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If you don’t understand my posts, that is why you think you should keep repenting over and over..you haven’t addressed any of my questions ..so that speaks for itself.
Something that will be way over your head-so I hope others will read it-on repentance.
In the Textus Receptus (TR), the Greek word often translated as "repent" in the context of repenting for our sins is "μετανοέω" (metanoeō). The tense of this verb can vary depending on the specific passage. Here are some common tenses in which "μετανοέω" is used, along with examples:

Present Tense
The present tense in Greek often conveys continuous or repeated action. When "μετανοέω" is in the present tense, it emphasizes an ongoing attitude or repeated acts of repentance.


Example:

Mark 1:15 (TR): "μετανοεῖτε" (metanoeite) - "Repent"
Greek: "καὶ λέγων ὅτι πεπλήρωται ὁ καιρὸς καὶ ἤγγικεν ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ Θεοῦ· μετανοεῖτε καὶ πιστεύετε ἐν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ."
Translation: "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."
Aorist Tense
The aorist tense in Greek typically indicates a single, definitive action. When "μετανοέω" is in the aorist tense, it often signifies a decisive act of repentance.


Example:

Acts 2:38 (TR): "μετανοήσατε" (metanoēsate) - "Repent"
Greek: "Πέτρος δὲ πρὸς αὐτούς· μετανοήσατε, καὶ βαπτισθήτω ἕκαστος ὑμῶν ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν, καὶ λήψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος."
Translation: "Peter said to them, 'Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'"
Perfect Tense
The perfect tense in Greek denotes an action that has been completed in the past but has ongoing results. It emphasizes the lasting state resulting from a past action.


Example:

Matthew 27:3 (TR): "μεταμεληθεὶς" (metameletheis) - "Having repented"
Greek: "Τότε ἰδὼν Ἰούδας ὁ παραδοὺς αὐτὸν ὅτι κατεκρίθη, μεταμεληθεὶς ἔστρεψε τὰ τριάκοντα ἀργύρια τοῖς ἀρχιερεῦσι καὶ πρεσβυτέροις."
Translation: "Then Judas, who had betrayed Him, when he saw that He was condemned, repented and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders."
Imperative Mood
Often found in commands or exhortations, the imperative mood can appear in various tenses but frequently uses the present or aorist to convey urgency or immediate action.

Example:

Matthew 4:17 (TR): "μετανοεῖτε" (metanoeite) - "Repent"
Greek: "Ἀπὸ τότε ἤρξατο ὁ Ἰησοῦς κηρύσσειν καὶ λέγειν, Μετανοεῖτε· ἤγγικεν γὰρ ἡ βασιλεία τῶν οὐρανῶν."
Translation: "From that time Jesus began to preach and say, 'Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.'"

In the Textus Receptus, "repent" (μετανοέω) appears in various tenses to convey different nuances. The present tense indicates continuous repentance, the aorist tense denotes a decisive act of repentance, and the perfect tense emphasizes the ongoing results of a past act of repentance. Each usage enriches the understanding of repentance as both an immediate, definitive act and an ongoing, continuous process.


Biblical Basis for Continuous Repentance

1 John 1:8-10:
1 John 1:8-9 (ESV): "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

This passage highlights the ongoing need for believers to confess their sins, indicating a continuous process of repentance.
Luke 9:23:
Luke 9:23 (ESV): "And he said to all, 'If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.'"

While not directly about repentance, this verse underscores the daily aspect of self-denial and following Jesus, which involves a daily turning away from sin.

James 4:8:
James 4:8 (ESV): "Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded."

This call to cleanse and purify indicates an ongoing process of turning away from sin.

Theological Implications
Initial Repentance and Ongoing Repentance:

Initial Repentance: This occurs at the point of conversion, where a person turns from sin to faith in Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38; 3:19).
Ongoing Repentance: As believers continue their walk with Christ, they are called to regularly examine their lives, confess sins, and turn back to God (1 John 1:9).
Sanctification Process:

The Christian life is a journey of sanctification, where believers are progressively made more like Christ. This involves a continual turning away from sin and growth in holiness (Philippians 2:12-13; 2 Corinthians 3:18).

