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The ekklesia has been constant and unmitigating from the 1st century, namely: born again repentant believers and followers of Jesus Christ.

Tell me, since you act as tough you know more than the rest of us: What denomination was Jesus?
Jesus didn't belong to a denomination - and the Catholic Church isn't one, either.
It's the Original Tree from which Protestantism splintered - and continues to splinter.

Denominations are man made Protestant factions.
 

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Jesus didn't belong to a denomination - and the Catholic Church isn't one, either.
It's the Original Tree from which Protestantism splintered - and continues to splinter.

Denominations are man made Protestant factions.
Rome corrupted the original katholikos ekklesia and it's been a money hungry, power hungry, corrupt organization ever since.
 
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Jesus didn't belong to a denomination - and the Catholic Church isn't one, either.
It's the Original Tree from which Protestantism splintered - and continues to splinter.

Denominations are man made Protestant factions.
Next thing we'll see out of the Holy See is the pope praying in a Muslim mosque alongside an imam who rejects Jesus Christ and Christians. Oh, wait...
 

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Rome corrupted the original katholikos ekklesia and it's been a money hungry, power hungry, corrupt organization ever since.
Really?
WHEN
did this happen?

Just give me a decade . . .
 

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Next thing we'll see out of the Holy See is the pope praying in a Muslim mosque alongside an imam who rejects Jesus Christ and Christians. Oh, wait...
That's about the caliber of response I expected from someone of your limited ability.
 

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So what is?
There is absolute evidence from the Books of Daniel and Revelation that the Papal system is the Beast and the AntiChrist. A time will come when all churches and political systems will come under the RCC and everyone whose names are not written in the Book of Life will worship the Beast and the AntiChrist pope. This is the son of perdition that will be revealed once the true bride of Christ is taken up in the Rapture, and it will signal the imminent return of Christ to the world. He will come and totally destroy the Beast and the AntiChrist and set up His everlasting kingdom where every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of all.
 

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That's about the caliber of response I expected from someone of your limited ability.
Oh, so you do remember Frank doing that with the mufti. Praying alongside an infidel like the pope probably stirred that mufti up like none before. Wonder what he did when he got home to the Mrs and the kids.
 

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It's not John I don't believe - it's YOU.
No, it's John you do not believe. You say John is wrong and that we need a hierarchy of Catholic priests to tell us what is right and what is false. John says the believer himself has the Spirit to tell them what they hear is right or if it is false.

"...as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. " 1 John 2:27

So tell me why you don't agree with John about this. Why do you Catholics say we need a special priesthood to tell us what is true and what is false, while John says we have an anointing of the Spirit that does that so that we don't need anyone to do that for us?


You're not making sense because in ONE breath you embrace Protestant factionism - and in the next breath you condemn it.

That's called, "Hypocrisy" . . .
No, I believe that there are false teachers who don't have the Spirit among us that divide the visible church up into factions, because that's who the Bible says does that (Jude 1:19). But, ultimately, they can not divide up the true body of Christ because a true believer equipped with the Spirit of discernment will see their falseness for what it is (see above). A blind guide can't lead a person who sees. Only a blind person who can't see falls into the pit with a blind guide (Matthew 15:14).
 
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I exposed the inventing of "history".
PROVE me wrong . . .

History stands for itself.
You can accept history or reject it.
What "you do", has zero effect on me.

You yourself, on one hand give Gentiles, calling themselves "Catholics", calling their Churches "THE only Church Christ established", YOUR Touted Credit...
THEN: You yourself, "DIVIDE / SEPARATE", so called "Catholic Priests", who have committed unspeakable acts, AND "Catholic members" who do not follow "Catholic protocol", to YOUR satisfaction.

FACT IS: FROM THE BEGINNING OF MANKIND
* The WORD of God has STOOD Supreme OVER every thought and act of mankind.
* God HIMSELF, established DIVISION, Between MEN.
* God HIMSELF, established DIVISION, BY NAMED GROUPS...
....Hebrews, Gentiles, Israel, Tribes...
* AND...
* God HIMSELF, established "INDIVIDUAL" DIVISION, WITHIN the NAMED "GROUPS"...


