The six things of Daniel 9:24

[rwb]

I agree that verses 22-27 are words spoken by Gabriel.

23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

understand the matter - is that of the 70 years of serving the King of Babylon being about over.

consider the vision - is to consider the vision which Daniel first encountered Gabriel. Which was of the time of the end vision about the little horn person to stop the daily sacrifice and commit the transgression of desolation .


No, Daniel did not call his people the "Israel of God"

That phase is found in one place in the bible - Galatians 6:16.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=Israel+of+God&bsec=&order=0&s=1

No, "thy people" i.e. Daniel people, are the ethnic Jews.

In Daniel 10, Daniel received another visit from an angel who told him everything that was going to happen to his people in Daniel 11-12. With Daniel 11:36-12:13 being of things in the latter days, end times.

Daniel 10:14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

Daniel 8 > Daniel 9 > Daniel 10 (introducing Daniel 11 > Daniel 12)

That's the whole big picture of what is going to happen to Daniel's people, the ethnic Jews.

The prophecy still pertains to the people of Daniel's faith, not ethnicity. And both chapters speak of what shall come to pass in the latter or last days. The latter days or "these last days." I don't find a single prophet prophesying of what shall come to pass in the last/latter days limiting "thy people" or people of Daniel's ethnicity only to ethnic Jews. Rather the prophets foretell the prophesy for the last/latter days shall be to ALL people throughout the earth who are of faith.

Isaiah 2:2 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1-2 (KJV) But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Acts 2:17 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Hebrews 1:1-14 (KJV) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

 

[jeffweeder]

Bro, I believe that the anointing was of Messiah, who is immeasurably Holier than any place. The interlinear OT text translation does not include "Place".

Hi Bro.
The way I see it, Jesus was already anointed at his Baptism in his role as Messiah to fulfill the 6 points.

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: holy of holies

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Douggg]

The prophecy still pertains to the people of Daniel's faith, not ethnicity.

First of all it does not say "the" prophecy in Daniel 9.

You are trying to define Daniel's people as being people from all nations, tongues, and peoples. But that is not Daniel's people. Daniel's people are the ones who went into Babylonian captivity. They did not do so because of their faith, but contrary to faith. They got into idol worship. Worshiping other god's than the God of Israel. Daniel's people are the Jews.

The events of the last days of course involves peoples from all parts of the world, not just the Jews.

 

[covenantee]

Hi Bro.
The way I see it, Jesus was already anointed at his Baptism in his role as Messiah to fulfill the 6 points.

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: holy of holies

www.biblegateway.com

OK, I understand your perspective now. Thanks.

 

[covenantee]

First of all it does not say "the" prophecy in Daniel 9.

You are trying to define Daniel's people as being people from all nations, tongues, and peoples. But that is not Daniel's people. Daniel's people are the ones who went into Babylonian captivity. They did not do so because of their faith, but contrary to faith. They got into idol worship. Worshiping other god's than the God of Israel. Daniel's people are the Jews.

The events of the last days of course involves peoples from all parts of the world, not just the Jews.

Daniel's people were the children of Israel, comprised of both Jews and Gentiles. Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22

3,000 of them (Acts 2:6-11) experienced, on the Day of Pentecost, Christ's fulfillment at Calvary of "reconciliation for iniquity" (Daniel 9:24) .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

But those six tenets of Daniel 9:24 are not yet fulfilled. That is perfectly evident in the world today.

LOL. Your thinking is so carnal. No one can fulfill Daniel 9:24 except for Jesus Christ. There is no other way to make reconciliation for iniquity and make an end of sins (forgive and cover sins) except by the blood of Christ! It's foolish to think otherwise!

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

What Jesus did, was to make it so they could be fulfilled. To finally happen at His glorious Return.

You think everlasting righteousness and the literal end of sins will literally occur at His glorious return and, yet, you think that a whole lot of wickedness and sins will occur a thousand years later when Satan is loosed. LOL. So much for your literal understanding of Daniel 9:24.

An example of the confusion of some here, is that it is the Holy Place that will be anointed, not Jesus; who was anointed at His Baptism.

What holy place do you think will be anointed in the future? Some physical temple built by Christ rejecting Jews? LOL. Is that what you think will be qualified to be called "the Holy Place"? It says "the most Holy" and that refers to Jesus. But, even if it said "the most Holy place", Jesus referred to His body as the temple so His body could be considered the most Holy Place that was anointed.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

I have to say that if a shuffling of scripture is required to make a theory work, then alarm bells ring and it is very suspect.

No one here shuffles scripture more than you do to make it say what you want it to say, so I can't take this nonsense seriously.