Practical Application
Daily Self-Examination:

Believers are encouraged to examine themselves regularly, confessing sins and seeking God's forgiveness (2 Corinthians 13:5).
Daily Commitment:

Following Christ involves a daily commitment to deny oneself, take up one's cross, and follow Him (Luke 9:23). This implies a daily decision to turn from sinful behaviors and attitudes.

Yes, believers today are to keep on repenting daily. While initial repentance at conversion is a decisive turn from sin to Christ, the Christian life involves ongoing repentance. This continuous process is part of the sanctification journey, where believers regularly examine their lives, confess sins, and grow in holiness. Daily repentance reflects a heart continually turning towards God, seeking to align more closely with His will and character.

J.
 
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If you’ve understood me why haven’t you answered my questions?

Try this, it’s understood in our spirit.

1 John 3
Berean Standard BiblePar ▾
Children of God
1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. 2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears,a we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. 3And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.b
4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.c 5But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him.
7Little children,d let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.e 8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.
9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
Look this up--

8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start.
 
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Something that will be way over your head-so I hope others will read it-on repentance.
In the Textus Receptus (TR), the Greek word often translated as "repent" in the context of repenting for our sins is "μετανοέω" (metanoeō). The tense of this verb can vary depending on the specific passage. Here are some common tenses in which "μετανοέω" is used, along with examples:

Present Tense
The present tense in Greek often conveys continuous or repeated action. When "μετανοέω" is in the present tense, it emphasizes an ongoing attitude or repeated acts of repentance.


Example:

Mark 1:15 (TR): "μετανοεῖτε" (metanoeite) - "Repent"
Greek: "καὶ λέγων ὅτι πεπλήρωται ὁ καιρὸς καὶ ἤγγικεν ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ Θεοῦ· μετανοεῖτε καὶ πιστεύετε ἐν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ."
Translation: "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."
Aorist Tense
The aorist tense in Greek typically indicates a single, definitive action. When "μετανοέω" is in the aorist tense, it often signifies a decisive act of repentance.


Example:

Acts 2:38 (TR): "μετανοήσατε" (metanoēsate) - "Repent"
Greek: "Πέτρος δὲ πρὸς αὐτούς· μετανοήσατε, καὶ βαπτισθήτω ἕκαστος ὑμῶν ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν, καὶ λήψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος."
Translation: "Peter said to them, 'Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'"
Perfect Tense
The perfect tense in Greek denotes an action that has been completed in the past but has ongoing results. It emphasizes the lasting state resulting from a past action.


Example:

Matthew 27:3 (TR): "μεταμεληθεὶς" (metameletheis) - "Having repented"
Greek: "Τότε ἰδὼν Ἰούδας ὁ παραδοὺς αὐτὸν ὅτι κατεκρίθη, μεταμεληθεὶς ἔστρεψε τὰ τριάκοντα ἀργύρια τοῖς ἀρχιερεῦσι καὶ πρεσβυτέροις."
Translation: "Then Judas, who had betrayed Him, when he saw that He was condemned, repented and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders."
Imperative Mood
Often found in commands or exhortations, the imperative mood can appear in various tenses but frequently uses the present or aorist to convey urgency or immediate action.

Example:

Matthew 4:17 (TR): "μετανοεῖτε" (metanoeite) - "Repent"
Greek: "Ἀπὸ τότε ἤρξατο ὁ Ἰησοῦς κηρύσσειν καὶ λέγειν, Μετανοεῖτε· ἤγγικεν γὰρ ἡ βασιλεία τῶν οὐρανῶν."
Translation: "From that time Jesus began to preach and say, 'Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.'"