* HISTORICALLY to PRESENT DAY ...
Any man... STANDING IN association with ANY particular "GROUP"... (established BY God, or mankind himself)...
* CAN DEFEND the GROUP STANCE or NOT.
* CAN DEFEND his INDIVIDUAL STANCE or NOT.

* YOU clearly, ARE a DEFENDER of a "GENTILE MAN ESTABLISHED GROUP", called BY A GROUP NAME, Men Established, VIA, Councils, Dictation, Charter Rules, Appointments, called, "CATHOLIC".

* You get STUCK in the HEAP "of ALL things Catholic" TOUTED as "supreme", "holy", "infallible"... when it ISN'T.

* You MISSED the BIG PICTURE...
* GODS WORD, IS PARAMOUNT, IS SUPREME.
* JESUS...IS EXPRESSLY THE WORD OF GOD.
* JESUS'...OFFERING "IS TO "INDIVIDUALS"!
(Without CONSIDERATION of "GROUPS").
* CHRIST...IS the POWER OF GOD, "THAT";
....Accomplishes the "OFFERING TO and IN INDIVIDUALS", "WHO ACCEPT THE Lord Gods OFFERING".

THAT ^ has ZIP, NADA, ZERO, to do with ANY "GROUP" association.

YOUR DEFENSE of the GROUP....
"all things CATHOLIC"...
IS A Disasterous FAIL.


* THE MOST GLARING FAIL IS:
YOUR DEFENSE, of CATHOLIC "word",
" SUPERSEDES, GODS WORD."

Gods WORD STANDS SUPREME...
regardless IF:
Known, Spoken, Heard, Accepted, Written, Understood.


HISTORY, stands as it is.

Men...established "AS A GROUP"...FIRST...
THEN such men ALL BEING IN AGREEMENT with Each other IN the Group...
Revealed...a FAIL.

JESUS' Himself ESTABLISHED...
A NEW, BETTER TESTAMENT for mankind...
"INDIVIDUALS" ... BEING IN AGREEMENT ...
WITH GODS WORD...
(eliminated the "FLESH Man" GROUP Factor);
AND "established"...
AN INDIVIDUAL "MANS spirit", BEING QUICKENED 'FIRST'.... "THEN".... BEING ACCOUNTED, IN CHRIST'S "established, EXCLUSIVE GROUP"...ONCE and FOREVER.


Glory to God,
Taken
 

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History stands for itself.
You can accept history or reject it.
What "you do", has zero effect on me.

You yourself, on one hand give Gentiles, calling themselves "Catholics", calling their Churches "THE only Church Christ established", YOUR Touted Credit...
THEN: You yourself, "DIVIDE / SEPARATE", so called "Catholic Priests", who have committed unspeakable acts, AND "Catholic members" who do not follow "Catholic protocol", to YOUR satisfaction.

FACT IS: FROM THE BEGINNING OF MANKIND
* The WORD of God has STOOD Supreme OVER every thought and act of mankind.
* God HIMSELF, established DIVISION, Between MEN.
* God HIMSELF, established DIVISION, BY NAMED GROUPS...
....Hebrews, Gentiles, Israel, Tribes...
* AND...
* God HIMSELF, established "INDIVIDUAL" DIVISION, WITHIN the NAMED "GROUPS"...


* HISTORICALLY to PRESENT DAY ...
Any man... STANDING IN association with ANY particular "GROUP"... (established BY God, or mankind himself)...
* CAN DEFEND the GROUP STANCE or NOT.
* CAN DEFEND his INDIVIDUAL STANCE or NOT.

* YOU clearly, ARE a DEFENDER of a "GENTILE MAN ESTABLISHED GROUP", called BY A GROUP NAME, Men Established, VIA, Councils, Dictation, Charter Rules, Appointments, called, "CATHOLIC".

