The Pre-Trib Rapture

[n2thelight]

The "Day Of The Lord" you mention in Zechariah 14:1, is the same "Day Of The Lord" seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when the Lord "Dissolves" the heavens and earth by his fire in judgement (The End)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

The earth will not be destroyed ,it will be made pure ,it will return to it's original form, why do you think nature itself moans for His return?

II Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

The "elements" are not the elements that you think of, such as gold, iron, oxygen and so on, but they are the "evil rudiments" that go to make up the evil in this earth age. This includes the evil spirits, the fallen angels, and all the things and forms of idolatry that cause flesh man to sin. \

Romans 8:20
"For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of Him Who hath subjected the same in hope,"

"Creature" stated here is the same as in verse nineteen, it means "the creation, or original formation", to be more exact. The "original creation" was made "profitless", or "disrupted" out of its original tranquility, because God made it that way, so that each soul could enter this earth flesh age in innocence, being subjected to the same testing, to chose the hope of their salvation, or reject it. Friend, the choice of the direction and condition of your soul is up to you.

God didn't make a mistake in forming this earth, He made it perfect and it will return to that form shortly. It was the fall of Satan, and the third of the all souls that followed Satan, that cause the destruction of the earth that ended that first earth age.

Romans 8:21 "Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God."

Because the "original creation" [creature] itself, or earth will be placed back in that original condition that it once was in the first earth age, where by every part of the earth will be like a paradise. There will be no flesh in that Millennium age, simply because no flesh can exist in that age, and we will all be in our incorruptible bodies. Think of how beautiful this new age will be.

Romans 8:22 "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now."

It is translated correctly here. The whole creation is crying out with the birth pains for a new earth age. This will be the third world age, spoken of in II Peter 3. These labor pains are getting closer and closer, as we see one after another prophetic event after another come to pass. The new age is not far away. Though this new age will come upon us instantly, upon the arrival of Jesus Christ's return to earth, it should not be a complete surprise to the elect of God, those that have the seal of God in their hearts and minds. Jesus told us exactly how it would be prior to his coming in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21.

Then Jesus took John in a vision to "the day of the Lord", the exact day of Jesus return at the second advent, and told John to write down what he saw in that vision. We call John's writing, "the Book of Revelation". Yet with all that instruction, the modern church world still chases after man's traditions, and chooses to turn a blind eye to the events that a true watchman of God must be aware of, or he will be deceived by Satan in his role of Antichrist.

 

[Timtofly]

At the 7th and last Trump ,Christ leaves Heaven with all of His Saints ,and comes to this earth.

Not as written in Revelation. You quoted many verses, but none from Revelation. Paul does not even say 7th Trumpet. You may have an 8th and last trumpet not mentioned in Revelation as John's theme is presented as 7's.

Perhaps you are on to something unnoticed?

I have pointed out that the 7th Trumpet last the whole 42 months as the sound of the 7th Trumpet is split by the 42 months. But you did not say by the time the 7th Trumpet stops. You certainly do not imply the Second Coming is at the start of the 7th Trumpet before the 42 months start. So how are you placing this 7th Trumpet in Revelation itself?

My point is Christ the Prince touches down on the Mt. Of Olives at the 6th Seal. That is when 2 Peter 3 and the all consuming fire of God's wrath is on man's works. The archangel even sounds the Trump of God. Certainly not part of John's 7 soundings. Gabriel announces the start of the final harvest. Then at the end Gabriel sounds the same Trump as the 7th and final sounding. Still 8 in total. John did not give us all the details, nor did Jesus, nor did Paul. Now you may claim Gabriel is not the Archangel mentioned. Gabriel is the one who told Daniel about the 70 weeks. Gabriel is the one to announce the Messiah. Why not Gabriel to announce the Prince come to rule from Jerusalem?

All the Scriptures, even the ones you quoted from the OT, do need to line up with all the points Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John did make. You do have to put those 42 months in or don't. But if there are no 42 months, then Christ does not return at Armageddon. Christ is already on the earth for all 6 Trumpets and the 7 Thunders before the 7th Trumpet brings the final harvest to a celebratory conclusion. Matthew 25 has Christ sitting on a throne in Jerusalem. That is after the Second Coming, not before, as that would physically be impossible for Christ to be in Jerusalem before a Second Coming. The Second Coming is what brings Christ to Jerusalem. Matthew 25 is not the beginning of the Millennium. It is the final harvest, known as the GT. The Millennium cannot start until Christ the Prince brings an end to the 70 weeks. The 7th Trumpet is supposed to be the end. Yet in the middle of the 7th Trumpet, we are told Satan may get 42 months. The end of the 7th Trumpet is put on hold until those 42 months happen, or as I mentioned, the 7th Trumpet never stops, but keeps sounding. Obviously it will annoy Satan and his followers during that 42 months of utter desolation.