In the Textus Receptus, "repent" (μετανοέω) appears in various tenses to convey different nuances. The present tense indicates continuous repentance, the aorist tense denotes a decisive act of repentance, and the perfect tense emphasizes the ongoing results of a past act of repentance. Each usage enriches the understanding of repentance as both an immediate, definitive act and an ongoing, continuous process.


Biblical Basis for Continuous Repentance

1 John 1:8-10:
1 John 1:8-9 (ESV): "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

This passage highlights the ongoing need for believers to confess their sins, indicating a continuous process of repentance.
Luke 9:23:
Luke 9:23 (ESV): "And he said to all, 'If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.'"

While not directly about repentance, this verse underscores the daily aspect of self-denial and following Jesus, which involves a daily turning away from sin.

James 4:8:
James 4:8 (ESV): "Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded."

This call to cleanse and purify indicates an ongoing process of turning away from sin.

Theological Implications
Initial Repentance and Ongoing Repentance:

Initial Repentance: This occurs at the point of conversion, where a person turns from sin to faith in Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38; 3:19).
Ongoing Repentance: As believers continue their walk with Christ, they are called to regularly examine their lives, confess sins, and turn back to God (1 John 1:9).
Sanctification Process:

The Christian life is a journey of sanctification, where believers are progressively made more like Christ. This involves a continual turning away from sin and growth in holiness (Philippians 2:12-13; 2 Corinthians 3:18).

Practical Application
Daily Self-Examination:

Believers are encouraged to examine themselves regularly, confessing sins and seeking God's forgiveness (2 Corinthians 13:5).
Daily Commitment:

Following Christ involves a daily commitment to deny oneself, take up one's cross, and follow Him (Luke 9:23). This implies a daily decision to turn from sinful behaviors and attitudes.

Yes, believers today are to keep on repenting daily. While initial repentance at conversion is a decisive turn from sin to Christ, the Christian life involves ongoing repentance. This continuous process is part of the sanctification journey, where believers regularly examine their lives, confess sins, and grow in holiness. Daily repentance reflects a heart continually turning towards God, seeking to align more closely with His will and character.

J.
I don’t read any of your posts on theology.

I’m Born Again.Born Of God’s seed...if you don’t understand that in “ your spirit “ I’m afraid I can’t help you.

A Born Again repents once and only once..ask @Behold this?

We are spirit children and we know that by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit witnessing that to our heart/ spirit all day every day!
1 John 3
Berean Standard BiblePar ▾
Children of God
1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. 2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears,a we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. 3And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.b
4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.c 5But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him.
7Little children,d let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.e 8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.
9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
 
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I don’t read any of your posts on theology.

I’m Born Again.Born Of God’s seed...if you don’t understand that in “ your spirit “ I’m afraid I can’t help you.

A Born Again repents once and only once..ask @Behold this?

We are spirit children and we know that by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit witnessing that to our heart/ spirit all day every day!
1 John 3
Berean Standard BiblePar ▾
Children of God
1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. 2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears,a we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. 3And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.b
4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.c 5But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him.
7Little children,d let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.e 8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.
9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
Berean Standard Bible
Love

1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a ringing gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have absolute faith so as to move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and exult in the surrender of my body,a but have not love, I gain nothing.

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no account of wrongs. 6Love takes no pleasure in evil, but rejoices in the truth. 7It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be restrained; where there is knowledge, it will be dismissed. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when the perfect comes, the partial passes away.

11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I set aside childish ways. 12Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love; but the greatest of these is love.
 

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Love

1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a ringing gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have absolute faith so as to move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and exult in the surrender of my body,a but have not love, I gain nothing.

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no account of wrongs. 6Love takes no pleasure in evil, but rejoices in the truth. 7It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be restrained; where there is knowledge, it will be dismissed. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when the perfect comes, the partial passes away.

11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I set aside childish ways. 12Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love; but the greatest of these is love.
Take note then!

We grow and mature in the spirit...we don’t grown and mature in theology.

spirit children , which can only be witnessed to our heart/ spirit by Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit

Born Of The Spirit!