* You get STUCK in the HEAP "of ALL things Catholic" TOUTED as "supreme", "holy", "infallible"... when it ISN'T.

* You MISSED the BIG PICTURE...
* GODS WORD, IS PARAMOUNT, IS SUPREME.
* JESUS...IS EXPRESSLY THE WORD OF GOD.
* JESUS'...OFFERING "IS TO "INDIVIDUALS"!
(Without CONSIDERATION of "GROUPS").
* CHRIST...IS the POWER OF GOD, "THAT";
....Accomplishes the "OFFERING TO and IN INDIVIDUALS", "WHO ACCEPT THE Lord Gods OFFERING".

THAT ^ has ZIP, NADA, ZERO, to do with ANY "GROUP" association.

YOUR DEFENSE of the GROUP....
"all things CATHOLIC"...
IS A Disasterous FAIL.


* THE MOST GLARING FAIL IS:
YOUR DEFENSE, of CATHOLIC "word",
" SUPERSEDES, GODS WORD."

Gods WORD STANDS SUPREME...
regardless IF:
Known, Spoken, Heard, Accepted, Written, Understood.


HISTORY, stands as it is.

Men...established "AS A GROUP"...FIRST...
THEN such men ALL BEING IN AGREEMENT with Each other IN the Group...
Revealed...a FAIL.

JESUS' Himself ESTABLISHED...
A NEW, BETTER TESTAMENT for mankind...
"INDIVIDUALS" ... BEING IN AGREEMENT ...
WITH GODS WORD...
(eliminated the "FLESH Man" GROUP Factor);
AND "established"...
AN INDIVIDUAL "MANS spirit", BEING QUICKENED 'FIRST'.... "THEN".... BEING ACCOUNTED, IN CHRIST'S "established, EXCLUSIVE GROUP"...ONCE and FOREVER.


Glory to God,
Taken
"Thy Word is truth" (John 17.17).

It was reported from Russia that the personal office of Lenin - the arch-atheist - was lately being used for Bible study...
 
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"Thy Word is truth" (John 17.17).

It was reported from Russia that the personal office of Lenin - the arch-atheist - was lately being used for Bible study...

The thing ABOUT SCRIPTURE...(the Written, Published, Word of God)...

IS IT IS a BOOK of "DO THIS...DON'T DO THAT.

BIBLE (reading, study, following, IS TWO FOLD)...

Accepting following, doing..."DO THIS"...

Accepting following, doing.."DON'T DO THAT"!

IOW - the BIBLE IS A COMPLETE BOOK,
FOR "ALL" MEN....
** the COMPLETE GUIDE, of EXACTLY WHAT TO DO, in compliance with God;
** the COMPLETE GUIDE, of EXACTLY WHAT TO DO, in defiance against God.

(And BTW, the US federal government was established with the same principles...
The US Constitution...of WHAT TO DO; (WITH LIMITS) and the Federalist Papers (essays), revealing....the TO DO...AND the NOT TO DO.
* Historically, SITTING govt reps...
We call "corrupt"... follow the "DO NOT DO".
* Presently...(regarding the US) ...every "DO NOT DO"... is being followed by sitting reps..to a tee.
* Presently...(regarding world sitting reps) ...every "SCRIPTURAL DO NOT DO"...is being followed, encouraged, mandated, forced....by sitting reps...to a tee.

* So yes... NOT surprised...BIBLE STUDY...is as much a COMPLETE GUIDE...
FOR the "DO THIS" crowd...
As it is;
FOR the "DO NOT DO THAT" crowd...

Glory to God,
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If we don’t have the successors of Peter and the apostles then there is no church no sacraments no grace no salvation no teaching without error no baptism of disciples

matt 28:19 behold (miracle) I am with you (apostles) to the end!
Still have apostles!

