The Sweet and bitter little book of Revelation 10

[Naomi25]

It isn't Wildly inconsistent.

Let me see if I have this straight. When I go to Revelation, a book heavy on images, a book that clearly uses numbers symbolically in many different ways, and say that the 1000 years doesn't strictly need to be actually 1000 years, I'm a horrible liberal spiritualist. Even though we have verses like "with the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day".
And yet, Dispensationalists, who carry on a treat about those who "don't take scripture literally", are allowed to come along and seemingly pick and choose at randomn what bits they want to take literally and what bits they want to take figuratively, that's fine and dandy?

Can you honestly NOT see the double standards, hypocrisy and inconsistency with your own interpretive structures?

There is no way you can move prophecies from the MK to eternity.

Unless they're already situated there.

 

[Naomi25]

I got it from
Interlinear Bible - Greek and Hebrew with Concordance
Using a verse that said day of the Lord in it.

Where did you get yours?

Strongs No: 2250 Is a different word from Strong's Number: 03117

I'm aware they're different, that's why I said I didn't know where you got your info from. I got mine from Biblehub, also from several passages that cite "day of the lord": 1 Thess 5:2, Acts 2:20 and 2 Cor 1:14
All used the same Strongs number.

Okay...here's the thing. I just went to your link and typed in 1 Thess 5:2, and here's what I got:

Interlinear Bible 1 Thessalonians 5:2

• 1 Thessalonians 5

For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief inthe night.

Strong's Number: 2250 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
hJmevra from (with (5610) implied) of a derivative of hemai (to sit, akin to the base of (1476)) meaning tame, i.e. gentle
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Hemera 2:943,309
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
hay-mer'-ah Noun Feminine
Definition

1. the day, used of the natural day, or the interval between sunrise and sunset, as distinguished from and contrasted with the night
   1. in the daytime
   2. metaph., "the day" is regarded as the time for abstaining from indulgence, vice, crime, because acts of the sort are perpetrated at night and in darkness
2. of the civil day, or the space of twenty four hours (thus including the night)
   1. Eastern usage of this term differs from our western usage. Any part of a day is counted as a whole day, hence the expression "three days and three nights" does not mean literally three whole days, but at least one whole day plus part of two other days.
3. of the last day of this present age, the day Christ will return from heaven, raise the dead, hold the final judgment, and perfect his kingdom
4. used of time in general, i.e. the days of his life.

So...I'm not exactly sure what verse or phrase or reference you were looking at to get yours.

 

[Trekson]

Just adding more info. In my Strong's (H3117) some defs. are: age, everlasting, perpetually, season. G2250 - a period of time defined by context, age, always, forever, while, years. In most cases when it was referring to the present actual day or "today":, it would use G4594.

I also believe in the literal interpretation of Rev. When figurative language is used, most of the times it is explained within the context.

 

[ezekiel]

Where did you get that from?

Revelation becomes very easy if you know the form in that the occurrences start and finish. Some things can not start til others finish. John is alive and well Christ surely has kept Him. Many really don't listen to Christ words mainly I Am the first and the last.

 

[Enoch111]

And yet, Dispensationalists, who carry on a treat about those who "don't take scripture literally", are allowed to come along and seemingly pick and choose at randomn what bits they want to take literally and what bits they want to take figuratively, that's fine and dandy?

Of course it's fine and dandy. Some things are to be taken figuratively while most of Scripture is to be taken literally. That doesn't mean that there are no deeper meanings. But continuing to insist that *one (a) thousand* in Revelation 20 is figurative is pure fantasy. It is repeated six times so that no one in their right mind will make that mistake.

 

[Enoch111]

Many really don't listen to Christ words mainly I Am the first and the last.

Those words confirm the deity of Christ, but you won't get the naysayers to admit it. They even quibble about John 1:1.

 

[ezekiel]

Being the first and last, organize Him as first and last. Both white horses are truly Christ one working thru us the first, going on for a while now the church, then the end on His return, and John must tarry til His return. He is the same and His words are same and they are prophecy because Spirit of Him is prophecy.

 

[ezekiel]

Says the man who rejects the Trinity and thanks demons are aliens.

Sweet and bitter. When you are studying in the Spirit and God dosn't withhold the prophecy of the Bible from you and you ask for truth and understanding and it is giving. This is sweet and happy are you. But when you look close and gain understanding of all these things and all the death and destruction, then you cry please lord not so don't let this come to past of them on Earth and sure it will come true. It is bitter, very very bitter.

