The Pre-Trib Rapture

[Truth7t7]

Jesuit Futurism is the teaching that arose decades after Protestant Historicism as part of the Papal "counter-Reformation" to the "Protestant Reformation". It says the Antichrist will arise at the beginning of the "last 7 years of tribulation" and sit in a rebuilt "temple of God" in Jerusalem and broker a "7 year peace treaty between the Arabs and Jews" which this "Antichrist" will break 1/2 way through the 7 years, which results in Armageddon, after which Jesus will come in glory and power and Earth-shaking thunder and begin a 1,000 year reign on Earth over the wicked.

Not a single word of this is true.

The Jesuit's Didn't Exist In 202AD, When Futurism Was Taught By The Early Church Father Iranaeus 130-202AD, The Antichrist Is A Future Man, A Literal Temple In Jerusalem, Second Coming After The Tribulation

Iranaeus Saw A Future Literal Human Man As Antichrist, He Saw A Literal Temple In Jerusalem Where He Will Sit, For A Literal 42 Months In Tribulation, And He Will Be Destroyed At The Lord's Second Advent And Final Judgment.

Iranaeus Of Lyon 130-202AD, Against Herseies, Book 5, Chapter 30, PGH 4

4. But he indicates the number of the name now, that when this man comes we may avoid him, being aware who he is: the name, however, is suppressed, because it is not worthy of being proclaimed by the Holy Spirit. For if it had been declared by Him, he (Antichrist) might perhaps continue for a long period. But now as "he was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the abyss, and goes into perdition," as one who has no existence; so neither has his name been declared, for the name of that which does not exist is not proclaimed. But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire;

 

[covenantee]

John was not a Jesuit. If you place the word "Jesuit" in your statement you point out it started in 1560. If you call it dispensationalism only then, no. You don't even know the history you are pushing?

You don't know your father's history? For shame.

In the 19th century, John Nelson Darby contaminated Protestantism with counterfeit apostate Jesuit futurism.

The Jesuit futurism that you espouse.

Congratulations on your heritage of counterfeit apostasy.

 

[The Light]

The catholic church isn't the whore mystery Babylon, and the papacy isn't the beast of Revelation 13

Jerusalem is the whore Mystery Babylon, and the "Future" Antichrist/Beast will be a Jew who is a King/Ruler of Hebrew Decent

As I already knew, you could not produce any scriptural support that the Antichrist is a Jew. None.

And you better get busy, because PHONEMAN777 is making a mockery of your John Nelson Darby yada, yada, yada, regurgitation.

 

[Timtofly]

It ain't difficult to KNOW BEYOND ALL DOUBT the timing when Jesus said He will come and gather His saints. He showed it in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 that His coming to gather His saints is AFTER... the tribulation.

So there is NO EXCUSE for those who preach against the timing He showed. It's time to repent of preaching a false pre-trib rapture, because the time is really, really getting short today for His return.

After the tribulation of the church that has lasted 1992 years.

 

[Timtofly]

Jesuit Futurism is the teaching that arose decades after Protestant Historicism as part of the Papal "counter-Reformation" to the "Protestant Reformation". It says the Antichrist will arise at the beginning of the "last 7 years of tribulation" and sit in a rebuilt "temple of God" in Jerusalem and broker a "7 year peace treaty between the Arabs and Jews" which this "Antichrist" will break 1/2 way through the 7 years, which results in Armageddon, after which Jesus will come in glory and power and Earth-shaking thunder and begin a 1,000 year reign on Earth over the wicked.

Not a single word of this is true.

Jesus is not coming back in glory? There is no 1,000 year reign?

I bet you claim we wake up one day, and every thing has changed?

If you already know this stuff, why claim other people automatically teach or believe it without even asking them?

 

[The Light]

Most are not aware, but probably the majority of the scattered ten lost tribes wound up in the western Christian nations and accepted the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Thus they make up a HUGE PORTION of Christ's Church today!

Absolute malarky. The Word says something totally different.

Romans 11
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Romans 11
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.


Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

No way that the lost tribes make up a huge portion of the Church. Their Jews eyes have been blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles comes in.

 

[Taken]

The Pre-Trib Rapture
OP ^

Yes.
Only applies to the Converted in Christ...check!

Only applies to the Lords descent from heaven to the clouds, to call up to the Lord, Christ’s Church...check!

Has nothing to do with the Return of the Son of Man to Earth...check!