Jesus stated that Jerusalem would be trampled on until the end of the appointed time of the nations. He foretold that false christs would arise, and Paul made it clear there would be an apostasy. God never leaves Himself without witness so during those days of apostasy there would be a few anointed disciples along the way, but God would not gather His people until the last days like you mentioned at Isa 2:2,3 in your last post to me. When Jesus was enthroned as King, that ended the appointed times of the nations, and we entered into the last days.
 

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How much is the Roman catholic church worth: $30 billion, 40, 50, 100 billion dollars? They're pretty tight lipped about their net worth, but some would say that all the artwork alone makes it a priceless entity.
The Catholic Church is the LARGEST charitable organization in the WORLD.

- Every day, the Catholic Church feeds, clothes, shelters and educates more people than ANY organization on the planet.

- Charities run by the Church include 5,305 hospitals including 1694 in the Americas and 1,150 in Africa.

- The Church also has 18,179 clinics including 5,762 in the Americas and 5,312 in Africa 3,884 in Asia.

- It also manages 17,223 homes for old people, the terminally ill and the handicapped – most of them (8,021) in Europe and the Americas (5,650).

- It also runs 9,882 orphanages – a third of them in Asia.



How many people does YOUR sect take care of?
That's what I thought . . .
 

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No, it's John you do not believe. You say John is wrong and that we need a hierarchy of Catholic priests to tell us what is right and what is false. John says the believer himself has the Spirit to tell them what they hear is right or if it is false.

"...as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. " 1 John 2:27

So tell me why you don't agree with John about this. Why do you Catholics say we need a special priesthood to tell us what is true and what is false, while John says we have an anointing of the Spirit that does that so that we don't need anyone to do that for us?
Because John is NOT negating the necessity of Teachers OR a hierarchy.
If he WAS - then he would be in direct opposition to Paul, who wrote:

1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

1 Cor. 12:28
Some people God has designated in the church to be, FIRST, apostles; SECOND, prophets; THIRD, teachers; then, mighty deeds; then, gifts of healing, assistance, administration, and varieties of tongues.

AND, don't forget that it was John who wrote:
John 17:20-21
“I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through THEIR WORD, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.

So, I believe John - not YOUR perversion of what he wrote.

No, I believe that there are false teachers who don't have the Spirit among us that divide the visible church up into factions, because that's who the Bible says does that (Jude 1:19). But, ultimately, they can not divide up the true body of Christ because a true believer equipped with the Spirit of discernment will see their falseness for what it is (see above). A blind guide can't lead a person who sees. Only a blind person who can't see falls into the pit with a blind guide (Matthew 15:14).
That's absolute nonsense.
If that were the case - then these tens of thousands of Protestant factions would be relatively SMALL - or non-existent.

What YOU are doing is condemning the majority of Protestants who follow these different and competing doctrines.
 

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History stands for itself.
You can accept history or reject it.
What "you do", has zero effect on me.

You yourself, on one hand give Gentiles, calling themselves "Catholics", calling their Churches "THE only Church Christ established", YOUR Touted Credit...
THEN: You yourself, "DIVIDE / SEPARATE", so called "Catholic Priests", who have committed unspeakable acts, AND "Catholic members" who do not follow "Catholic protocol", to YOUR satisfaction.

FACT IS: FROM THE BEGINNING OF MANKIND
* The WORD of God has STOOD Supreme OVER every thought and act of mankind.
* God HIMSELF, established DIVISION, Between MEN.
* God HIMSELF, established DIVISION, BY NAMED GROUPS...
....Hebrews, Gentiles, Israel, Tribes...
* AND...
* God HIMSELF, established "INDIVIDUAL" DIVISION, WITHIN the NAMED "GROUPS"...


* HISTORICALLY to PRESENT DAY ...
Any man... STANDING IN association with ANY particular "GROUP"... (established BY God, or mankind himself)...
* CAN DEFEND the GROUP STANCE or NOT.
* CAN DEFEND his INDIVIDUAL STANCE or NOT.