Also.

Romans 8​

New International Version​

Life Through the Spirit​

8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,[b] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.[c] And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[d] because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of[e] his Spirit who lives in you.
12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.[f] And by him we cry, “Abba,[g] Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Present Suffering and Future Glory​

18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified;those he justified, he also glorified.

More Than Conquerors​

31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”[j]
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[k] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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Like in the first 100 years or so? God will put up with our childish ways for a time. But have you ever read the parable of dunging the tree?


Are you speaking of yourself and your cohorts here? Are you making some kind of confession? It is true that immature believers will make it about them. But there is a whole other class of "believer" that is always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth...because the gospel is deviated from the truth.

One doesn't flip 180 degrees by osmosis. No, repentance is require.

Yes, stubborn sins...stiff-necked sins...ego sins. These are NOT covered. Resisting the truth, resisting the Spirit. You can say this even as you do it.
Yes I've read that parable. We are to bring forth fruits meet for repentance. Never said otherwise....I was talking about growing....fruits GROW on trees no? "If you have these things and they abound (means grow/increase) they will keep you from falling."

As usual you have no way of arguing against the point of my post so you divert and accuse falsely instead. (Are there no rules on this forum about ad hominems?) Nothing you have said here refutes my post.
 

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Something that will be way over your head-so I hope others will read it-on repentance.
In the Textus Receptus (TR), the Greek word often translated as "repent" in the context of repenting for our sins is "μετανοέω" (metanoeō). The tense of this verb can vary depending on the specific passage. Here are some common tenses in which "μετανοέω" is used, along with examples:

Present Tense
The present tense in Greek often conveys continuous or repeated action. When "μετανοέω" is in the present tense, it emphasizes an ongoing attitude or repeated acts of repentance.


Example:

Mark 1:15 (TR): "μετανοεῖτε" (metanoeite) - "Repent"
Greek: "καὶ λέγων ὅτι πεπλήρωται ὁ καιρὸς καὶ ἤγγικεν ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ Θεοῦ· μετανοεῖτε καὶ πιστεύετε ἐν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ."
Translation: "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."
Aorist Tense
The aorist tense in Greek typically indicates a single, definitive action. When "μετανοέω" is in the aorist tense, it often signifies a decisive act of repentance.


Example:

Acts 2:38 (TR): "μετανοήσατε" (metanoēsate) - "Repent"
Greek: "Πέτρος δὲ πρὸς αὐτούς· μετανοήσατε, καὶ βαπτισθήτω ἕκαστος ὑμῶν ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν, καὶ λήψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος."
Translation: "Peter said to them, 'Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'"
Perfect Tense
The perfect tense in Greek denotes an action that has been completed in the past but has ongoing results. It emphasizes the lasting state resulting from a past action.


Example:

Matthew 27:3 (TR): "μεταμεληθεὶς" (metameletheis) - "Having repented"
Greek: "Τότε ἰδὼν Ἰούδας ὁ παραδοὺς αὐτὸν ὅτι κατεκρίθη, μεταμεληθεὶς ἔστρεψε τὰ τριάκοντα ἀργύρια τοῖς ἀρχιερεῦσι καὶ πρεσβυτέροις."
Translation: "Then Judas, who had betrayed Him, when he saw that He was condemned, repented and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders."
Imperative Mood
Often found in commands or exhortations, the imperative mood can appear in various tenses but frequently uses the present or aorist to convey urgency or immediate action.

Example:

Matthew 4:17 (TR): "μετανοεῖτε" (metanoeite) - "Repent"
Greek: "Ἀπὸ τότε ἤρξατο ὁ Ἰησοῦς κηρύσσειν καὶ λέγειν, Μετανοεῖτε· ἤγγικεν γὰρ ἡ βασιλεία τῶν οὐρανῶν."
Translation: "From that time Jesus began to preach and say, 'Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.'"

