THE TWO GOSPEL HERESY

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Not only read to believe, but become disciple in the whole story and believe.

Because in them Jesus calls us not only to be 'hearers' of His word/teaching, but also 'doers'.

Hence, not only 'believe' in His word/teaching and Him, but also 'abide' by every one of them.

He said for such a 'hearer' and a 'doer' at the same time, is liken unto a wise builder who build his house on the rock.

On the other hand, for such is a 'hearer' and not a 'doer', is liken unto a foolish builder, who build his house on the sand.

Decide you who believe, which 'house' or 'denoimination', will stand the test of time?

Because apparently when calamity strikes both, the foolish one's on the sand did fall and with a great fall it fell.

There's only one Gospel even put together with Paul's, ministered to the Jews and Gentiles period

Shalom because of Jesus Christ
God points! "Building your house on a rock" is symbolic for Jesus, He is the rock. And so the people who do have Him as their foundational rock, build their house on the sand (all other religions and paths that lead to destruction) and they will perish.
 

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You were told what you believe.

You are describing yourself.


If you own a bible ,please note that the Gospel to the gentiles was revealed to Peter years before Paul ever became a believer.

No verse in a bible teaches what you just posted.

To begin with, there was no 'NT Church", when Jesus was on earth, so, No "gospel"

Later, after Jesus's Cross created the " NT Church"... Jesus gave to Paul, the "Gospel"

Eventually, in Acts 15, Peter learned the Gospel from Paul.
 

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Paul's proclamation to the pagans in Athens did mention both a call to repentance from worshiping idols and Christ's resurrection and future judgment. So there is some commonality there between Jesus, Peter, and Paul. Repentance.

29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.” (Acts 17:29-31)
 
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Jesus didn't preach the Gospel of His own death and resurrection

John 2:18-22
“Jesus answered and said to them, 'Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.' Then the Jews said, 'It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?' But he was speaking of the temple of his body. When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he said this; and they believed the Scripture, and the word which Jesus had spoken.”



Matthew 12:39-40
Luke 11:29
Jesus said, “An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign shall be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth”



Matthew 16:21
Mark 8:31
Luke 9:21
“Jesus began to show to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day”



John 10:17-18
Jesus said, “Therefore my Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again”



Matthew 27:62-64
“On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate saying, 'Sir, we remember, while he was still alive, how that deceiver said, "After three days I will rise." Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night and steal Him away, and say to the people, "He has risen from the dead." So the last deception will be worse than the first”



Matthew 17:22-23
Mark 9:30
Luke 9:43
Jesus said, “The Son of Man is about to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill him, and he will be raised on the third day”



Matthew 20:17-19
Mark 10:32
Luke 18:31
"And as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the twelve disciples aside, and on the way he said to them, 'See we are going up to Jerusalem. And the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and scribes, and they will condemn him to death and deliver him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified, and he will be raised on the third day"



John 12:7-8
Jesus said, "Leave her alone, so that she may keep it for the day of my burial. 8 For the poor you always have with you, but you do not always have me."



John 3:14
Jesus said, “Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up”



John 12:23
“Jesus answered them, saying, “The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain.”



John 10:17-18
Jesus said, “Therefore my Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again”
 

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Paul's proclamation to the pagans in Athens did mention both a call to repentance from worshiping idols and Christ's resurrection and future judgment. So there is some commonality there between Jesus, Peter, and Paul. Repentance.

Paul's "repentance", that is related to Idol worship or false god worship, is this type of repentance.

Turn from UNBELIEF, to Faith in Christ.

See, when you believe in the Goddess Diana, or whatever God you have placed your faith in, then that is unbelief in = regarding the Truth.. and Jesus is THE Truth.

So, real repentance, is not to stop behavior issues.. its to turn to FAITH in Christ.... from Unbelief which can be BELIEF in a False God to REAL Faith, that is to BELIEVE In Jesus.

"from unbelief to FAITH in Christ' is real repentance.
 
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I have over the last 5 years or so come in contact with this heresy by teachers such as Les Feldick and Robert breaker and a couple of others, of this idea of that there are two Gospels.
They separate the two gospels as:
1) the gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus and John and Peter and James preached, and they tell you that that that's the gospel of the kingdom it has to do with law and works that they did not understand in Jesus himself did not understand the gospel of grace.
2) Now on the other hand, they will tell you that there's the true gospel that Paul preach which is the gospel of grace that we are saved by grace and these false gospel people ,(Jesus James John and Peter), have a certain gospel that is works based, and work centered, and it's different than the gospel that Paul preached.

