be given much of the same as you were given out just to be "taught something" it happens ever once and awhile and I think, " Oh great, not again"...and so I paused and was enjoying this a little. You know, so things dont "pent up".
So I will leave off of asking what I know you cannot do. But in the future it would be far better not to do that, just treat people without these backhanded comments so that if you end up screwing up (and have difficulties saying, I am wrong, or sorry, or whatever) it will be far easier to say, "hey, thanks, I did not catch this or that part" I think I might have to change my mind here.
And that would be it. Its easy to do, but harder when you running around elbowing others with "hey, church-ianity"! and you find out your wrong about the thing, only to appear far more foolish.
I am leaving off of this conversation now, because I am feeling foolish myself for enjoying myself too long doing this to you.
God bless
edit: typo
Earburner
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What hook? That you want a quick answer of either/or?
I am answering directly, but you won't come forward to agree or disagree about the basic spiritual origin of the two witnesses, whether they are "the two anointed ones" of God or not!
Until that's answered, you can't conclude anything about a future "two witnesses" to come, nor can I elaborate in detail on the truth about the past of "two witnesses" that did come.
You may say that I am "off the hook", but it's you that is still on it, always wondering.
Thanks for the discussion,
Earburner
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Work on making a time line chart that shows the 1260 days of the two witnesses. And post it. And we will compare.
Your timeline chart does not have to be as elaborate as mine. But try to show some critical events and their duration.
Earburner
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Alot of human bluster and patting yourself on the back.
Good job "Verily". You managed to defeat yourself, all by yourself. You win!!
ScottA
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Exposed for not making you a chart so you could understand the word of God?
That is rediculous.
ScottA
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Typical psychological projection defense. The fact that you "understand" only makes it worse.
ScottA
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Yes, his responses are like mindless and repeated AI generated trolling, like in a chat when you're not actually talking with a real person.
Not only that ,his chart is blasphemous.
On the day the two witnesses ascend into heaven and Christ reigns,his chart shows the two witnesses ascend into heaven and the beast reigns.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt this say our Lord and his Messiah reigns?
Revelation 11
15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”
Look at his chart.it says the beast begins to reign at this time.
No. Here is what Revelation 11:15 says kjv.... kingdoms plural.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
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Now go to Matthew 4:8-9 to find out whose kingdoms they were prior to the seventh trumpet sounding.
Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
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The seventh angel sounding begins the process of taking the kingdoms of this world out from under Satan's grip. The third woe to the inhabters of the earth when the seventh angel sounds is in Revelation 12:12....
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
The short time Satan will have left is the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14.
The third woe is shown on my chart....
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The seventh Trump which is the last trump to be sounded is the day Christ comes and the dead are raised.It is when the kingdom of this earth becomes the kingdom of Christ .
You claim to he beast reigns over Christs kingdom and all the dead that are raised by Christ for 42 months.
No where does this say it is a process .As Paul said,this takes place in the twinkling of an eye.
Revelation 11
15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”
16 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:
“We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,
the One who is and who was,
because you have taken your great power
and have begun to reign.
18 The nations were angry,
and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your people who revere your name,
both great and small—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”
What you peach is blasphemy. The beast does not reign with Christ or over Christ.
This is when the two witnesses are attacked and killed.Then the Lord comes and fights against the beast and the ten kings.
Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Refered to as the day of the Lord.This is when the seventh Trump sounds and the Lord shall be king over the earth as revelation 11 says.
Zech 14
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
It is on this day the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire.The beast does not reign with Christ for 42 months.That is blasphemy .The beast does not continue to reign after the last trump is blown.The beast is consumed.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth
It does not take the Lord 42 months to destroy the beast once the seventh and last trump is blown.
Revelation 11
18 The nations were angry,
and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your people who revere your name,
both great and small—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”
The beast does not reign for another 42 months with Christ.
Revelation 11
18 The nations were angry,
and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your people who revere your name,
both great and small—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”
The beast does not reign for another 42 months with Christ.
Look at my chart. I show the 42 months of the beast's reign as being before Jesus's return.
And I show that when Jesus returns, the beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire.
In 1Corinthains15:42 , Paul dd not say the last trump would be the seventh trumpet.
Paul was using the "last trump" phrase as a figure of speech, based on how a series of trumpets were used to assemble and move forward the camp in the days of the Exodus.
Also in 1Thessalonians4:16, "the trump of God" is in that text and is not called the seventh trumpet.
The rapture/resurrection event will take place before the Antichrist commits the ToD act of 2Thessalonians2:4. The rapture window is on the left side of my chart.
Look at my chart. I show the 42 months of the beast's reign as being before Jesus's return.
And I show that when Jesus returns, the beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire.
The last trump is not a figure of speech.
The last trump is the seventh Trump of revelation when Christ comes and raises the dead as revelation 11 shows.It is also the time God destroys them who destroy the earth (the beast).
But you say the beast will reign after Christ is given the kingdom and Christ reigns over the earth.
You chart is blasphemy.
Jesus returns at the seventh Trump . That is when the kingdkms of this world are given to Christ and he reigns.The beast does not reign after the seventh Trump.
The dead are judged at Christs coming in revelation 11.Revelation 11 says it is time the dead are judged.
Revelation11
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Do you think the beast is going to reward the prophets and judge the dead?Good grief ,you chart is blasphemy and you are wanting others to blaspheme with you .
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