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Eternally Grateful

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Epi said it WAS NOT about Forgiveness.

So, you need to be honest.

@Episkopos wrote...

""""""Hi Rita. .........The bible clearly teaches that the cross is about atonement, NOT forgiveness."""""""

@Episkopos wrote...

""""""Hi Rita. .........The bible clearly teaches that the cross is about atonement, NOT forgiveness."""""""
sadly, Like yesterday and so many days before. You can show her in black and white. and she will nto see it. Because she can not admit when she is in error..
 

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Here's the problem-@Episkopos says it is "freedom" not forgiveness, reading the LXX and Apostolic Bible Polyglot.
He’s right it’s about forgiveness and freedom from sin..we were set free from sin the moment we became a spirit child of God.
 

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Jesus THE Lord.... had not died on the Cross yet when he called His 12 Apostles.
Didn't you know @Episkopos .

See, Jesus was not SAVIOR yet, as He had not shed His Blood and Died on the Cross yet, to become The SAVIOR.

You are joking right? You think Jesus had wrathful thoughts against his own disciples until He died? This is where lies you believe lead you into cloud cuckoo land.

You are so incredibly off that you have to be a caricature.

The rest is more twaddle based on a compete ignorance of the biblical message.
 

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He said it was about atonement NOT FORGIVENESS

those are his words. those are his words you are promoting and acknowledging that he is right.

Instead of attacking Behold for showing you what EPi said, why do you not confront epi for believing what we have accused epi of believing.
I’m not attacking anyone..I’m voicing what I believe..

He said it was about Forgiveness...as I just explained to you...it seems your ears are closed to hearing what he said.
 

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You are joking right? You think Jesus had wrathful thoughts against his own disciples until He died?

I never said anything about "Jesus's Thoughts" regarding anyone.

Are you coherent?

I said that until Jesus was Crucified, He had not paid for the sins of anyone yet.... not the Apostles, not yours.

. @Episkopos
 

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You are joking right? You think Jesus had wrathful thoughts against his own disciples until He died? This is where lies you believe lead you into cloud cuckoo land.

You are so incredibly off that you have to be a caricature.

The rest is more twaddle based on a compete ignorance of the biblical message.
I must say I don’t read his posts much now, because they are full of his own words...
 

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I’m not attacking anyone..I’m voicing what I believe..

He said it was about Forgiveness...as I just explained to you...it seems your ears are closed to hearing what he said.
Is this what you believe?

Then yuo need to repent

He said it was about atonment not forgiveness

You have had multiple people quote epi's own words for you to see. and you still deny he said what he actually said.

What you believe does not matter, what any of us believe does not matter

If a person said something, it does not matter what we think he said, he said what he said, if we cannot repent and admit we were wrong.. then there is no hope for us.
 

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He said it was about Forgiveness..

@Episkopos told you today that the Cross is "NOT about forgiveness"..

@Episkopos wrote...

""""""Hi Rita. .........The bible clearly teaches that the cross is about atonement, NOT forgiveness."""""""

So, Why are you not being honest with us and this Forum... @Ritajanice ?

We've posted His very quote to you... a few times now.
 
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All sin is covered by The Cross of Christ, or it would not be of any use...

No use for your flesh. Jesus is there for you to use. Self-preservation 101.
Notice.

"God hath made JESUS< to BE SIN.. (all of it) For US"

A bad rendering of the text. Jesus because sin to us....we made Him to be sin. Not God. God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.

I can post verses that go directly against your theories but it won't help you.

that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not [a]imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 2 Cor. 5:19

It doesn't say... God condemned Christ to reconcile the world to Himself....as false believers think. No, God was IN Christ. Condemning Himself? No...It was the same type of self-interested ones that saw to that.

"Jesus is the ONE TIME... ETERNAL Sacrifice, for Sin".... Not just some.
The Lamb of God. Not...the Lamb for exploitation by carnal interests.
 

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I never said anything about "Jesus's Thoughts" regarding anyone.

Are you coherent?

I said that until Jesus was Crucified, He had not paid for the sins of anyone yet.... not the Apostles, not yours.

. @Episkopos
false. I have posted many verses about God's mercy before Christ came. God always forgave...just as Jesus also forgave the Romans on the cross.

But either you can't read or your ignorance is wilfull. I'm hoping you are only illiterate, for your sake.
 

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Is this what you believe?

Then yuo need to repent

He said it was about atonment not forgiveness

You have had multiple people quote epi's own words for you to see. and you still deny he said what he actually said.

