The third way (Arminianism v Calvinism)
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@Harvest 1874
Two comments:
1. If you don't tag a member (in this case me),,,,they will never know you wrote about them.
Just use @ and write the name right after it.
2. You'd like to clarify your position...OK
But you'll have to give a post no.
I thought you were the OP but you're not....
so there's no way to know the post number where the blog is discussed.
Two comments:
1. If you don't tag a member (in this case me),,,,they will never know you wrote about them.
Just use @ and write the name right after it.
2. You'd like to clarify your position...OK
But you'll have to give a post no.
I thought you were the OP but you're not....
so there's no way to know the post number where the blog is discussed.
Dear GodsGrace,
Your understanding of those verses is processed through your the "works base belief system" that you have.
Christ is the Savior and does all the works of saving a person. In this age, Christ is ONLY saving the people who have been chosen for an early salvation. The are the "first fruits" of Christ's harvest of mankind. In the final age, Christ and the Elect will bring in the final and complete harvest of mankind. No one will be left out of the Kingdom of Heaven.
1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
The translation that you used is incorrect and is easily proven to be incorrect from the scripture itself.
The scripture is saying that Christ will save all mankind and that at some future time (due time) that truth will be testified to be true. If Christ only "desires" to save all mankind, no future event would be necessary. A desire is an emotion and does not require anything to happen in the future to prove that one has it. A "desire" can be proven in the present by the statement itself.
But even if the scripture should be translated as "desires", don't you know that Christ will not be denied His desires?
Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? And what his soul desireth, that will he do.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Joe
Hi Joe,,,
Seems I'm posting to you on another thread too.
Why don't you take the verses I had posted to which you're replying....
and explain them the way I did to yours?
Otherwise we're playing verse ping pong here.
Please explain why you don't agree with my post number 98.
It states that God draws all men and gave you supporting scripture.
It states that God is not a respecter of persons, which means that He gives no one special treatment, and I gave supporting scripture.
I did ask you HOW you handle the verses I posted using your theology...
You didn't respond to this and posted more verses instead.
Does this mean you can't explain mine away?
What makes you think I have a works based system?
Ephesians 2:8-9 states that we are not saved by works.
Paul explains in Romans that we are saved by FAITH and NOT by works.
I believe the entire NT.
Which version would you like me to use?
I have plenty.
And I just realized....
You're a universalist AND a reformed believer?
Please clarify before I continue.
God desires.
But man must respond.
Is God just or not?
But will await your reply re your belief system.
Sure. But nowhere does it state God does this all the time.
Yes. You do love the OT.
The NT is more difficult to deal with....
It's understandable that you wouldn't use the words of JESUS...
God in the flesh who teaches the truth in plain language.
Harvest 1874
Well-Known Member
You and Mark were having a discussion between yourselves; therefore, I felt no need to tag you specifically as I assumed you were following Marks comments and would see the comment. The fact that you made your comment here attest to this.
As for a post number there is none, its from a blog post, not a regular forum post, one which if you look closely at your original reply, and quote of the comment you would have noted that a link was provided. I post it again here for your convenience. “Which is the True Gospel”
I only read posts that are direct toward me Harvest.
I don't read every post in every thread....
If you care to discuss something, I'll be happy to, but please address it to me.
Sorry if I didn't reply to something of yours....
@Scott Downey
Yes. No reply to my post no. 92
Difficult to go against plain and simple verses from the NT.
This should cause you pause to rethink your entire position as regards to
THE CHARACTER OF GOD....which is what you and others are changing.
You're serving a different God than the one presented to us by Jesus Christ...
The ULTIMATE revelation of God, His teachings and His CHARACTER.
Trust in Jesus Christ....
NOT a man called John Calvin.
Who changed, along with some others, the very nature and character of God Almighty.
Yes. No reply to my post no. 92
Difficult to go against plain and simple verses from the NT.
This should cause you pause to rethink your entire position as regards to
THE CHARACTER OF GOD....which is what you and others are changing.
You're serving a different God than the one presented to us by Jesus Christ...
The ULTIMATE revelation of God, His teachings and His CHARACTER.
Trust in Jesus Christ....
NOT a man called John Calvin.
Who changed, along with some others, the very nature and character of God Almighty.
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