I'm wondering if anybody else has come across such of a teaching?
Good question. Something to think about. One thing I think about is the peculiar wording of
1 John 2:7-8 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you have heard from the beginning. [8] Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shines.

The only way that makes sense to me is along side Romans 7:13-14 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. [14] For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

What that says to me in relation to 1 John 2:7-8 is for we know the law is spiritual, where it’s not a new commandment but the commandment we have had from the beginning, but because of sin and being carnal…it appears as a New Commandment because the carnal man sold under sin refused that which was from the beginning.

Maybe what those saying there are two gospels is getting at is …it’s hard to ignore Paul spoke differently in relation to who he was speaking to. Some needing milk. Others having moved on to meat. For example why did Paul speak to some on the ministration of sin unto death, yet then to others on obedience unto righteousness? It’s hard to ignore some take things as literal focused on earthly things, offended if it not regarding earthly things. Others take it as speaking of spitball things(strangest autocorrect EVER, have to leave that one. I meant “spiritual things”) , heavenly things. There is an angst between the two. There is having to speak to you as yet carnal. Is this a different gospel or preparing you to receive the spiritual things. Why did Jesus tell His disciples also they were still yet carnal and He had so many things to tell them but they could not bear it yet? However when the Spirit of truth come, they would remember what He told them and understand. Is there a spirit of error and a Spirit of truth? I can see how that comes off as two gospels. To me it all goes back to that which you had from the beginning, but sin blinded you from seeing that True Light which now shines unto those held captive to the darkness. There is the ministration of sin unto death…and the ministration of obedience unto Righteousness. There is an Adulterous Woman and a Woman who is made clean, free. Is she the same Woman? Same as There is the Old man, and the New Man? Two gospels? Even in churches today there is a gospel to the old man that he must die. There is hell, fire and brimstone spoken to that Old Man telling that old man he must die. Is this not the ministration of sin unto death? Where it is Mourn you sinners! Humble yourselves before God and Christ will lift you up. Yet, unto the New man it is edification and rebuilding “until Christ be formed in you”: one ministration unto death, one unto Life.

Also 2 Corinthians 2:15-17 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: [16] To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. (But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good) And who is sufficient for these things? [17] For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.


And 2 Corinthians 3:5-9 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; [6] Who also has made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit giveth life. [7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: [8] How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? [9] For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

There is surely the ministration of death, written and engraved in stones. The ministration of condemnation.

And also the ministration of the spirit, not of the letter, being able ministers of the New Testament.
One is done away with…
The real question is not whether or not there are two gospels, but which one we are ministers of? Death or Life? The New Testament is for edification of the body? The Old Testament is for destroying that old man body, unprofitable unto God? Take off the old man, put on the New? John the Baptist “
John 3:30-33 He must increase, but I must decrease. [31] He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all.(I only say and do what I see My Father say and do.) [32] And what he has seen and heard, that he testifies; and no man receives his testimony. [33] He that has receives his testimony has set to his seal that God is true.

…having received His testimony has set to his seal that God is true.
^what we all hope for, right?
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings(having received His testimony, having this seal, that God is true), and might overcome when you are judged.
 
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Why did Jesus tell His disciples also they were still yet carnal and He had so many things to tell them but they could bear it yet?

Its because their Jewish mindset could not deal with God's Grace that was going to be given to the GENTILE's as The Cross of Christ.

See, The Cross of Christ, started "the time of the Gentiles" that is the NT Church.

GENTILES make up most of the NT Church, not Jews., and Jesus knew that if He told them that this was coming then they would not "be able to bear it".. not be able to understand it, and would resist it.

So, Jesus sent Paul.. a JEW,.. a PHARISEE, to take the information to the Jews, and to the Gentiles.. that the original apostles could not have dealt with, at the time that Jesus walked with them.

This is why you have Acts 15, in the NT, were the original Apostles met Paul and they had a conference, and Paul explained what was going on "in the the time of the Gentiles' that included HIS GOSPEL... that is "The preaching of the Cross'. "we preach Christ Crucified"..
 