* YOU clearly, ARE a DEFENDER of a "GENTILE MAN ESTABLISHED GROUP", called BY A GROUP NAME, Men Established, VIA, Councils, Dictation, Charter Rules, Appointments, called, "CATHOLIC".

* You get STUCK in the HEAP "of ALL things Catholic" TOUTED as "supreme", "holy", "infallible"... when it ISN'T.

* You MISSED the BIG PICTURE...
* GODS WORD, IS PARAMOUNT, IS SUPREME.
* JESUS...IS EXPRESSLY THE WORD OF GOD.
* JESUS'...OFFERING "IS TO "INDIVIDUALS"!
(Without CONSIDERATION of "GROUPS").
* CHRIST...IS the POWER OF GOD, "THAT";
....Accomplishes the "OFFERING TO and IN INDIVIDUALS", "WHO ACCEPT THE Lord Gods OFFERING".

THAT ^ has ZIP, NADA, ZERO, to do with ANY "GROUP" association.

YOUR DEFENSE of the GROUP....
"all things CATHOLIC"...
IS A Disasterous FAIL.


* THE MOST GLARING FAIL IS:
YOUR DEFENSE, of CATHOLIC "word",
" SUPERSEDES, GODS WORD."

Gods WORD STANDS SUPREME...
regardless IF:
Known, Spoken, Heard, Accepted, Written, Understood.


HISTORY, stands as it is.

Men...established "AS A GROUP"...FIRST...
THEN such men ALL BEING IN AGREEMENT with Each other IN the Group...
Revealed...a FAIL.

JESUS' Himself ESTABLISHED...
A NEW, BETTER TESTAMENT for mankind...
"INDIVIDUALS" ... BEING IN AGREEMENT ...
WITH GODS WORD...
(eliminated the "FLESH Man" GROUP Factor);
AND "established"...
AN INDIVIDUAL "MANS spirit", BEING QUICKENED 'FIRST'.... "THEN".... BEING ACCOUNTED, IN CHRIST'S "established, EXCLUSIVE GROUP"...ONCE and FOREVER.


Glory to God,
Taken
Another LONG and psychotic rant - and yet you never addressed the challenge.

The matter of history that is in question here is whether or not the Catholic Church officially sanctioned the SELLING of Indulgences. I have shown that this was an ABUSE by some in the Church and NOT promulgated by the Pope.

YOU told me that I was "ignoring" history - and I asked you to prove me wrong.
You FAILED.
 

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The Catholic Church is the LARGEST charitable organization in the WORLD.

- Every day, the Catholic Church feeds, clothes, shelters and educates more people than ANY organization on the planet.

- Charities run by the Church include 5,305 hospitals including 1694 in the Americas and 1,150 in Africa.

- The Church also has 18,179 clinics including 5,762 in the Americas and 5,312 in Africa 3,884 in Asia.

- It also manages 17,223 homes for old people, the terminally ill and the handicapped – most of them (8,021) in Europe and the Americas (5,650).

- It also runs 9,882 orphanages – a third of them in Asia.



How many people does YOUR sect take care of?
That's what I thought . . .
The SDA cult does the same thing, and the Mormons' cult, too. In fact, the La Cosa Nostra is famous for all of its good deeds done in the neighborhoods and communities in which they are revered, hells angels motorcycle groups do likewise, all to show the world they aren't the bad guys that their painted as; they're really good people and all those critics are just bloviating for political purposes.
 

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The SDA cult does the same thing, and the Mormons' cult, too. In fact, the La Cosa Nostra is famous for all of its good deeds done in the neighborhoods and communities in which they are revered, hells angels motorcycle groups do likewise, all to show the world they aren't the bad guys that their painted as; they're really good people and all those critics are just bloviating for political purposes.
Nice try, sparky - but NOBODY even comes close to the money spent on charitable works than the Catholic Church - who is doing Christ's work on earth. More than most countries, in fact.

How many people does YOUR sect help??
That's what I thought . . .
 
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