If you are wearing the TAG...Believer, Christian, Catholic, Protestant, Active Sinner, ISRAEL, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, or the endless man-made names such as millennialist, a this, a that, blah, blah, blah... ALL IRRELEVANT.
Not ONE of those TAGS you call yourself, means;
Righteous and or Godly.

God has revealed, He has planned a Series of 21 Great Tribulations, of His Wrath, He shall send down from Heaven upon the whole earth and it’s inhabitants BECAUSE they ARE:
Unrighteous and or Ungodly.

Exceptions of those UPON the Earth...
*A Lamb and 144,000 Tribesmen SEALED with the KINGS SEAL, Sent to Earth, (Mt Zion) by God, for the benefit of ISRAEL to Hear, Accept or Reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
*Temporarily TWO Witnesses, Sent to Earth, (Jerusalem) by God, for the Benefit of JEWS to Hear, Accept or Reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
*Multiple Holy Servant Angels of God, UNLEASHING Gods 21 Series of Tribulations and Wrath upon the Earth’s inhabitants.

^ IF that IS NOT YOU...and you are upon the earth during the “surprise unknown day”, God Begins Sending His Great Tribulations and His Wrath down Upon the inhabitants of the Earth...
You are accounted with the: Unrighteous and or Ungodly to suffer the negative consequences of Gods Great Tribulations and Wrath.

ONLY those with the “TAG” Converted IN Christ are EXCEPTED,
BECAUSE By the Power of God they have ALREADY been MADE:
Righteous and Godly.

And not a SECRET, Scripture reveals the Exact Manner of HOW THEY ARE EXCEPTED from being subject to Gods series of 21 Great and Terrible Tribulations and Wrath.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[The Light]

And not a SECRET, Scripture reveals the Exact Manner of HOW THEY ARE EXCEPTED from being subject to Gods series of 21 Great and Terrible Tribulations and Wrath.

The rapture of the Church will be a secret. And ther tribulation is over before the wrath of God begins. And there are not 21 tribulation and wrath. The trumpets and vial occur during the same time frame. The vials are just a different view of things that happen in Gods wrath, just as the trumpets are.
It's the same football game but two different view of it.

 

[Taken]

The rapture of the Church will be a secret. And ther tribulation is over before the wrath of God begins. And there are not 21 tribulation and wrath. The trumpets and vial occur during the same time frame. The vials are just a different view of things that happen in Gods wrath, just as the trumpets are.
It's the same football game but two different view of it.

Disagree.
The rapture is not a secret.
The Converted rising up will NOT be seen by men on earth, because their body’s are glorified.

Disagree.
7 distinct Seals..............Rev 9:1-17 & 8:1-5
7 distinct Trumps...........Rev 8:6 & 9:21 & 11:15-19
7 distinct Vials/Bowls.....Rev 16:1-21
Total; 21

Each Seal opened, Each Trump blown, Each Vial poured out increases the severity of Gods Judgements.

The WRATH OF...The Lamb of God, The Devil, God Himself...occurs during the Tribulation.

The Lamb of God, The Devil, God Himself ... each have Anger and Wrath for being Rejected.

At the Same Time, During the first 2 series of the Great Tribulation;
The Lamb of God, The Devil, God Himself... each have a WAY for any man to Make Allegiance WITH, The Lamb of God, The Devil, God Himself.

The Last portion of the Great Tribulation is expressly Terrible and expressly upon those left having made their Allegiance WITH, The Devil.

 

[teamventure]

Oh yes it is written in Scripture, you just don't understand it, yet.

Ezekiel 13 is one of the places where God warned the "house of Israel" about those who teach His people 'to fly' to save their souls. God made it obvious in that Ezekiel 13 Chapter that He is against that false doctrine of a pre-trib rapture, and particularly those who preach it...

Ezek 13:17-23
17 Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,

18 And say, 'Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of My people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?

19 And will ye pollute Me among My people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to My people that hear your lies?

20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver My people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver My people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
KJV

I'm not saying those pastors who preach that false Pre-trib Rapture theory will be condemned. I don't have that authority, no man does, but only Jesus Christ. But God's Message above is enough to know those teaching that won't be allowed to approach Jesus when He returns!