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Its because their Jewish mindset could not deal with God's Grace that was going to be given to the GENTILE's as The Cross of Christ.
Agree. Mostly I see it as they couldn’t hear yet that it wasn’t about them but another. It was offensive not only to a Jewish mindset but to a religious mindset that the Gospel of Grace might be bearing what you can’t bear through the Grace of God, strength to bear …it might be for another, the bearing of Grace not for yourself but “Peter, do you love Me? feed My sheep!” “When you are converted (able to bear) Peter, strengthen your brothers). Agree wholeheartedly it would be hard for a Jewish mindset, but also for tons of church practices today which could not bear it yet either hearing it’s for others …that the Gospel of Grace is for those they wish not to be included. Is that mindset you speak of alive today …that despises, growling inwardly “not them God! No don’t go to them!” I do think a huge shocker will bring down high mindedness in God will Go to those least desirable to Religion. Just my opinion though. But it’s pretty clear it’s repeating where the Jewish mindset that hindered the gospel of Grace, is of the same religious mindset today that will exclude you in a heartbeat and be offended if you are included. Keepers of and for themselves.

GENTILES make up most of the NT Church, not Jews., and Jesus knew that if He told them that this was coming then they would not "be able to bear it".. not be able to understand it, and would resist it.
That should tell us something.
So, Jesus sent Paul.. a JEW,.. a PHARISEE, to take the information to the Jews, and to the Gentiles.. that the original apostles could not have dealt with, at the time that Jesus walked with them.
I don’t think God was cushioning the blow by sending Paul, but increasing it. Here is one of their own …one who imprisoned the body of Christ, and was there giving consent to Stephens death… Paul said himself that he was a waster and a destroyer. Which shuts the mouths of religion that “a waster” and “destroyers” can NOT be transformed. Also it highlights exactly who is the waster and destroyer. Where Religion says “it’s not us!” God sends Saul where Saul doesn’t want to go…Paul saying Galatians 1:23-24But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preaches the faith which once he destroyed. [24] And they glorified God in me.
 
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Galatians 1:6-12

King James Version

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 
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…that the Gospel of Grace is for those they wish not to be included.

In Acts 10 we find God helping Peter understand that everyone is included based on The Cross of Christ.

I don’t think God was cushioning the blow by sending Paul, but increasing it.

Paul is the "Apostle to the Gentiles" so, no other Apostle has that specific ministry.
So, because The Cross initiated "the time of the Gentiles", then "the Apostle to the Gentiles" is the ONE whom Jesus gave the "Gospel" that is specific to this situation.
This is why Paul calls the Gospel of the Grace of God... "MY Gospel". 3x in the NT.

One of the reasons that a bible student can read something that seems to contradict Paul's "justification without works"... is simply because not all the Apostle had the same the same revelation, at the same time.
So, for example, in the case of Peter, who met Paul's Gospel in Act 15... then obviously he wasn't preaching Paul's Gospel in Acts 2:38, as you can't preach or teach, what you yourself have not learned yet.

The ACTS of the Apostles is a 30 yr history, of what they did, and also when they learned..... over that 30 yrs period.
 
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Short commentary.
The suffering of Jesus Christ is at the heart of the Christian faith. The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ are central to the gospel message. The gospel is the good news that Jesus Christ died for our sins and was raised from the dead on the third day.
 
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Lambano said:
Jesus didn't preach the Gospel of His own death and resurrection
John 2:18-22
“Jesus answered and said to them, 'Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.' Then the Jews said, 'It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?' But he was speaking of the temple of his body. When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he said this; and they believed the Scripture, and the word which Jesus had spoken.”



Matthew 12:39-40
Luke 11:29
Jesus said, “An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign shall be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth”



Matthew 16:21
Mark 8:31
Luke 9:21
“Jesus began to show to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day”



John 10:17-18
Jesus said, “Therefore my Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again”



Matthew 27:62-64
“On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate saying, 'Sir, we remember, while he was still alive, how that deceiver said, "After three days I will rise." Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night and steal Him away, and say to the people, "He has risen from the dead." So the last deception will be worse than the first”



Matthew 17:22-23
Mark 9:30
Luke 9:43
Jesus said, “The Son of Man is about to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill him, and he will be raised on the third day”



Matthew 20:17-19
Mark 10:32
Luke 18:31
"And as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the twelve disciples aside, and on the way he said to them, 'See we are going up to Jerusalem. And the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and scribes, and they will condemn him to death and deliver him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified, and he will be raised on the third day"



John 12:7-8
Jesus said, "Leave her alone, so that she may keep it for the day of my burial. 8 For the poor you always have with you, but you do not always have me."



John 3:14
Jesus said, “Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up”



John 12:23
“Jesus answered them, saying, “The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain.”