What you believe does not matter, what any of us believe does not matter

If a person said something, it does not matter what we think he said, he said what he said, if we cannot repent and admit we were wrong.. then there is no hope for us.
I don’t need to repent about anything...I’ve done my repenting before I became Born Again..plus it was God’s Living Spirit who brought me to repentance.

You lack spirit knowledge on what it means to be Born Again of imperishable seed..

That’s why you keep repenting over and over...
 
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Ritajanice

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@Episkopos told you today that the Cross is "NOT about forgiveness"..

@Episkopos wrote...

""""""Hi Rita. .........The bible clearly teaches that the cross is about atonement, NOT forgiveness."""""""

So, Why are you not being honest with us and this Forum... @Ritajanice ?

We've posted His very quote to you... a few times now.
I am being honest..he posted on a thread the cross was about forgiveness....he also understands the Living Holy Spirit birth.
 
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Eternally Grateful

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I don’t need to repent about anything...I’ve done my repenting before I became Born Again..plus it was God’s Living Spirit who brought me to repentance.

You lack spirit knowledge on what it means to be Born Again of imperishable seed..

That’s why you keep repenting over and over...
accuse us of falsly accusing epi again, and see. We posted his words.. Yet you deny it

I told you yesterday I am done with your nonsense..
 

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When God sent Ananias of Damascus to lay hands on Saul/Paul, He never once said that either he or Paul's sins were forgiven.

Maybe it's because neither of them had read the NT yet?...including Paul who wrote most of it...but probably didn't read it after. :rolleyes:

Maybe God has a different agenda?

Maybe you are so incredibly off in your ideology that the carnal mind has pushed out any truth?

Maybe Acts 9 was written before Jesus' sacrifice....maybe maybe. Enough doubt so that no correct beliefs can be had. :cool:
 

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No use for your flesh. Jesus is there for you to use. Self-preservation 101.

Jesus didnt die for my flesh.. little one...... He died for All my Sin. (Forgiveness), that you DENY.

Salvation 101.. and you've failed the class again,@Episkopos

A bad rendering of the text. Jesus because sin to us....we made Him to be sin. Not God. God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.

The person does not make Jesus to be their sin....
(You should burn your commentaries as they make you say crazy things....).

See, only Jesus body, = He bore our SIN..........which means that our sin is on Him.. and His Body, Blood, death, are the payment, for all our sin.

And His Holy Blood is the redemption = the payment for our Sin... which is why Paul says we are "blood bought"... "bought with a price"... and that Price was the shed BLOOD and DEATH of Jesus on THe Cross.

YET< Jesus is not a sinner, and that is because there is no sin found = IN HIM....

Jesus told us.. "",This is my Body, and this is my BLOOD take it"""... that is offered for OUR Transgressions...

Did you ever take The Communion @Episkopos ?

You dont understand the Cross, so you certainly dont understand Taking the Communion, and what is symbolizes..

It doesn't say... God condemned Christ to reconcile the world to Himself....

The Cross is God's proven condemnation against ALL the sin of the world., and JESUS BORE IT ALL.

The "CUP" that is God's wrath/judgement poured out against SIN....., is what Jesus said..>"Father if it be possible, let this CUP (This CROSS< YOUR WRATH against SIN) pass from me.""

Again, this is Salvation 101... and you have no understanding of it at all.

This explains why your "salvation testimony".... said nothing about you trusting in Christ, or being forgiven of your sin... You said nothing about this at all... and i certainly understand why, @Episkopos
 
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false. I have posted many verses about God's mercy before Christ came. God always forgave...just as Jesus also forgave the Romans on the cross.

But either you can't read or your ignorance is wilfull. I'm hoping you are only illiterate, for your sake.
If I had typed this the thread would be locked since we have a Staff member not kindly disposed to me, you must be her favorite-you get away with much, goading and solicitating and not shy to climb into another person's character, online, on a public Forum.
An apology to @Behold would suffice, don't you think?

No need to reply.
 
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accuse us of falsly accusing epi again, and see. We posted his words.. Yet you deny it

I told you yesterday I am done with your nonsense..
I have also posted what Epi said on a thread...the cross is about forgiveness.

I will pick you up on your nonsense that you post...
 

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I don’t need to repent about anything...I’ve done my repenting before I became Born Again..plus it was God’s Living Spirit who brought me to repentance.

You lack spirit knowledge on what it means to be Born Again of imperishable seed..

That’s why you keep repenting over and over...
Does this mean you have not repented unto The Lord for over 30 years? Not even a "I'm sorry"
 
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