 

[Keraz]

. Your thinking is so carnal. No one can fulfill Daniel 9:24 except for Jesus Christ. There is no other way to make reconciliation for iniquity and make an end of sins (forgive and cover sins) except by the blood of Christ! It's foolish to think otherwise!

Believing those six tenets of Daaniel 9:24 are fulfilled, is simply beyond sensibility.
I agree that Jesus did make it so those things could happen, but the reality is; they haven't yet.

You think everlasting righteousness and the literal end of sins will literally occur at His glorious return and, yet, you think that a whole lot of wickedness and sins will occur a thousand years later when Satan is loosed. LOL. So much for your literal understanding of Daniel 9:24.

I believe, supported by scripture; that the literal end of sins will happen after Jesus has ruled for a thousand years and Satan is loosed for a short time. THEN, Eternity kicks in and sin and Death will be no more. Rev 21:1-7

What holy place do you think will be anointed in the future? Some physical temple built by Christ rejecting Jews? LOL. Is that what you think will be qualified to be called "the Holy Place"? It says "the most Holy" and that refers to Jesus. But, even if it said "the most Holy place", Jesus referred to His body as the temple so His body could be considered the most Holy Place that was anointed.

You display your ignorance of what the Prophets said, when you decry the fact of a new Temple.
As we are told; there will be a new Temple, built by the Christian peoples, and after Jesus Returns, He will kick Satan out of it, 2 Thess 2:4.
75 days after the glorious Return, the Temple will be cleansed and anointed, for the Throne of King Jesus.

Happy are those who see the completion of 1335 days! Daniel 12:12 This is counted from the day the Temple is desecrated.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Believing those six tenets of Daaniel 9:24 are fulfilled, is simply beyond sensibility.
I agree that Jesus did make it so those things could happen, but the reality is; they haven't yet.

Read my post #4 in this thread again. I backed up my view extensively with scripture. You back up your view with nothing.

I believe, supported by scripture; that the literal end of sins will happen after Jesus has ruled for a thousand years and Satan is loosed for a short time. THEN, Eternity kicks in and sin and Death will be no more. Rev 21:1-7

Making an end of sins has to happen within the 70 weeks that were given to fulfill the things listed in Daniel 9:24. This means that you have the 70th week ending 1,000+ years after the return of Christ. How can you call my view "beyond sensibility" when you believe something ridiculous and nonsensical like that?

It's not talking about the literal end of sins which results in you ridiculously placing the 70th week 1,000+ years after Christ's return. It's talking about Jesus putting an end to the time during which people had nothing to forgive and permanently cover their sins. He accomplished that with His shed blood. That's why John the Baptist introduced Him as the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29). Only Jesus could fulfill the things listed in Daniel 9:24 and He did! He didn't say "It is finished" for nothing! He finished the transgression Himself as only He could do. There's nothing else He needs to to make reconciliation for iniquity and cover people's sins (make and end of sins).

You display your ignorance of what the Prophets said, when you decry the fact of a new Temple.

LOL. Your ignorance about this knows no bounds. You foolishly try to claim that some temple that Christ rejecting Jews supposedily will build in the future could possibly be considered the temple of God. No, only a temple that God Himself would consider His temple could be called the temple of God. You think such a useless physical temple could be considered "the most Holy Place". LOL. Nonsense! The only thing that should anoint such a useless godforsaken place is animals relieving themselves on it.

As we are told; there will be a new Temple, built by the Christian peoples, and after Jesus Returns, He will kick Satan out of it, 2 Thess 2:4.
75 days after the glorious Return, the Temple will be cleansed and anointed, for the Throne of King Jesus.

Happy are those who see the completion of 1335 days! Daniel 12:12 This is counted from the day the Temple is desecrated.

You couldn't be more off base about this if you tried and that is because you are carnal rather than spiritual (1 Cor 3:1-3).

 

[rwb]

First of all it does not say "the" prophecy in Daniel 9.

You are trying to define Daniel's people as being people from all nations, tongues, and peoples. But that is not Daniel's people. Daniel's people are the ones who went into Babylonian captivity. They did not do so because of their faith, but contrary to faith. They got into idol worship. Worshiping other god's than the God of Israel. Daniel's people are the Jews.

The events of the last days of course involves peoples from all parts of the world, not just the Jews.

Gabriel spoke a prophetic word to Daniel about things that would come to pass when Messiah the Prince came. Daniel prayed, as I've said, for his people that were in captivity with him. But the prophetic message Daniel received is not directed to only the remnant of Jews of Old alive in the days of Daniel or only to Jews coming after them. The Messiah Prince would come to fulfill the prophesy that was sent to ALL people of faith in the latter/last days when the Messiah would come to fulfill all these things which are written of Him.

