The problem with the Bible alone!

[amigo de christo]

We are running out of time. This is the last hour.
Let’s keep with the KJV bibles.

Thanks for the specific reminder of the KJV . Now let all that has breath praise the glorious and wonderous LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

We are running out of time. This is the last hour.
Let’s keep with the KJV bibles.

Most folks would find this as doom and gloom . NOT ME . I say as did JOHN , EVEN SO COME GLORIOUS LORD JESUS COME .
This world aint our home . Lambs know where HOME IS , ITS WITH THE GLORIOUS KING .

 

[Taken]

You won't get yes or no, but a dissertation on everything Roman catholic to (self) prove the Roman catholic church is everything Roman catholics say it is.

Oh, I know.
Nothing surprising.
They have their pocket full of old worn out indoctrinated tactics.

Demands you prove a negative.
Demands you prove what they say for you, lol
Deflections.
Accusations.
Never give a straight answer.
Blah, blah, blah...

 

[Taken]

first lie about the "selling" of Indulgences that I exposed . . .

Ignoring History is not exposing a lie! LOL

 

[Taken]

The problem with the Bible alone!
OP

"No problem" exists with the Bible alone!

THE WORD OF GOD, IS PRCISELY WHAT DWELLS IN AND FEEDS A CONVERTED MANS SPIRIT!

Bible alone problem.....Pfffff

 

[theefaith]

And you are just another lock-step Roman catholic whose fealty is to pope first, Roman church second, Mary third, and I'm not even sure where you put Christ.

that is fealty to Christ

Christ and his church are one acts 9:4


Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me I send you! Same power mission and authority

 

[GRACE ambassador]

PRCISELY

AMEN! Absolutely PRECISELY!! God's WORD Of Truth HE MAGNIFIED
ABOVE All of HIS HOLY Name! (Psalms 138:2 KJB!) Hallelujah!

Praise HIS Holy Name, now And FOREVERMORE!!!

 

[theefaith]

Changing the goal posts.

The point is about authority. Jesus did not have authority because someone said he did. The proof is in the pudding. He demonstrated his authority by performing miracles. And he demonstrated who he gave authority to by the same token; they too performed miracles. These are the Apostles.

When the 2nd Coming of Christ comes, we will know it, not because someone said he is back but by the miracles, wonders and signs. The proof is in the pudding and it aint in the Catholic Church.

Sadly, the more you claim to have authority over others, the weaker you are shown to be. By all means, carry on.

He demonstrated his divinity by miracles
We don’t claim divinity for the apostles

there is no grace or forgiveness or miracles or martyrs or salvation outside the church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles

 

[LTJMP14]

Most folks would find this as doom and gloom . NOT ME . I say as did JOHN , EVEN SO COME GLORIOUS LORD JESUS COME .
This world aint our home . Lambs know where HOME IS , ITS WITH THE GLORIOUS KING .

Amen. Maranatha.

 

[rockytopva]

He demonstrated his divinity by miracles
We don’t claim divinity for the apostles

there is no grace or forgiveness or miracles or martyrs or salvation outside the church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles

Paul is declared Apostle of the Gentiles. Where did he tell us to follow Peter?

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: - Romans 11:13

If anything Paul had rebuke for Peter…

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. - Galatians 2

 

[LTJMP14]

Paul is declared Apostle of the Gentiles. Where did he tell us to follow Peter?

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: - Romans 11:13

If anything Paul had rebuke for Peter…

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. - Galatians 2

Rocky Top. I've been there. When I visited Staunton. Don't ask why I visited Staunton. Just did.

 

[Taken]

He demonstrated his divinity by miracles
We don’t claim divinity for the apostles

there is no grace or forgiveness or miracles or martyrs or salvation outside the church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles

ESTABLISHED ON: Every Converted Believer IN AGREEMENT, THAT:
Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

FOUNDED ON: CHRIST THE ROCK
IMMEDIETELY ADDED: IN CHRIST STONES.
EVERY PERSON ADDED: IS STONE, UPON STONE, UPON STONE, UPON STONE, UPON STONE, (until the End of DAYS.)
THAT "CHRIST'S CHURCH" CAN NEVER...Faulter or Fall!

 

[LTJMP14]

He demonstrated his divinity by miracles
We don’t claim divinity for the apostles

there is no grace or forgiveness or miracles or martyrs or salvation outside the church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles

Salvation is by God's grace alone. The church exhorts and edifies, but only by God's grace are ye saved.

 

[BreadOfLife]

What makes you so certain that Jesus and His disciples did not speak Greek or Latin, for that matter? Judeans were several generations under helenistic rule where learning all things Greek was a requirement. All of the NT manuscripts and fragments, save one, is written in Greek. I am sure they all knew Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, and probably Latin as well. You can presume to know all, but you actually know little.

Virtually every credible Bible scholar knows that they spoke ARAMAIC to one another, partially due to the overt clues in the NT..

