THE TWO GOSPEL HERESY

[rebuilder 454]

I have over the last 5 years or so come in contact with this heresy by teachers such as Les Feldick and Robert breaker and a couple of others, of this idea of that there are two Gospels.
They separate the two gospels as:
1) the gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus and John and Peter and James preached, and they tell you that that that's the gospel of the kingdom it has to do with law and works that they did not understand in Jesus himself did not understand the gospel of grace.
2) Now on the other hand, they will tell you that there's the true gospel that Paul preach which is the gospel of grace that we are saved by grace and these false gospel people ,(Jesus James John and Peter), have a certain gospel that is works based, and work centered, and it's different than the gospel that Paul preached.

I'm wondering if anybody else has come across such of a teaching?

 

[LuxMundy]

I have over the last 5 years or so come in contact with this heresy by teachers such as Les Feldick and Robert breaker and a couple of others, of this idea of that there are two Gospels.
They separate the two gospels as:
1) the gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus and John and Peter and James preached, and they tell you that that that's the gospel of the kingdom it has to do with law and works that they did not understand in Jesus himself did not understand the gospel of grace.
2) Now on the other hand, they will tell you that there's the true gospel that Paul preach which is the gospel of grace that we are saved by grace and these false gospel people ,(Jesus James John and Peter), have a certain gospel that is works based, and work centered, and it's different than the gospel that Paul preached.

I'm wondering if anybody else has come across such of a teaching?

I haven't, but there's one Gospel, and the Gospel is by definition the teachings of Jesus Christ. For example, Jesus taught of a saving Faith by God's Grace that's shown to be alive and not dead by works such as prayer, repentance, forgiveness, and obedience to God's Laws.

 

[Fred J]

I have over the last 5 years or so come in contact with this heresy by teachers such as Les Feldick and Robert breaker and a couple of others, of this idea of that there are two Gospels.
They separate the two gospels as:
1) the gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus and John and Peter and James preached, and they tell you that that that's the gospel of the kingdom it has to do with law and works that they did not understand in Jesus himself did not understand the gospel of grace.
2) Now on the other hand, they will tell you that there's the true gospel that Paul preach which is the gospel of grace that we are saved by grace and these false gospel people ,(Jesus James John and Peter), have a certain gospel that is works based, and work centered, and it's different than the gospel that Paul preached.

I'm wondering if anybody else has come across such of a teaching?

Glimpse of what i came across is, the Gospel of Matthew. Mark, Luke and John are for the Jews, and the Gospel of Paul is for the Gentiles.

Apparently i disagree, for many are masters/teachers out there who will be greatly judged.

For the 4 Gospels are evidence and testament, that all nations of scattered Jews and Gentiles are disciple on.

Apostle Paul's Gospel is a further addition and revelational knowledge besides the initial 4 Gospels, where all churches progress on.

So that there will be no differentiation between the Jews and Gentiles based on these Gospels put together.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[rebuilder 454]

well I'm glad that there's not too many people that have been touched by this hyperpauline two gospel heresy.

 

[Lambano]

I have over the last 5 years or so come in contact with this heresy by teachers such as Les Feldick and Robert breaker and a couple of others, of this idea of that there are two Gospels.
They separate the two gospels as:
1) the gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus and John and Peter and James preached, and they tell you that that that's the gospel of the kingdom it has to do with law and works that they did not understand in Jesus himself did not understand the gospel of grace.
2) Now on the other hand, they will tell you that there's the true gospel that Paul preach which is the gospel of grace that we are saved by grace and these false gospel people ,(Jesus James John and Peter), have a certain gospel that is works based, and work centered, and it's different than the gospel that Paul preached.

I'm wondering if anybody else has come across such of a teaching?

A variation on that theme I've heard is that the "Gospel of the Kingdom" was rejected by God's people, who had Messiah crucified, so Paul's "Gospel of Grace" was God's "Plan B".