And how can we know that Ezekiel 13 is for Christ's Church? Because God gave a reference to the ten tribe "house of Israel" in it, and about making a stand in the "day of the Lord", which is about the LAST DAY of this world (see Ezekiel 13:5). Most are not aware, but probably the majority of the scattered ten lost tribes wound up in the western Christian nations and accepted the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Thus they make up a HUGE PORTION of Christ's Church today!

Read the scripture you posted above and it is obvious you are pulling your own ideas about it. That's very dangerous.
How do you get pre-trib rapture out of hunting souls to make them fly Obviously not the same thing.

 

[Phoneman777]

The Jesuit's Didn't Exist In 202AD, When Futurism Was Taught By The Early Church Father Iranaeus 130-202AD, The Antichrist Is A Future Man, A Literal Temple In Jerusalem, Second Coming After The Tribulation

What Iranaeus taught ain't Futurism aka Jesuit Futurism, as proven below:

Iranaeus Of Lyon 130-202AD, Against Herseies, Book 5, Chapter 30, PGH 4
4. But he indicates the number of the name now, that when this man comes we may avoid him, being aware who he is: the name, however, is suppressed, because it is not worthy of being proclaimed by the Holy Spirit. For if it had been declared by Him, he (Antichrist) might perhaps continue for a long period. But now as "he was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the abyss, and goes into perdition," as one who has no existence; so neither has his name been declared, for the name of that which does not exist is not proclaimed. But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire;

This entire passage of Iranaeus is merely a rewording of already existing, uninterpreted Scripture and no way establishes a pre-16th century existence of Jesuit Futurism, because where's Iranaeus' mention of:

• a 2000+ year "gap" between the 69th and 70th Week???
• the "last seven years of tribulation"???
• a "7 year peace treaty between the Arabs and Jews" brokered by the Antichrist???
• the "breaking this peace treaty 3 1/2 years into it"???
• an Armageddon war breaking out on the heels of this treaty dissolution???

And to absolutely prove beyond the shadow of doubt Futurism did not exist before the 16th century, all ECFs who had anything to say about it - including Iranaeus - taught that the Roman Empire was the "restrainer" of 2 Thessalonians 2 preventing the rise of Antichrist and that it would arise immediately after Rome fell, not over 1,800+ years later.

 

[marks]

That's fine with me. You're clearly insistent on interpreting everything literally, so trying to convince you otherwise is obviously a waste of my time.

There's a straw man if I ever saw one!

Again, if the Bible says something is a symbol, that has Scriptural authority, the Bible says it. If the Bible does not say something is a symbol, and you do, your statement lacks Scriptural authority. And likewise for the meaning of a symbol.

Personally, I don't see why this would be difficult to understand or accept.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Do you think Paul would agree with how you handle scripture, which seems to be the same way someone would handle reading a news article (all straightforward literal text with no spiritual discernment needed to interpret it)?

When I read what Paul said about what our approach to interpreting scripture should be, it doesn't look at all like what you're saying.

1 Corinthians 2:9 However, as it is written: “What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived” the things God has prepared for those who love him—10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

The spiritual understanding of the Scripture will never - in my opinion - contradict the words it says, the sayings God makes. The Bible says what it says, the unspiritual do not understand. When you do understand, you find it never said anything different.

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

What Iranaeus taught ain't Futurism aka Jesuit Futurism, as proven below:
This entire passage of Iranaeus is merely a rewording of already existing, uninterpreted Scripture and no way establishes a pre-16th century existence of Jesuit Futurism, because where's Iranaeus' mention of:

• a 2000+ year "gap" between the 69th and 70th Week???
• the "last seven years of tribulation"???
• a "7 year peace treaty between the Arabs and Jews" brokered by the Antichrist???
• the "breaking this peace treaty 3 1/2 years into it"???
• an Armageddon war breaking out on the heels of this treaty dissolution???

And to absolutely prove beyond the shadow of doubt Futurism did not exist before the 16th century, all ECFs who had anything to say about it - including Iranaeus - taught that the Roman Empire was the "restrainer" of 2 Thessalonians 2 preventing the rise of Antichrist and that it would arise immediately after Rome fell, not over 1,800+ years later.

Irannaeus saw a future antichist, temple in Jerusalem where the Antichristt willl sit, and a second coming, iranaeus life ended in 202Ad

John was the Apostle that experienced the vision in 96AD, polycarp was a disciple of John, Iranaeus was a disciple of polycrp

Enough said!

Jesus is the Lord!