The last Trumpet was more than likely already used at the birth of Christ. So not sure why it cannot be used more than once?

 

[n2thelight]

Not as written in Revelation. You quoted many verses, but none from Revelation. Paul does not even say 7th Trumpet. You may have an 8th and last trumpet not mentioned in Revelation as John's theme is presented as 7's.

Perhaps you are on to something unnoticed?

I have pointed out that the 7th Trumpet last the whole 42 months as the sound of the 7th Trumpet is split by the 42 months. But you did not say by the time the 7th Trumpet stops. You certainly do not imply the Second Coming is at the start of the 7th Trumpet before the 42 months start. So how are you placing this 7th Trumpet in Revelation itself?

My point is Christ the Prince touches down on the Mt. Of Olives at the 6th Seal. That is when 2 Peter 3 and the all consuming fire of God's wrath is on man's works. The archangel even sounds the Trump of God. Certainly not part of John's 7 soundings. Gabriel announces the start of the final harvest. Then at the end Gabriel sounds the same Trump as the 7th and final sounding. Still 8 in total. John did not give us all the details, nor did Jesus, nor did Paul. Now you may claim Gabriel is not the Archangel mentioned. Gabriel is the one who told Daniel about the 70 weeks. Gabriel is the one to announce the Messiah. Why not Gabriel to announce the Prince come to rule from Jerusalem?

All the Scriptures, even the ones you quoted from the OT, do need to line up with all the points Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John did make. You do have to put those 42 months in or don't. But if there are no 42 months, then Christ does not return at Armageddon. Christ is already on the earth for all 6 Trumpets and the 7 Thunders before the 7th Trumpet brings the final harvest to a celebratory conclusion. Matthew 25 has Christ sitting on a throne in Jerusalem. That is after the Second Coming, not before, as that would physically be impossible for Christ to be in Jerusalem before a Second Coming. The Second Coming is what brings Christ to Jerusalem. Matthew 25 is not the beginning of the Millennium. It is the final harvest, known as the GT. The Millennium cannot start until Christ the Prince brings an end to the 70 weeks. The 7th Trumpet is supposed to be the end. Yet in the middle of the 7th Trumpet, we are told Satan may get 42 months. The end of the 7th Trumpet is put on hold until those 42 months happen, or as I mentioned, the 7th Trumpet never stops, but keeps sounding. Obviously it will annoy Satan and his followers during that 42 months of utter desolation.

The last Trumpet was more than likely already used at the birth of Christ. So not sure why it cannot be used more than once?

The last trump is the 7th
satan comes first at 666
Christ returns at 777

That simple

 

[Enoch111]

The last trump is the 7th

There is absolutely no connection of "the last trump" which is also "the trump of God" summoning the saints to Heaven, and the 7th trumpet, which announces the seven last plagues -- the vials of the wrath of God. How anyone can connect the two is beyond belief.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

The last trump is the 7th
satan comes first at 666
Christ returns at 777

The LAST TRUMP Paul spoke of is referring to the Feast of Trumps 100th Trump which ends the Harvest every year in Israel. It has nothing to do with the Revelation Judgments, by the time those were given to John, Paul was dead.

So, every year to start a New Year, via Israel's calendar, that had to happened on he Feast of Trumps, but it went by the Lunar Moon Cycle, so the New Year always would/could show up over a two day period of time, so the Israelites sent out "two witnesses" to spy out the New Moon, as soon as they spotted it they reported back to the Israeli leaders/Pharisees/High Priests etc. and thus the 100 Trumps started sounding, they blew 9 sets of 11 Trumps, then on the "LAST TRUMP" it blew LONGER & LOUDER than the other 99 Trumps, and that LAST TRUMP officially ended the Summer Harvest.

People who try to say the Last Trump is a Revelation Judgment Trump just has no clue whatsoever as per unto what is really going on sadly. If we do not know what is going on we probably should just stay quite on something. The 7 Feasts were Holy Convocations (Dress Rehearsals) where God showed the Israelites BEFOREHAND things they didn't even understand, now looking back, we can see all of those things IF........we just be still, and let God teach us. All of the 7 Feasts were Dress Rehearsals, meaning things that God would eventually bring to pass in real life along the way via the sands of histories hour glass.