I think I understand the reason WHY this heresy exists. Jesus's teachings DO focus on works, and some of Jesus's teachings are hard. On the other side, Paul's writing shows he has almost NO knowledge of Jesus's actual teachings. For all intents and purposes, Jesus's teachings are completely irrelevant to Paul. In fact, the only thing about Jesus's entire life that IS relevant to Paul is his crucifixion and resurrection.

Think about it. The so-called "two gospel heresy" exists to explain the disconnect between the Gospels and the Pauline writings. Let's talk about it.

 

[NotTheRock]

Here's the gospel: Love God and love one another.

You're welcome.

 

[Fred J]

Here's the gospel: Love God and love one another.

You're welcome.

That's not Gospel but the commandments GOD centered upon the Old and New Testament foundations.

A 'pillar' rather that supports a 'platform' that is rich with multiple doctrine definition in fulfilling the commandments.

The Gospel is apparently the Good News about Grace and Truth of GOD through the Son, Jesus, in these last days.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[rebuilder 454]

A variation on that theme I've heard is that the "Gospel of the Kingdom" was rejected by God's people, who had Messiah crucified, so Paul's "Gospel of Grace" was God's "Plan B".

I think I understand the reason WHY this heresy exists. Jesus's teachings DO focus on works, and some of Jesus's teachings are hard. On the other side, Paul's writing shows he has almost NO knowledge of Jesus's actual teachings. For all intents and purposes, Jesus's teachings are completely irrelevant to Paul. In fact, the only thing about Jesus's entire life that IS relevant to Paul is his crucifixion and resurrection.

Think about it. The so-called "two gospel heresy" exists to explain the disconnect between the Gospels and the Pauline writings. Let's talk about it.

There never has been, nor ever will be 2 gospels.
Those that claim so, elevate "Paul's gospel" as superior to the "inferior Jesus gospel".

Jesus DID NOT center on works.
Jesus centered on transformation, and the hypocrisy of anyone claiming they belong to God and operating in disobedience.
Jesus knew his mission.
His appearance in his earthly ministry was declared as the sacrifice lamb.

Here's the gospel: Love God and love one another.

You're welcome.

Well it is a component.
But love was a component in the OT. As well.

I am going to see if anyone here can correctly declare what the Gospel is.

 

[rebuilder 454]

What is the gospel.
Go back, and back, and back.
Keep going deeper.
Anyone that truly belongs to Him will correct me and hit the bullseye.

 

[Fred J]

The first part of the Gospel is calling all for repentance, and be baptized of water and of the Holy Ghost.

It is not by any one's 'good works' that they are called to repent and receive this Salvation.

Because is written in;
Romans 3:
23. For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of GOD;
24, Being justified freely by HIS Grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Ephesians 2:
8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of GOD:
9. Not of works, lest any man should boast.

John 1:
13. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of GOD.

 

[Fred J]

The second part of the Gospel is calling for discipleship with Jesus who teaches from Matthew chapter 5.

And including His teaching spread out in the other 3 Gospels put together.

Likewise His teaching through His chosen 'instruments' of 13 Apostles, from the book of Acts to the book of Revelation.

Since about every already true born again, it is written;

John 1:
12. But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become sons of GOD, even to them that believe on His name:

John 3:
6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Now, those already born again undergo discipleship in His teaching/words, likewise are called also to become 'doers' and 'abiders' accordingly

Hence to conclude, there is now not only faith to His teaching/words, but also every good works accordingly. (2Timothy3:16&17)

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I have over the last 5 years or so come in contact with this heresy by teachers such as Les Feldick and Robert breaker and a couple of others, of this idea of that there are two Gospels.
They separate the two gospels as:
1) the gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus and John and Peter and James preached, and they tell you that that that's the gospel of the kingdom it has to do with law and works that they did not understand in Jesus himself did not understand the gospel of grace.
2) Now on the other hand, they will tell you that there's the true gospel that Paul preach which is the gospel of grace that we are saved by grace and these false gospel people ,(Jesus James John and Peter), have a certain gospel that is works based, and work centered, and it's different than the gospel that Paul preached.

I'm wondering if anybody else has come across such of a teaching?