 

[Truth7t7]

As I already knew, you could not produce any scriptural support that the Antichrist is a Jew. None.

And you better get busy, because PHONEMAN777 is making a mockery of your John Nelson Darby yada, yada, yada, regurgitation.

Your outside the realm of biblical eschatology

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

 

[Truth7t7]

What Iranaeus taught ain't Futurism aka Jesuit Futurism, as proven below:
This entire passage of Iranaeus is merely a rewording of already existing, uninterpreted Scripture and no way establishes a pre-16th century existence of Jesuit Futurism, because where's Iranaeus' mention of:

• a 2000+ year "gap" between the 69th and 70th Week???
• the "last seven years of tribulation"???
• a "7 year peace treaty between the Arabs and Jews" brokered by the Antichrist???
• the "breaking this peace treaty 3 1/2 years into it"???
• an Armageddon war breaking out on the heels of this treaty dissolution???

And to absolutely prove beyond the shadow of doubt Futurism did not exist before the 16th century, all ECFs who had anything to say about it - including Iranaeus - taught that the Roman Empire was the "restrainer" of 2 Thessalonians 2 preventing the rise of Antichrist and that it would arise immediately after Rome fell, not over 1,800+ years later.

You follow the "Cult" in Ellen G.Whites 7th Day Adventism, your exposed, toooo much to mention "A non- biblical cult!

You have clearly been shown the early church father in Iranaeus Saw A Future Literal Human Man As Antichrist, He Saw A Literal Temple In Jerusalem Where He Will Sit, For A Literal 42 Months In Tribulation, And He Will Be Destroyed At The Lord's Second Advent And Final Judgment.

 

[Truth7t7]

There's a straw man if I ever saw one!

Again, if the Bible says something is a symbol, that has Scriptural authority, the Bible says it. If the Bible does not say something is a symbol, and you do, your statement lacks Scriptural authority. And likewise for the meaning of a symbol.

Personally, I don't see why this would be difficult to understand or accept.

Much love!

Your statement is biased In favor of your false teaching , you don't want to validate truth, you maintain "Your" Narrative in deceit

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesuit Futurism is the teaching that arose decades after Protestant Historicism as part of the Papal "counter-Reformation" to the "Protestant Reformation". It says the Antichrist will arise at the beginning of the "last 7 years of tribulation" and sit in a rebuilt "temple of God" in Jerusalem and broker a "7 year peace treaty between the Arabs and Jews" which this "Antichrist" will break 1/2 way through the 7 years, which results in Armageddon, after which Jesus will come in glory and power and Earth-shaking thunder and begin a 1,000 year reign on Earth over the wicked.

Not a single word of this is true.

Your founder Ellen G. White is a non,prophetess, 2,000d+ dreams and visions given by God, a fairy tale, laughable!

 

[Phoneman777]

Irannaeus saw a future antichist, temple in Jerusalem where the Antichristt willl sit, and a second coming, iranaeus life ended in 202Ad

John was the Apostle that experienced the vision in 96AD, polycarp was a disciple of John, Iranaeus was a disciple of polycrp

Enough said!

Jesus is the Lord!

Of course, Iranaeus saw a future Antichrist because Antichrist, like the Second Coming of Jesus, was still future!

What Iranaeus did not see and did not include were the specifics of Jesuit Futurism - unknown before the 16th century - which I listed above and which you failed to address, like that ridiculous 2,000+ year "gap" between the 69th and 70th Week. Where's that in Against Heresies? Your claim is Jesuit Futurism goes back to the beginning - where's the support??????

 

[Phoneman777]

You follow the "Cult" in Ellen G.Whites 7th Day Adventism, your exposed, toooo much to mention "A non- biblical cult!

You have clearly been shown the early church father in Iranaeus Saw A Future Literal Human Man As Antichrist, He Saw A Literal Temple In Jerusalem Where He Will Sit, For A Literal 42 Months In Tribulation, And He Will Be Destroyed At The Lord's Second Advent And Final Judgment.

You follow your papal death cult in Rome and teach well Jesuit Futurism, which I've shown you does NOT predate the 16th century.
I know your Jesuit handlers, like all cult leaders, have standing orders for their Jesuit faithful to not read anything critical of Jesuit doctrine, but free your bound mind and read why "The Early Church Fathers Were Historicist" by England's greatest prophecy teacher, H. Grattan Guinness:
Early Church Fathers Were Historicist – H. Grattan Guinness