In the Textus Receptus, "repent" (μετανοέω) appears in various tenses to convey different nuances. The present tense indicates continuous repentance, the aorist tense denotes a decisive act of repentance, and the perfect tense emphasizes the ongoing results of a past act of repentance. Each usage enriches the understanding of repentance as both an immediate, definitive act and an ongoing, continuous process.


Biblical Basis for Continuous Repentance

1 John 1:8-10:
1 John 1:8-9 (ESV): "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

This passage highlights the ongoing need for believers to confess their sins, indicating a continuous process of repentance.
Luke 9:23:
Luke 9:23 (ESV): "And he said to all, 'If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.'"

While not directly about repentance, this verse underscores the daily aspect of self-denial and following Jesus, which involves a daily turning away from sin.

James 4:8:
James 4:8 (ESV): "Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded."

This call to cleanse and purify indicates an ongoing process of turning away from sin.

Theological Implications
Initial Repentance and Ongoing Repentance:

Initial Repentance: This occurs at the point of conversion, where a person turns from sin to faith in Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38; 3:19).
Ongoing Repentance: As believers continue their walk with Christ, they are called to regularly examine their lives, confess sins, and turn back to God (1 John 1:9).
Sanctification Process:

The Christian life is a journey of sanctification, where believers are progressively made more like Christ. This involves a continual turning away from sin and growth in holiness (Philippians 2:12-13; 2 Corinthians 3:18).

Practical Application
Daily Self-Examination:

Believers are encouraged to examine themselves regularly, confessing sins and seeking God's forgiveness (2 Corinthians 13:5).
Daily Commitment:

Following Christ involves a daily commitment to deny oneself, take up one's cross, and follow Him (Luke 9:23). This implies a daily decision to turn from sinful behaviors and attitudes.

Yes, believers today are to keep on repenting daily. While initial repentance at conversion is a decisive turn from sin to Christ, the Christian life involves ongoing repentance. This continuous process is part of the sanctification journey, where believers regularly examine their lives, confess sins, and grow in holiness. Daily repentance reflects a heart continually turning towards God, seeking to align more closely with His will and character.

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Oh my, yes. Communion itself is a time of self-examination and repentance and cleansing. We are not to take it unworthily. People who aren't accountable for themselves will not grow, they'll remain stuck in whatever stage of immaturity they are at, committing the same sins. How can a born again person let themselves and God down without being sorry for it....that would make me question someone's salvation. "We offend in many things, all." If we have the Spirit of God He is going to prick our conscience when we err, unless our conscience is seared - which would not be good state to be in.
 
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Yes I've read that parable. We are to bring forth fruits meet for repentance. Never said otherwise....I was talking about growing....fruits GROW on trees no? "If you have these things and they abound (means grow/increase) they will keep you from falling."

As usual you have no way of arguing against the point of my post so you divert and accuse falsely instead. (Are there no rules on this forum about ad hominems?) Nothing you have said here refutes my post.
I have to say-this is going from bad to worse and I have witnessed you reaching out to him,many times in love, and this is what you get, it MUST hurt.
Shalom lakh achot

"shalom lakh achot" is more than just a simple "peace to you, sister." It carries a profound wish for comprehensive well-being and harmony in all areas of life. Harmony and well being in ALL spheres of your life sister.
Johann.
 

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I have to say-this is going from bad to worse and I have witnessed you reaching out to him,many times in love, and this is what you get, it MUST hurt.
Shalom lakh achot

"shalom lakh achot" is more than just a simple "peace to you, sister." It carries a profound wish for comprehensive well-being and harmony in all areas of life. Harmony and well being in ALL spheres of your life sister.
Johann.
Thank you brother and I wish you the same. :)

It's sad to see some who care more about being clever and winning arguments than they do about the souls of those they are speaking to. They only "care" as long as you agree with them....which isn't good fruit.
 
