The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

[Spiritual Israelite]

Do you have a link to the thread ?

I don't. I'm trying to find it. It was probably at least a year ago that I created it at this point. When I'm searching I'm getting a lot of posts that come up, so I'm trying to narrow it down. I'll give it to you if I find it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

With that reasoning you could say the 70th week is still going on today.

You’re trying to cram a square peg in a round hole.

Please read everything I say so that you don't end up saying ridiculous things like this. I specifically said that it was the preaching of the gospel first in Israel that comprised that last part of the 70th week. The prophecy is about what Jesus would do for Daniel's people, Israel, in particular, right? And you understand that the gospel was first preached in Israel before it went out to the Gentile nations?

 

[IndianaRob]

Please read everything I say so that you don't end up saying ridiculous things like this. I specifically said that it was the preaching of the gospel first in Israel that comprised that last part of the 70th week. The prophecy is about what Jesus would do for Daniel's people, Israel, in particular, right? And you understand that the gospel was first preached in Israel before it went out to the Gentile nations?

You can make up anything you want I suppose.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You can make up anything you want I suppose.

LOL. Great response, buddy. Great talk. Nice job of doing absolutely nothing to refute what I said. Well done.

 

[Douggg]

I don't. I'm trying to find it. It was probably at least a year ago that I created it at this point. When I'm searching I'm getting a lot of posts that come up, so I'm trying to narrow it down. I'll give it to you if I find it.

I just started a new thread on "The six things of Daniel 9:24 "

 

[CTK]

Thanks for your reply. I believe Daniels 70 weeks are literal 7 day weeks.

I believe “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city” means Israel and earthly Jerusalem will cease to exist.

Oh, I have not heard that interpretation before. I am aware that approximately 99.99 % of folks have thrown the last week some 2000 years in the future, but not a literal 70 weeks. If you do not minc, can you tell me when this prophecy begins and ends and how the elements in 9"24-27 materialize? look forward to your thoughts.

 

[CTK]

I agree with most of that but not the last part of the week. The verse says HE shall confirm the covenant with many for one week meaning the events confirming the covenant would be accomplished by Jesus.

I don’t see how the disciples preaching the gospel for 3 1/2 years after his death could be considered something that Jesus did.

If I may, the NC was not a 7 year covenant... This ties in perfectly with the rest of Chapter 9. It was DURING this last "set aside" week that the Messiah would confirm the covenant. God has never entered into a "limited" covenant with mankind... They have been conditional, but He has always fulfilled His side of the arrangement.

 

[IndianaRob]

Oh, I have not heard that interpretation before. I am aware that approximately 99.99 % of folks have thrown the last week some 2000 years in the future, but not a literal 70 weeks. If you do not minc, can you tell me when this prophecy begins and ends and how the elements in 9"24-27 materialize? look forward to your thoughts.

I don’t mind at all CTK but I’ll have to do it tomorrow.

 

[IndianaRob]

Oh, I have not heard that interpretation before. I am aware that approximately 99.99 % of folks have thrown the last week some 2000 years in the future, but not a literal 70 weeks. If you do not minc, can you tell me when this prophecy begins and ends and how the elements in 9"24-27 materialize? look forward to your

The 70th week is the key to understanding the prophecy. Jesus rode in to Jerusalem on Palm Sunday as King of kings, a few days later he was cut off. Exactly 7 days later he rose from the dead. The resurrection of Christ confirmed the promises God made to Abraham.

The 7 weeks are the restoration ministry of John the Baptist. The 62 weeks are the ministry of Christ.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I just started a new thread on "The six things of Daniel 9:24 "

I found the thread I was talking about that I had created about that, but it was actually on the other forum I post on (you post there, too) and was from a few years ago. I will just repost my original post from that thread in the new thread you created and we'll go from there.

 

[David in NJ]

If I might add my 2 cents to this... I would ask that you might consider the 10 toes are the same as the 10 horns and are the same as the 10 kings and are the same as the Saints of the Most High in Chapter 8.

The Chapter 2 metal man image gave us the "blueprints" of the four kingdoms that God would bring out of the sea. There are these 4 and only 4. Also, each body part of the metal man and the associated metal type is purposeful. It establishes the internal borders and boundaries for each of the 4 kingdoms, while the metal man image from head to toes represent the external kingdoms that will come upon the earth. God has given us these restrictions, guidllines so our interpretations will be found within them. Each of these 4 kingdoms will have their own actors and events that will take place and there is no bleeding over to the next kingdom. This is purposeful so we must honor His guidlines and boundaries. But what I believe has also been designed within Daniel is the following: Just as God has given us the only 4 kingdoms in Chapter 2, He has also given or used different symbols for each of the 4 kingdoms in the latter chapters of Daniel (especially 7 and 8), however, the number and identities of the 4 kingdoms will never change - God will use different symbols to provide us with additional characteristics and attrributes so we can identify them and also learn their mission in His plan of salvation.