Some Aramaic verses in the New Testament:
Mark 5:431 - “Talitha koum!”
Mark 7:34 - “Ephphatha!”
1 Cor. 1:12, 1 Cor. 15:5, Gal. 2:9 - "Cephas", the Greek transliteration of Aramaic "Kepha"

Only an uneducated Bible reader would NOT recognize this . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Here is my answer . May it sink deep into your mind and your heart . I NEVER said THEY WERE THE CHURCH .
I said LAMBS WHO LOVE JESUS . That means hearers and doers , that means those who actually LOVE JESUS , HIS WORDS
and the apostels doctrine . THEY HEAR and they DO and for them its all joy TO DO SO .
THAT IS THE CHURCH . GUESS what , ITS A VERY SMALL REMNANT INDEED . Simpliest walk ever . JUST LOVE JESUS LOVE HIS EVERY WORD , LOVE TRUTH and from that we can see how to love the other . This is something the CC knoweth not .
OH it has some truths , But so do many other false churches . SOME TRUTHS , SOME LIES . Mens religoin .
But pure religoin COMES FROM JESUS . And lambs love TRUTH , not falsehoods .

That may be what you're saying now - but it's NOT what you said before I exposed you.

Anyway - the rest of what you're saying is Scripturally-bankrupt.
Whether YOU like it or not - Jesus left us with a Church - and a hierarchy (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 17:20-21, 1 Thess. 5:12 , 1 Tim. 5:17, 1 Cor. 12:28).

Your Lone Ranger approach to Christianity is found NOWHERE in Scripture . . .

 

[LTJMP14]

Virtually every credible Bible scholar knows that they spoke ARAMAIC to one another, partially due to the overt clues in the NT..

Some Aramaic verses in the New Testament:
Mark 5:431 - “Talitha koum!”
Mark 7:34 - “Ephphatha!”
1 Cor. 1:12, 1 Cor. 15:5, Gal. 2:9 - "Cephas", the Greek transliteration of Aramaic "Kepha"

Only an uneducated Bible reader would NOT recognize this . . .

Yes, of course they spoke Aramaic, and did so from their time in, and of the return from, Babylon. They also spoke Greek, Hebrew, and Latin.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The ekklesia meet in houses, we meet in halls, in fields and in jungles, we meet in buildings of all kinds and dimensions in locations all over the globe, and we meet in wonderfully constructed undertakings, the likes of which took decades to construct costing many men their lives and some a small fortune. We may call ourselves protestant, reformed, messianic, orthodox, baptist, catholic, nondenominational, but we are all those who are truly born again, whose hearts and minds and souls belong exclusively to Jesus Christ, and whom Jesus Christ has called to Himself to be His disciples, all of whom know that we have passed from death to live already and fear nothing in this world can separate us from our eternal security in heaven with our Saviour and Lord Christ Jesus. Are you one among us?

Then, perhaps YOU can tell me:
WHICH one is the Authority spoken of in Matt. 18:15-18 that settles matters between the brethren?
If a Baptist and a Calvinist have a matter to settle - WHO do they turn to?

WHICH one teaches the right doctrines??
Some Protestant denominations believe in baptismal regeneration, while others do not.
Some believe in soul-sleep, while others do not.
Some believe in the total depravity of man, while others do not.
Some believe in the Holy Trinity, while others do not.
Some believe in doctrine of “once saved, always saved”, while others do not.
Some believe in a pre-tribulation “Rapture”, while others do not.
Some believe that only those who were predestined will make it to heaven, while others do not.
Some believe that some were predestined for hell, while others do not.
Some believe in a woman’s right to choose abortion, while others do not.
Some believe that practicing homosexuality is a sin, while others do not.
Most believe in contraception, while others do not – and the list goes on.

WHO is right??

 

[Wrangler]

We don’t claim divinity for the apostles

By what authority do you presume to speak for the brethren, "we?"

You make claims without evidence, desperately stretching those who walked with Jesus and endowed with miraculous power as a term to apply to corrupt men in councils.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, of course they spoke Aramaic, and did so from their time in, and of the return from, Babylon. They also spoke Greek, Hebrew, and Latin.

Nothin' like good, old-fashion DENIAL in the face of incontrovertible evidence. . .

 

[LTJMP14]

Then, perhaps YOU can tell me:
WHICH one is the Authority spoken of in Matt. 18:15-18 that settles matters between the brethren?
If a Baptist and a Calvinist have a matter to settle - WHO do they turn to?

WHICH one teaches the right doctrines??
Some Protestant denominations believe in baptismal regeneration, while others do not.
Some believe in soul-sleep, while others do not.
Some believe in the total depravity of man, while others do not.
Some believe in the Holy Trinity, while others do not.
Some believe in doctrine of “once saved, always saved”, while others do not.
Some believe in a pre-tribulation “Rapture”, while others do not.
Some believe that only those who were predestined will make it to heaven, while others do not.
Some believe that some were predestined for hell, while others do not.
Some believe in a woman’s right to choose abortion, while others do not.
Some believe that practicing homosexuality is a sin, while others do not.
Most believe in contraception, while others do not – and the list goes on.

WHO is right??

I prefer the word of God and what the Spirit of God guides me to and speaks to my conscious in regard thereto. As to matters in dispute, many godly men have positions that differ one from another, but unless one's position is clearly unsupported by any scripture, I think what Rupertus Meldenius said is a fine way to settle matters: "In essentials unity, in doubtful or nonessential things liberty, in all things charity."