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Oh my, yes. Communion itself is a time of self-examination and repentance and cleansing. We are not to take it unworthily. People who aren't accountable for themselves will not grow, they'll remain stuck in whatever stage of immaturity they are at, committing the same sins. How can a born again person let themselves and God down without being sorry for it....that would make me question someone's salvation. "We offend in many things, all." If we have the Spirit of God He is going to prick our conscience when we err, unless our conscience is seared - which would not be good state to be in.
Here's a question for you, is repenting a once off experience, or ongoing? This is between me and you, no other members to get involved, divisive members, I am sick to the core of what is happening here on this Forum.
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Thank you brother and I wish you the same. :)

It's sad to see some who care more about being clever and winning arguments than they do about the souls of those they are speaking to. They only "care" as long as you agree with them....which isn't good fruit.
Careful, I am a "intellectual" with a critical, analytical mind Lol!
 

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....that He gave His only Son that WHOSOEVER WOULD BELIEVE IN HIM would have eternal life.
That's believe INTO Him. HAS eternal life...experiences His resurrection life....NOW! Don't confuse the gospel with an after-life religion. This is not Valhalla...but the kingdom of God. Seek first the kingdom....seek to die? No...seek the Lord and live.
 

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That's believe INTO Him. HAS eternal life...experiences His resurrection life....NOW! Don't confuse the gospel with an after-life religion. This is not Valhalla...but the kingdom of God. Seek first the kingdom....seek to die? No...seek the Lord and live.
Yes HAS eternal life

Not conditional life like your preaching

No one is saying seek the lord and die.. once again, your deflection is your downfall
 
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Yes HAS eternal life

Eternal life is a kind of life...to walk as Jesus walked.
Not conditional life like your preaching

Of course salvation is conditional. In your mind you have guaranteed a future life in heaven. But the bible has a lot of "ifs". When and if you read the bible again you will perhaps notice these.
No one is saying seek the lord and die.. once again, your deflection is your downfall
I am saying to seek the Lord and live....what people will not do...instead reading themselves into the bible narrative in the best possible outcome. Just like a fairy tale. Does the flesh like to be warned of this? Of course not. Truth is like torment to some. :rolleyes:
 
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Here's a question for you, is repenting a once off experience, or ongoing? This is between me and you, no other members to get involved, divisive members, I am sick to the core of what is happening here on this Forum.
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Believers who seek to practice this often speak of “keeping short accounts with God,” that is, making sure you confess sins regularly so your account does not build up with unconfessed sin. Psalms 32, 51, and John 13:1-20 are often quoted to confirm this position.

This view of 1 John 1:9 has more to commend it than the previous one. “Confession is good for the soul” is a truism which holds good for all ages and dispensations. Indeed, Proverbs 28:13 says,

“He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth1 and forsaketh them shall have mercy.”

In my formative years as a Christian, this view seemed to me to be logical, balanced and right. I knew many respected Bible teachers who taught this. Through the years, however, I believe the Spirit of God was pricking my conscience to show me things which revealed the shortcomings of this approach. Among them were:

1. It is based on a performance system of conditional blessing, and shifted my gaze away from Christ and His grace to my own faithfulness (or usually failure) to confess.

2. If what I believed concerning confession was true, I was probably “out of fellowship” much of the time, and so were most believers.

3. There were many things in 1 John Chapter 1 which are inconsistent with this view.

4. Concerning the popular father-son illustration, several rhetorical questions could be asked to show its weakness. What if the son fails to confess wrongdoing? Should the father continue to show him the cold shoulder until he does? What kind of father would that make him? Would this be a fitting picture of how our loving heavenly Father deals with His children today under grace? Further, the phrase “faithful and just” more aptly describes the judge in a courtroom than a father in the family room.

5. I had to honestly admit to myself that I found it extremely difficult to confess all my daily sins on a consistent basis.

6. This view of 1 John 1:9 must, of necessity, occupy a major plank in a person’s belief system. Without regular confession of sin, the promise of continual cleansing is rendered null and void resulting in broken fellowship. And who wants to be out of fellowship with God?