This is important because God is alsos using this same method to reveal the different characteristics and attributes of the 10 toes / horns / kings / Sainst of the Most High. Just like the 4 kingdoms, these 10 are the same entity but they are presented differently as time moves forward through those kingdoms.

So, here is an important point... the 10 toes in Chapter 2 were sitting at the end of the feet that was part of pagan Rome. In Chapter 7, they are no longer found within the feet but are now outside of the 4th kingdom beast of pagan Rome and they are "coming out of or out from the 4th beast kingdom,: and are being referred to as 10 horns (powers). Later, they will be found at the top of the 4th beast kingdom and Daniel now refers to them as 10 kings. And, then they will also be referred to later on as the Saints of the Most High.

So, what is going on? And since the 10 toes were in existence while they were within the feet of pagan Rome, and pagan Rome was slain and its body was destroyed (7:11), then the 10 toes had to be in existence before their destruction which occurred around 476 AD.

What do you think?

I would ask that you might consider the 10 toes are the same as the 10 horns and are the same as the 10 kings and are the same as the Saints of the Most High in Chapter 8.

More insanity...................

 

[David in NJ]

The 70th week is the key to understanding the prophecy. Jesus rode in to Jerusalem on Palm Sunday as King of kings, a few days later he was cut off. Exactly 7 days later he rose from the dead. The resurrection of Christ confirmed the promises God made to Abraham.

The 7 weeks are the restoration ministry of John the Baptist. The 62 weeks are the ministry of Christ.

HalleluYAH
Somebody can SEE

 

[IndianaRob]

HalleluYAH
Somebody can SEE

It’s not really the ability to see, it’s the ability to read the Bible and believe every single word as it’s written even when it goes against what we THINK it should be saying.

 

[David in NJ]

It’s not really the ability to see, it’s the ability to read the Bible and believe every single word as it’s written even when it goes against what we THINK it should be saying.

AGREE,
and that is exactly what i am portraying when i use the verb 'SEE' in all caps.

To 'SEE' means: "the ability to read the Bible and believe every single word as it’s written even when it goes against what we THINK it should be saying."

 

[David in NJ]

HalleluYAH
Somebody can SEE

The 7 weeks are the restoration ministry of John the Baptist. The 62 weeks are the ministry of Christ.

However, this part i do not agree with.

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The 70th Week is MESSIAH

How do we know this to be truth???

Daniel 9:24
And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;"

MESSIAH was "cut-off" in the middle of the 70th Week.

 

[CTK]

More insanity...................

Why?

 

[IndianaRob]

However, this part i do not agree with.

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The 70th Week is MESSIAH

How do we know this to be truth???

Daniel 9:24
And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;"

MESSIAH was "cut-off" in the middle of the 70th Week.

I agree with that, the 70th week is all about the messiah.

What do you believe the 7 and 62 weeks are?

 

[David in NJ]

Why?

10 toes are the same as the 10 horns and are the same as the 10 kings and are the same as the Saints of the Most High in Chapter 8.

So God is going to destroy the Saints of the Most High???

 

[CTK]

So God is going to destroy the Saints of the Most High???

For the moment, let's leave out the "saints of the Most High" because that is a study in and of itself that demands its own discussion. Please address the rest of the comments in what I had mentioned - the 10 toes, the 10 horns, the 10 kings... the progression of these symbols through the 4th beast kingdom, the comments on the method of looking at the 4 kingdoms as they move through the next 10 chapters after Chapter 2... do the 4 kingdoms retain their identity, or are there 4 different kingdoms in Chapters 7, 8, etc., as some contend.... Look forward to your response.

 

[David in NJ]

For the moment, let's leave out the "saints of the Most High" because that is a study in and of itself that demands its own discussion. Please address the rest of the comments in what I had mentioned - the 10 toes, the 10 horns, the 10 kings... the progression of these symbols through the 4th beast kingdom, the comments on the method of looking at the 4 kingdoms as they move through the next 10 chapters after Chapter 2... do the 4 kingdoms retain their identity, or are there 4 different kingdoms in Chapters 7, 8, etc., as some contend.... Look forward to your response.

The moment anyone(myself included) lays down a falsehood as truth we will continue to veer away from TRUTH, weaving back and forth.

The LORD says to us: "make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be dislocated, but rather be healed."

Let us begin with: "Saints of the Most High"

You can ask me to PROVE that the Saints of the Most High are not the ten toes.