The Pre-Trib Rapture

[Taken]

I already said Satan is constantly going back and forth from heaven to earth. What is your point, about holding a press conference to declare Satan is in charge?

Satan has had 6,000+ years ACCESS to Earth and Earth’s occupants to trick and deceive via cunning verbiage.

Satan WILL be given Greater Power (for a small amount of time), to Force people, with death threats, and ability to kill large numbers of people who reject him.

Not to worry. He who gives Satan greater power, will also take away Satan greater power...

Spiritually, I believe it is called, binding Satan in hell for 1,000 years.
Spiritually, I believe Satan is released, then battles, loses, and then bound permanently in the pit of hell.

Secularly, I would say it parallels to Satan being charged with Possession, found Guilty and Permanently being Separated from Gods People.

 

[Phoneman777]

Matthew 25:31-46. Can you find the word repentance?

The passage deals with the time of judgment which is BEYOND the opportunity to repent or remain stubborn in sin, so why should we expect to read about it?

 

[Phoneman777]

Is it yours? Here is the scripture speaking of the mark. WHERE IS SUNDAY WORSHIP MENTIONED????


Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

I've already answered this in this post:
The Pre-Trib Rapture

 

[Phoneman777]

No, it wasn't. Only a small part of it was on stone.

The Old Covenant "contract" consisted of two promises:
1. God's promise to bless Israel
2. Israel's promise, "All which the Lord hath spoken we shall do and be obedient".

That which God spoke at Sinai was the Ten Commandments. ​

The NC contains the same promises, except now God lifts His Ten Commandments from stone and writes them on our heart, according to 2 Corinthians 3:1-3 KJV and Hebrews 8:8-10 KJV. The Mosaic Law was simply that annoying fine print "shadow" of things to come which Colossians 2:16 KJV says was nailed to the Cross and is why Passover and circumcision may be safely disregarded, but the Ten Commandments "stand fast forever and ever".

The Saturday Sabbath is not part of the NC.

"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath". - Hebrews 4:9 Lamsa's Peshitta.

 

[Phoneman777]

Jesus did not leave any soul in Abraham's bosom. Jesus did not do a half way job of a resurrection. Not all the OT redeemed were buried in Jerusalem.

Jesus never said, "As soon as all the Christians of that last generation, gather in Jerusalem, He would return".

If all the dead saints since Adam went to Abraham's bosom, Abraham is as tall as the U.S. is wide, and his bosom is the size of Texas, right or wrong? Sorry, but the Rich Man and Lazarus is an uninterpreted parable.

(P.S. Job is still hiding "in the grave" and waiting "until Thy wrath be past" (the 7 Last Plagues) until "Thou shalt call" him out of the grave.)

 

[Timtofly]

The passage deals with the time of judgment which is BEYOND the opportunity to repent or remain stubborn in sin, so why should we expect to read about it?

That is the whole point, that God still chooses to bring Israel back without repentance.

Your claim was, "that is not possible". Then you wanted proof from Scripture.

 

[Phoneman777]

They are still there today. Who put them back?

Were they thrown down from where they rested one upon another when Jesus looked upon them? Yes. Prophecy fulfilled in 70 A.D.

They are all wrong, because this earth is still under the bondage of sin. Until Jesus is King those promises to Israel remain unfulfilled about Daniel's 70th week.

Oh, I thought the 70 Weeks pertained to only "thy people and thy holy city"?

If we stick to the Bible, the 70 Weeks saw the end of Israel's transgression and sin by disqualifying them as God's chosen people - they were no longer in "transgression and sin" for refusing to fulfill the Great Commission because that went to the Gentiles.

 

[Timtofly]

If all the dead saints since Adam went to Abraham's bosom, Abraham is as tall as the U.S. is wide, and his bosom is the size of Texas, right or wrong? Sorry, but the Rich Man and Lazarus is an uninterpreted parable.

(P.S. Job is still hiding "in the grave" and waiting "until Thy wrath be past" (the 7 Last Plagues) until "Thou shalt call" him out of the grave.)