7. Paul, the apostle of the Gentiles, is silent in all his writings on confession of sins for forgiveness, parental or otherwise.

8. Paul’s epistles give us a positive affirmation of total, complete and unconditional forgiveness for all those in Christ Jesus.

A few examples should suffice,

“In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace” (Eph. 1:7).

“And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you” (Eph. 4:32).

“And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses” (Col. 2:13).

Forgiveness for the believer is now spoken of as a finished transaction, past history. We do not plead for daily forgiveness any more than we should for daily redemption. It is a part of the “all spiritual blessings” with which we have already been blessed (Eph. 1:3). For further references to Paul’s doctrine of forgiveness for the present dispensation of the grace of God, consult the following Scriptures: Colossians 1:14; 3:13; Romans 4:5-8; Acts 13:38,39.

It is duly manifest that we must find a better explanation of 1 John 1:9. A good place to begin in the context of the passage is verse 6.

“If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth.”

The key question is this. Are those who “walk in darkness” believers or unbelievers? How we answer this question is absolutely critical to the interpretation of this passage. If they are carnal, disobedient, backslidden believers who are walking in darkness, they are lying about having fellowship with God. A confession of sin in their life and “walking in the light” will restore the fellowship. However, if it can be proved from Scripture that they are unbelievers who were falsely professing fellowship, the “out of fellowship” position falls apart, for no one could successfully argue a restoration to something which they never had.

In order to see which it is, please compare the following three Scriptures.

“If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth” (1 John 1:6).

“But he that hateth his brother is in darkness and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes” (1 John 2:11).

“Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him” (1 John 3:15).

Note carefully the relationship of these verses to each other and what they teach.

1. He that hates his brother2 “walks in darkness.”

2. Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer.

3. No murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

Conclusion: He who walks in darkness does not have eternal life abiding in him, i.e. an unbeliever.

Once this is clearly perceived by the reader, the restoration to fellowship theory comes crashing down like a house of cards. Remove all doubt from your mind. A concordant study of Scripture reveals that the consistent, uniform appellation to darkness, whether it be the Word of God in general or to John’s writings in particular, refers to the unsaved (John 1:5; 3:19-21; 8:12; 12:35,36,46; Acts 26:18; 2 Cor. 4:4,6; 6:14; Eph. 5:8; Col. 1:13; 1 Thes. 5:4,5; 1 Pet. 2:9).

You concur?
 

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Eternal life is a kind of life...to walk as Jesus walked.
No

eternal life is what Jesus said it is. the promise you will never die, and you will live forever.
Of course salvation is conditional. In your mind you have guaranteed a future life in heaven. But the bible has a lot of "ifs". When and if you read the bible again you will perhaps notice these.
We only have conditional life IF we can work to earn it.. But then it would not be by grace.

then again, you say you reject that forgiveness is paid ON the cross so I would not expect anything more from you
I am saying to seek the Lord and live....what people will not do...
But your seeking by your own righteousness, with you will never earn
instead reading themselves into the bible narrative in the best possible outcome. Just like a fairy tale. Dos the flesh like to be warned of this? Of course not. Truth is like torment to some. :rolleyes:
Typical nonsense derived by someone who can not stand on his own to feet.
 

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I never said anything about "Jesus's Thoughts" regarding anyone.

Are you coherent?

I said that until Jesus was Crucified, He had not paid for the sins of anyone yet.... not the Apostles, not yours.

. @Episkopos


Jesus didn't "pay" for people's sins. Sins are free. But Jesus always forgave sins...no need for the cross for that. Read the bible.

And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee. And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemes (this sounds just like you). And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think you evil in your hearts? 5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?

6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house. Matt. 9

Now show the class where Jesus had to pay with blood to forgive sins?

Have you read the OT yet? Look up forgiveness and mercy from God before the coming of Christ...therefore before the cross. Good luck.
 
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