The prophetic message Daniel was given would come to pass during the time of the fourth beast who shall rule over the fourth kingdom upon the whole earth. People of faith, like that of Daniel, called saints, shall together with faithful saints of Old be the benefactors of the things Messiah the Prince would accomplish when He came.

When you take the time to read each of the visions that follow this message given to Daniel you'll find in each vision some things that pertain to the time of the end when Messiah the Prince would come.

Daniel 7:18-22 (KJV) But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Daniel 7:23-28 (KJV) Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.

 

[Davidpt]

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

You are not being entirely clear here. There are 2 comings of Christ. Which coming are you applying to Daniel 7:22? The first coming or the 2nd coming?

Since you highlighted that part in bold, what time period are you applying this part to--Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom?

It clearly matters since that part obviously follows this part, meaning chronologically speaking---the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them

IOW, there has to be a period of time that explains this part first---the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them. And that period of time has to be fulfilled before the following period of time can begin---Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Since it is would be ludicrous that this period of time---Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom---precedes this period of time----the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them. That would be backwards. The time period pertaining to verse 21 precedes the time period pertaining to verse 22.

It's pretty obvious per the text what puts an end to this part--the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them. That being this part---Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. After all, 'Until' involves something chronological. For example. Until he finishes his shift first, he's not allowed to leave the office in the meantime.

Therefore, if perhaps you are meaning the first coming rather than the 2nd coming, in regards to Daniel 7:22, you then must submit the evidence that proves Daniel 7:21 is fulfilled prior to the first coming. After all, you have plainly said multiple times that you prove what you allege.


Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

This era of time precedes the 2nd coming. It does not precede the first coming as well. Revelation 13, for one, undeniably proves it. Therefore, the coming in verse 22 has to be the 2nd coming. And this part in verse 22--and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom--has to be meaning the beginning of the millennium. Good luck getting that to fit Amil. Premil doesn't need to twist anything in Daniel 7:21-22 to get it to fit Premil, Amils, OTOH, do need to twist what is recorded in Daniel 7:21-22 in order to get it to allegedly fit Amil, though. In this case, which view is being honest with the text? The view that doesn't need to twist anything? Or the view that needs to twist things?

BTW, before I forget, what I just brought up here is relevant to the OP. Before all of Daniel 9:24 can be fulfilled, meaning the entire 70 weeks, Daniel 7:21 has to be fulfilled first since Daniel 7:21 is involving Daniel 9:27 and the 70th week. IOW, Daniel 7:21 is meaning the 2nd half of the 70th week, you know, the part that involves abominations.

 

[rwb]

You are not being entirely clear here. There are 2 comings of Christ. Which coming are you applying to Daniel 7:22? The first coming or the 2nd coming?

The prophets foretell only of Messiah the Prince who would come. When He came all that was written of Him would be fulfilled. Christ came physically to earth a man with the spiritual Kingdom of God, and He will come a second time when the spiritual Kingdom of God is complete and time given this earth for building the spiritual Kingdom of God as the Gospel is proclaimed, shall be no longer. Therefore, ALL the prophecies of Old will be fulfilled and have been fulfilled through Christ, the Messiah Savior.

Christ had to be born of human flesh and blood supernaturally that some of mankind would believe Him when He says His Kingdom has come, and that He reigns now as King of Kings over His spiritual Kingdom from His throne in heaven. For you to understand all that has been foretold from the prophets, you must let go of your belief that Christ will physically come to THIS earth again to establish what can only be called a temporary kingdom of God on THIS earth, and then for one thousand literal years all that is written of Him would be physically fulfilled.

When Christ ascended to heaven He received a kingdom, unlike all the kingdoms and empires of this world. His Kingdom is not made with human hands, and His Kingdom shall be forever. Daniel, like John in the Revelation was given visions from heaven of how warfare between the beast empires of this world would come against the building of the Kingdom of God. These battles, though they will bring physical suffering and death are spiritual battles between the armies of the kingdoms of the beast and the armies of the Kingdom of God.

You're trying so hard to figure out how all the prophecies given from Daniel and John that are presented using symbolic imagery will be physically fulfilled, and trying so hard to fit your physical understanding into things that are not literal, that I fear you, like the Pharisees of Old, have not yet realized that Christ ushered in His Kingdom when He came to earth a man.