 

[CoreIssue]

Revelation becomes very easy if you know the form in that the occurrences start and finish. Some things can not start til others finish. John is alive and well Christ surely has kept Him. Many really don't listen to Christ words mainly I Am the first and the last.

Nothing easy about it and I cannot agree with your conclusions.

 

[Naomi25]

Of course it's fine and dandy. Some things are to be taken figuratively while most of Scripture is to be taken literally. That doesn't mean that there are no deeper meanings. But continuing to insist that *one (a) thousand* in Revelation 20 is figurative is pure fantasy. It is repeated six times so that no one in their right mind will make that mistake.

I believe "the day" of the Lord is repeated quite a few times as well, if that's all that's necessary to prove somethings serious. But its still okay for you to call that 1000 years, and not okay for me to say 1000 years is perhaps not exactly that?
Honestly...can you NOT see the wild hypocrisy here?

 

[CoreIssue]

I believe "the day" of the Lord is repeated quite a few times as well, if that's all that's necessary to prove somethings serious. But its still okay for you to call that 1000 years, and not okay for me to say 1000 years is perhaps not exactly that?
Honestly...can you NOT see the wild hypocrisy here?

It's okay as long as not try to take something that last thousand years and compress it into 24 hours.

 

[Enoch111]

Honestly...can you NOT see the wild hypocrisy here?

There's absolutely no hypocrisy. When you closely examine everything that will happen during the day of the LORD, you too will conclude that this cannot be a 24 hour period, since it includes too many things. In fact when you look even closer it will be a period of 3 1/2 years less a short time.

 

[Naomi25]

It's okay as long as not try to take something that last thousand years and compress it into 24 hours.

And where do you get this magnificent rule from? Care to share the biblcal precedence for this rule?

Because, for me, I can look at scripture and instantly say that Peter says:

But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. -2 Peter 3:8

So...it seems God is cool with it.

Besides...when have I ever said the 1000 years was only a day long? My point is that it's been longer. It's you guys that have been saying that 24hours is actually 1000 years.

 

[CoreIssue]

And where do you get this magnificent rule from? Care to share the biblcal precedence for this rule?

Because, for me, I can look at scripture and instantly say that Peter says:

But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. -2 Peter 3:8

So...it seems God is cool with it.

Besides...when have I ever said the 1000 years was only a day long? My point is that it's been longer. It's you guys that have been saying that 24hours is actually 1000 years.

None of us have ever said 24 hours is 1000 years. Never.

 

[Naomi25]

There's absolutely no hypocrisy. When you closely examine everything that will happen during the day of the LORD, you too will conclude that this cannot be a 24 hour period, since it includes too many things. In fact when you look even closer it will be a period of 3 1/2 years less a short time.

Well...if you consider the fact that if "the day of the Lord" is the "end day", like I think it is, it will be the end of time, so that point is moot.
But apart from that...are you truly saying that you consider it more valid to say 24 hours is actually 1000 years...or 3 1/2 (clearly depending on who you talk to...go figure) than it is to say that God could fit all that stuff into a day? Considering we're talking about God, he who created all the stars on the 4th day. Take a moment to let that sink in. The enormity of the universe and the number of stars. Created in one day. But, he couldn't possibly judge all of us and spring clean this ol' earth in a single day.
That's not very literal of you.

 

[Naomi25]

None of us have ever said 24 hours is 1000 years. Never.

No? How about this?

The day the Lord last around 1000 years.

And then we went through the whole meaning of "day". Is that bringing it back now?

 

[CoreIssue]

No? How about this?



And then we went through the whole meaning of "day". Is that bringing it back now?

Day, not 24 hours. We are talking Greek and Hebrew here so don't try to put everything in the context of English.

 

[Naomi25]

Day, not 24 hours. We are talking Greek and Hebrew here so don't try to put everything in the context of English.

Do you need to go back to the greek study? Because no matter what language, the definition: 1: "the day, used of the natural day, or the interval between sunrise and sunset, as distinguished from and contrasted with the night"....is still rather clear, wouldn't you say? Especially for a "literalist"?

 

[Trekson]

But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. -2 Peter 3:8

Just throwing this out there, but I believe Peter is simply talking about how time is different in heaven, then here on earth. I don't think it's supposed to be a mandate on prophetic time periods.

 

[Trekson]

Do you need to go back to the greek study? Because no matter what language, the definition: 1: "the day, used of the natural day, or the interval between sunrise and sunset, as distinguished from and contrasted with the night"....is still rather clear, wouldn't you say? Especially for a "literalist"?

If that was the only definition given for the word "day" you would be right, however, it's not so we must be open to more than one consideration.