You really discredit the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Jesus claims to be the Resurrection and the Life. It was Jesus telling a literal fact, about Abraham's bosom. It was not a parable. If you keep insisting on going outside of Scripture to human theology, to interpret God's Word, you are going to miss out on what God is actually saying.

It is God who redeems, not the claims of theology, and historicism. And sheol and Abraham's bosom was as large underground as the earth's surface above. But with all that room, people like you, still complain about over population and no way to sustain them all.

Have you seen the latest measurements for the New Jerusalem? There is even more room on earth and in sheol, so God already had it covered there would be plenty of room wherever humans were located. Even Isaiah was confident there was plenty of room: Isaiah 5:14

"Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it."

 

[Timtofly]

Were they thrown down from where they rested one upon another when Jesus looked upon them? Yes. Prophecy fulfilled in 70 A.D.

Only in part. You are missing the actual point. "70AD" is that catch all drawer where all the odds and ends and useless stuff is stored. It is overrated by some poster's eschatology.

Most see that date as, "if we don't have an answer, just slap 70AD on it, and call it good." Who is going to ever read Josephus to prove us wrong?

Even Josephus pointed out that the Romans did not bother to move every stone, but it is your point, to prove otherwise. I have read Josephus. And, no, I am not going to go find a quote to prove your point for you.

So far all you have is the Temple was burned and torn down. That is not even what Jesus claimed. You are avoiding the actual claim of Jesus and the historical account of Josephus.

 

[covenantee]

Are you claiming a personal right?

Only one outside of Christ has to worry about rights.

Stop making stuff up, just to reply to a post I make.

Ethnic Jews tell us that we're all ethnic Jews.

I agree with them.

You call that "making stuff up".

That's anti-Semitic racism against all ethnic Jews.

Stop it.

 

[Phoneman777]

And I disagree, because Jesus' return NEVER WAS IN 70 A.D.

Why are you telling me something I already know?

 

[Truth7t7]

Then you do not Remember the Sabbath.

Correction: I don't follow the sabbath that you define in your opinion, that I believe is wrong

 

[Timtofly]

Ethnic Jews tell us that we're all ethnic Jews.

I agree with them.

You call that "making stuff up".

That's anti-Semitic racism against all ethnic Jews.

Stop it.

Now you are just putting words out there, I never even posted.

You are the one saying God will not be able to figure out who is Israel, and who is not. That is your point, not mine.

 

[Timtofly]

Correction: I don't follow the sabbath that you define in your opinion, that I believe is wrong

You observe the 7th Day. You already posted that.

I define the Sabbath as per Genesis 2. You define the Sabbath as the figurative point per the 4th Commandment.

 

[Phoneman777]

That is the whole point, that God still chooses to bring Israel back without repentance.

Your claim was, "that is not possible". Then you wanted proof from Scripture.

God Himself said He'd only gather did not gather them back because they never repented.

What Scripture are you pointing to as "evidence to the contrary" of what I've said above?

 

[Phoneman777]

You observe the 7th Day. You already posted that.

I define the Sabbath as per Genesis 2. You define the Sabbath as the figurative point per the 4th Commandment.

The 4th commandment tells us resting on Sabbath is how to keep it holy, and that - not human reasoning - is how keeping it holy is defined.

 

[ewq1938]

"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath". - Hebrews 4:9 Lamsa's Peshitta.

That is not what the verse says.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.


Second, A Sabbath remains just not one on a Saturday.

 

[Phoneman777]

It was Jesus telling a literal fact, about Abraham's bosom. It was not a parable.

If the passage is literal, then Abraham's bosom is literal - you can't claim the passage is literal and then make the elements therein symbolic.

Consistency - the mark of sound exegesis and hermeneutics.

 

[Phoneman777]

That is not what the verse says.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.


Second, A Sabbath remains just not one on a Saturday.

That's EXACTLY what it says in the Peshitta. Read if for yourself.
Hebrews 4:9 It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

 

[covenantee]

Now you are just putting words out there, I never even posted.

From your post 2560:

"Stop making stuff up"

That's your post, but you never even posted it.