John 10:17-18
Jesus said, “Therefore my Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again”
None of that qualifies as preaching a gospel of His own death and resurrection. IMHO
Did he say it was necessary to believe it for salvation?

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Short commentary.
The suffering of Jesus Christ is at the heart of the Christian faith. The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ are central to the gospel message. The gospel is the good news that Jesus Christ died for our sins and was raised from the dead on the third day.
But who's gospel message is that?
Jesus and the Apostles? Or Paul?

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But who's gospel message is that?
Jesus and the Apostles? Or Paul?

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Sorry , there was only 1 gospel , his name was Jesus, he is the good news...then we have the messenger who came after the death and resurrection of Jesus.
His name is the Holy Spirit.

The word “gospel” means news. It is the news about who Jesus Christ is, what He has done, and how that changes everything. The gospel, or the good news about Jesus, is the best and most important news you will ever hear. It's the most life-changing news you could ever share with someone else.
 
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@rebuilder 454 .

Galatians 1:6-12​

King James Version​

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Thank for posting this passage. It was refreshing this morning. Hopeful. What stands out to me in this passage is:

How soon you have been removed from him that called you unto the Grace of Christ unto another gospel.

Which is not another gospel.
^this is confusing but then it helps …it’s a perverted gospel of Christ. Today there does seem like another gospel, so much so it’s hard not to receive another perverted gospel of Christ.

Then “do not receive this another gospel” this reminds me of do not receive another spirit.
2 Corinthians 11:3-4 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. [4] For if he that comes preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if you receive another spirit, which you have not received, or another gospel, which you have not accepted, you might well bear with him.
We read the spirit of the world is unto bondage again…and how you have not received this spirit from God.

Then …some description of this another spirit is seeking to please men—where Paul says if I still yet seek to please men, I should not be a servant of Christ.

How the Gospel of Christ is not after man; neither is it received of men, and how Paul was taught the Gospel by the Revealing of Jesus Christ.

Scary is where it warns against perverting the gospel and how this another spirit; corrupts and perverts the gospel of Christ. Scary is thinking we haven’t received another spirit which corrupts and perverts the Word. If we have received any gospel after men, any gospel which appeals to the carnal man …then we have received another spirit. I have spent most of my life in subjection to another gospel and I believed it. I believed Song of Songs appealed to sexual desires. Hell, I believe most of the Bible was prevented and how God was male chauvinist, a tyrant, and a Judge eager to burn me in hell. I’ve been drawn to money making schemes on how God can make me rich. How everything is either sex, money, power anything we so desire and lust after…there are verses that another Jesus goes around corrupting and perverting what are the True Riches of God. How many man-made doctrines are there now? It’s scary to suggest but most of what I’ve been told God has promised to give to me..appealed to my carnal nature. If we are so certain we don’t still hear and listen to another Jesus, you got to ask if the Jesus Christ you listen to speaks of things above or things above. How often did Jesus talk about sex, money and power?

One gospel.
Yet why does it seem very real that there is another one… even don’t receive it, this other spirit, this other Jesus? The spirit of error? Yes there is only One Spirit of Truth. But there is also a spirit of error.
 

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acts 28
23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,

31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Paul preaching the gospel of the kingdom.
Jesus, Paul, James, Peter, and John were all on the same page.
You are implying Jesus preached a different gospel than Paul?
Your lack of understanding is this:

Paul was preaching to Jews. while they need to hear the message of the gospel the same as gentiles, how they are preached to is much different.
 

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Uh,no
That is heresy and it is a cake walk proving you wrong.

You say Jesus and Peter preached a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT gospel than Paul, correct?
Your doctrine pronounces a curse on Peter,James, John, And JESUS>

Galatians 1:8-9​

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.​

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

in Any other Gospel,the messenger is cursed.


Your doctrine is blatant heresy
You need to re read the gospels again and also John the Baptists message. It is not th esame as the church preaches.
 

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St. SteVen said:
But who's gospel message is that?
Jesus and the Apostles? Or Paul?
Sorry , there was only 1 gospel , his name was Jesus, he is the good news...then we have the messenger who came after the death and resurrection of Jesus.
His name is the Holy Spirit.

The word “gospel” means news. It is the news about who Jesus Christ is, what He has done, and how that changes everything. The gospel, or the good news about Jesus, is the best and most important news you will ever hear. It's the most life-changing news you could ever share with someone else.
I agree. But the point of this topic is to identify where the one gospel came from.
The gospel you presented is from the apostle Paul. IMHO

I don't agree with the one gospel position. But for those who do, who or what is the source?



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