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 1 Cor. 15:1-5

That is a summary of the Good News in one sentence, that is what we need to believe! Jesus and all the disciples preached it.
There is no contradictory message, only different theological interpretations of that message. Of course we must read the whole story, all of what Jesus did to believe that, to know who He is. All scripture is inspired by God.

 

[Lambano]

Jesus centered on transformation

That one might be worth its own thread. Would you like to elaborate?

 

[Lambano]

What is the gospel?

Good question.

In his own words, this summarizes Paul's understanding of "The Gospel":

This is Jesus's summary, in His own words:

And here's an older bit of good news:

 

[rebuilder 454]

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 1 Cor. 15:1-5

That is a summary of the Good News in one sentence, that us what we need to believe! Jesus and all the disciples preached it.
There is no contradictory message, only different theological interpretations of that message. Of course we must read the whole story, all of what Jesus did to believe that, to know who He is. All scripture is inspired by God.

Ok
I understand what you are getting at.
All the answers are religiously accepted.
I am looking for WHAT is salvation.

IOW, lets say a heathen is stranded on an uninhabitable Island with no Bible no church no evangelists and hes know nothing.
But he gets saved.
Without any knowledge of any of those verses, he gets saved.
You need to stop thinking about a book, a formula, sentences,or any words that we have been taught as methodology to get saved.

With all that in mind, rethink it through, and dig a Little Deeper and for the first time maybe it's going to Dawn on all of you what salvation really is.

 

[Behold]

I'm wondering if anybody else has come across such of a teaching?

There is the "Gospel of the Grace of God" that is given in the "time of the Gentiles", and this "time" is going to end.

Then...there is THE TRIBULATION, and the "GRACE Gospel" is not for this "time".

So, that is why you have a "2" Gospel situation.

And you can make it a 3 Gospel situation, if the heresy is taught that Acts 2:38 is the Gospel.

 

[rebuilder 454]

That one might be worth its own thread. Would you like to elaborate?

Yes.
God has always had his Covenant people. Or let me correct that, his Covenant people existed in the Old Testament even before the 12 tribes through Abraham. And so the word of God teaches us that the law is the tutor that brings men to Christ. The law, being perfect, could not save us because we could not obey it.
So in a sense the law is God's testimony.
And that is why it was sealed up in the ark along with Aaron's rod and the pot of Mana.
So when Jesus came, he made a way to transform God's people into holy vessels.
Jesus didn't teach men how to become holy, he came to make men holy, (in other words transform us into holy vessels).
Not sinless vessels, or we would be a deity.
We might sin here or there, but it breaks our heart, and if we truly belong to him, we get right and get back into Fellowship immediately.

Ok here is the deal.
1) there is salvation.
2) there is the way TO salvation
3) there is the act of salvation.
4) there is the dynamic of walking in salvation.
5) lastly we are being saved and "will be saved once we arrive in heaven."

I have been saved
I am being saved
I will be saved.

All 3 are parallel truths.

But salvation itself is another dynamic that a few are taught, and a few are shown through the Holy Spirit.

When we come to that juncture, of what is salvation, we think of the things that we were taught in the bible, and we think of the different verses that point us to Salvation and we may think of the act of salvation, and we may think of ourselves and how we are saved and that we do walk with him and that we do belong to him. But there's still a deeper issue of what is salvation.

 

[rebuilder 454]

There is the "Gospel of the Grace of God" that is given in the "time of the Gentiles", and this "time" is going to end.

Then...there is THE TRIBULATION, and the "GRACE Gospel" is not for this "time".

So, that is why you have a "2" Gospel situation.

And you can make it a 3 Gospel situation, if the heresy is taught that Acts 2:38 is the Gospel.

The gospel ,"good news" is only one.
No 2 or 3 gospels

 

[Ritajanice]

The gospel ,"good news" is only one.
No 2 or 3 gospels

Amen!...and who amazingly came down to bring us that good news, so that we won’t perish in our sin.

Jesus of course, then after his death and resurrection, we then have his messenger, The Holy Spirit.

 

[Lambano]

So when Jesus came, he made a way to transform God's people into holy vessels.

Okay. So what does that look like, and how does it happen?