 

[Timtofly]

Only Jesus could fulfill those things. Without His death and resurrection, none of those things could be fulfilled. So, if your interpretation of the 70 week prophecy does not have Him being cut off (crucified) within the 70th week, it is a false doctrine as His death is crucial to fulfilling the prophecy. He was to be cut off after the end of the 69th week (Daniel 9:26) and that placed the timing of His death within the 70th week.

Your interpretation becomes a false doctrine when you insist that Jesus sat on the throne in Jerusalem as the Prince to come, to complete the last half of the 70th week.


The Messiah part has been fulfilled. But the promises have not, as humans are still born into death and sin. The transgression of Adam is very much still in force today. Everlasting righteousness is not evident in Israel, much less the "Christian world".

According to you, Daniel is still dead in the grave and has not even been made alive, so how can Daniel be enjoying these promises, as your false doctrine ensures that Daniel is not experiencing:

The end of the transgression.

The end of sin.

The reconciliation of iniquity.

The everlasting righteousness.

What Daniel saw in the future has not been fulfilled.

What Jesus did was crucial. Jesus was not cut off in death. Jesus ascended to Heaven and the promises to Israel was placed on hold, so that billions of Gentiles could experience those same promises one day.

Can you prove you no longer have a mortal body, and the transgression is finished for you? Do you live a sinless life? Has all your iniquity finished, and you will never have any future iniquity? Are you living out everlasting righteousness?


Do you not understand that if those things were true as you imply, Jesus would have already reigned in righteousness on earth on the throne of David for a thousand years? It has almost been 2,000 years as you insist in your sin free millennium of Jesus as King sitting on David's throne. Messiah meaning Christ, Prince meaning King.

There would be no more mortals, but only those in God's permanent incorruptible physical bodies per Genesis 1:26-28.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

This is what life would have been if those promises were instituted at the Cross, and Jesus would have reigned on David's throne. That is the promise and reality after the 70th week is finished.

No one is denying that Jesus is not reigning now. Jesus has been reigning since day one, as those created on the 6th day (sons of God) have the physical post resurrection image of Jesus Christ, who has always existed as the alpha and omega. Jesus may have been born at a certain point in time, but if you accept the Trinity then you have to accept that Jesus was the pattern for the human body as well. Jesus told His disciples He was going away to prepare a place, heaven and earth. Jesus even told them they already knew that, as it was recorded in Genesis by Moses. You say, in Christ, we have those promises. Those promises, in Christ, existed since day 1. All the sons of God enjoyed:

"to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

They all lived this experience until Adam disobeyed God. Your interpretation was true, in Christ, for Abraham and all those others found in Hebrews 11, not just post 30AD humanity. They all could experience what you experience in Christ even before Daniel wrote about it. Do you think your faith is any different from those in Hebrews 11?

So why does your doctrine imply it can only be spiritual and only since the Cross, and not across the entire creation as God intended?

Do you think that God did not set free those waiting in sheol, and allowed them into physical Paradise, where the tree of life is, as part of the work on the Cross, as Paul explains in Ephesians 4:8-11


"Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers."

Do you think when Paul was talking about the lower parts of the earth, he was talking about those physically alive only?

I get that you are idealist and perhaps cannot grasp the reality of life as us realist do. That does no mean we are bad people as you seem to keep implying, by calling reality, nonsensical. Jesus did indeed call all the OT out of their graves, at the Cross, when He said it is finished. They have been literally made alive, not symbolically (ideally). They have been physically in Paradise since that day, not spiritually thinking about how great it will be at some future resurrection. Those in Paradise are experiencing Daniel 9:24 even more so than you are. People on earth are not.

 

[Timtofly]

Zoa, I know we do not agree on the 4th beast kingdom, but have you ever considered that it was the Messiah as the Passover Lamb of God, the perfect sacrifice was the One who done away with the daily sacerifice and offerings? After the cross, there was no further need for animal sacrifices, offerings and the Temple, the Sanctuary and the 4 Spring feast days were fulfilled by the Messiah.

The Temple, Sanctuary, the holy vessels, and the holy feast days were a type and shadow of the things to come... that being the coming of the Messiah when He would fufill them and they were no longer needed.....

Not even Paul saw the daily sacrifices taken away, even if they should have been in theory.

The yearly sacrifice was definitely taken away as the temple veil was rent in two, revealing the Holy of Holies.

Acts 21:26-27

"Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them. And when the seven days were almost ended."

Obviously Paul did not take issue with a continual daily sacrifice at the Temple in Jerusalem. Even though a man tried to stop him from even going to Jerusalem.

Had the Jews not started a civil war among themselves, the Temple life would have continued for decades longer. They destroyed their own Temple and city.

 

[CTK]

Not even Paul saw the daily sacrifices taken away, even if they should have been in theory.

The yearly sacrifice was definitely taken away as the temple veil was rent in two, revealing the Holy of Holies.

Acts 21:26-27

"Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them. And when the seven days were almost ended."

Obviously Paul did not take issue with a continual daily sacrifice at the Temple in Jerusalem. Even though a man tried to stop him from even going to Jerusalem.

Had the Jews not started a civil war among themselves, the Temple life would have continued for decades longer. They destroyed their own Temple and city.

Not sure what is your point. Sorry. If you would like to elaborate further I would like to hear your thoughts.

 

[Timtofly]

Not sure what is your point. Sorry. If you would like to elaborate further I would like to hear your thoughts.

The daily sacrifices were still observed by Paul decades after the Cross. Paul did not consider them an abomination.

 

[CTK]

The daily sacrifices were still observed by Paul decades after the Cross. Paul did not consider them an abomination.

I don't believe that is true. He spent 3 years in the desert with Jesus where Jesus showed him everything that was written about Him in the Scriptures..... that He was the Passover Lamb of God who took away the sin of the world...

Please show me anywhere that Paul still kept the daily sacrifices and offerings......

 

[CTK]

Not even Paul saw the daily sacrifices taken away, even if they should have been in theory.

The yearly sacrifice was definitely taken away as the temple veil was rent in two, revealing the Holy of Holies.

Acts 21:26-27

"Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them. And when the seven days were almost ended."

Obviously Paul did not take issue with a continual daily sacrifice at the Temple in Jerusalem. Even though a man tried to stop him from even going to Jerusalem.

Had the Jews not started a civil war among themselves, the Temple life would have continued for decades longer. They destroyed their own Temple and city.

I would respectfully ask that you read much more of Acts - both before verse 26 and after to understand what Paul was having to go through after he returned from his missionary work and can back to Jerusalem and was cornered by Jews claiming he no longer followed the laws of Mosess or the traditions of the Jews. This particular set of verses deals with the 4 Gentiles who converted and they wanted to be purified... not the daily sacrifice and offerings associated with the removal of sin each day and night.

 

[Timtofly]

I don't believe that is true. He spent 3 years in the desert with Jesus where Jesus showed him everything that was written about Him in the Scriptures..... that He was the Passover Lamb of God who took away the sin of the world...

Please show me anywhere that Paul still kept the daily sacrifices and offerings......

I already did:

Not even Paul saw the daily sacrifices taken away, even if they should have been in theory.

The yearly sacrifice was definitely taken away as the temple veil was rent in two, revealing the Holy of Holies.

Acts 21:26-27

"Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them. And when the seven days were almost ended."

Obviously Paul did not take issue with a continual daily sacrifice at the Temple in Jerusalem. Even though a man tried to stop him from even going to Jerusalem.

Had the Jews not started a civil war among themselves, the Temple life would have continued for decades longer. They destroyed their own Temple and city.

 

[Timtofly]

I would respectfully ask that you read much more of Acts - both before verse 26 and after to understand what Paul was having to go through after he returned from his missionary work and can back to Jerusalem and was cornered by Jews claiming he no longer followed the laws of Mosess or the traditions of the Jews. This particular set of verses deals with the 4 Gentiles who converted and they wanted to be purified... not the daily sacrifice and offerings associated with the removal of sin each day and night.

What is the difference? You never specified which daily sacrifices. A sacrifice may mean many things, but still an animal sacrifice and part of the law. None of the sacrifices provided salvation, ever. It was obedience to God and doing what was expected from the Law.

No one had to make a sacrifice specifically for salvation. They were born into "salvation", until they stopped holding up their end of the Covenant. That is, when they stopped all types of sacrifices, and turned to pagan gods.

The point is no sacrifices were necessary, but since the Temple was still there that is what took place and was not considered an abomination, nor wrong by Paul.

 

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What is the difference? You never specified which daily sacrifices. A sacrifice may mean many things, but still an animal sacrifice and part of the law. None of the sacrifices provided salvation, ever. It was obedience to God and doing what was expected from the Law.

No one had to make a sacrifice specifically for salvation. They were born into "salvation", until they stopped holding up their end of the Covenant. That is, when they stopped all types of sacrifices, and turned to pagan gods.

The point is no sacrifices were necessary, but since the Temple was still there that is what took place and was not considered an abomination, nor wrong by Paul.

Thank you for your response! I believe the "daily" sacrifice only points to one event and that is when each day at 9 AM and 3 PM, the same time the Messiah was placed on the cross and the time of His death. Jesus fulfilled this sacrifice and offering found in Leviticus.