The Spring Feasts that Jesus Fulfilled

1. Passover (Jesus' blood is our Passover he died at exactly 9:00 AM the time of Sacrifice)
2.) Unleavened Bread (Jesus knew no sin, he was Unleavened unlike us)
3.) First-fruits (Jesus was the first-fruits of the grave as Paul stated)

The Summer Harvest was/is ALL ALONE on the calendar unto itself

4.) Feast of Weeks/The Harvest/Pentecost ( Jesus brought back the gift of the Holy Spirit from Heaven to give unto his Bride after he had delivered the sacrificial offering unto the Father in Heaven, that is a Jewish custom, we are now Harvesting souls for Jesus and the Father in what Paul called the time of the Gentiles (Church Age Period). Well, what always ended the Jewish Harvest every year? Yes, of course, the LAST TRUMP, as shown above, so after the Letters to the Seven Churches (7 meaning the Complete Church Age Period), the very next verse in Rev. 4:1 shows Jesus calling John up to Heaven and his voice SOUNDING as a Trumpet !! Thus when Jesus calls the Church home at the LAST TRUMP that ends the Church Age, it has NOTHING to do with the Revelation Trumpet Judgments.

The soon to come (IMHO) Fall Feasts

5.) Feast of Trumps (Jesus will sound the Trumpet that ENDS the current Summer Harvest of souls by the mostly Gentile Church, we will go to be with Lord in Heaven to marry the Lamb, both Jews and Gentiles who are in the Church. God has already married Israel. So, all of those Jews like Daniel who were in God BEFORE Christ Jesus was eve born via FAITH in the Promised Deliverer (Yeshua), will stand in their lot at the VERY END as Dan. 12:1-2 shows us, when Jesus and the Church returns to save the 144,000 (3-5 million Jews in the Petra/Bozrah safe zone). Once this Last Trump begins the New Era begins where (Jews are back on the clock), the 70th week Judgment MUST bring Atonement by the Jews whom will be a part of the Kingdom Age. And what just so happens to be the next Feast? The Feast of Atonement SMALL WONDERS !! )

6.) Feast of Atonement (Israel MUST and WILL Atone just before the Day of the Lord as Zechariah 13:8-9 shows us, because the very next verse shows us that the DOTL has arrived and Israel gets Conquered. So, the Jews REPENT BEFORE the coming DOTL, just as Malachi 4:5 also says.)

7.) Feast of Tabernacles ( to Tabernacle means to DWELL with God, thus with Jesus being God, when he sets up his Kingdom in Jerusalem/Israel for 1000 years that fulfills the last of the 7 Feasts and thus Israel will TABERNACLE or Dwell with God/Jesus.)

8 means New Beginning, that will happen when we get a New Heaven and New Earth and Death has passed away, after the Wicked are all Judged and placed in Hell Death will be no more.

666 Just means the LAST BEAST is a MAN (as in 6 is mans number) not a Kingdom like the other six Beasts over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region were.

How are people supposed to understand prophecy when they can't grasp what the Last Trump means? Paul used the Feasts time after time to teach us things, we miss what he was saying, Paul as a Jew understood these things. We should study much harder then we do tbh. Then when we learn, we should not have too much pride to correct our views, after all we represent Christ Jesus who had to rebuke his own disciples time after time for wrong think. Its OK to be wrong, its not OK to cling to wrong positions, that was the Pharisees problem, Jesus could have taught them just like he did the UNLEARNED Disciples, except they "KNEW IT ALL ALREADY" thus he couldn't reach them. He almost reached Nicodemus, but he was too worried about what his peers thought it seems in the end, because I am sure if he had eventually followed Christ the Gospels would have told us that, but who knows, hopefully he did follow Christ.

 

[David H.]

The LAST TRUMP Paul spoke of is referring to the Feast of Trumps 100th Trump which ends the Harvest every year in Israel. It has nothing to do with the Revelation Judgments, by the time those were given to John, Paul was dead.

Technically this is wrong, the last trumpet is the Jubilee trumpet sounded on Yom Kippur to mark the Jubilee year. Christ comes in the clouds on a jubilee year, just like he did during his first advent, John the Baptist being the "trumpet" that sounded his coming 6 months prior to his ministry.

 

[Truther]

The trib saints from the last 1992 years. Also all the OT saints from Abraham's bosom. They are all up in the four corners of Paradise.

The great tribulation is a 7 year period of time.

 

[marks]

Do you need the verse to literally say..>"body of Christ"? or "Bride of Christ"

If not : 1 Peter 2:9

I need to know the truth, that's what I need.

Much love!

 

[Taken]

@marks

The Truth is Jesus. :)

 

[Taken]

The Pre-Trib Rapture
OP ^

Nothing new under the sun.
What was shall be.

* First great tribulation ... 8 Saved Souls risen up above the face of the earth.
* Last great tribulation ... ? Saved Souls shall be risen up above the face of the earth.

If ya ain’t Saved Now, better get to getting...

 

[marks]

So when we look at what Jesus is saying to the ‘sheep’ in Matt 25, we must, I believe, understand him to be telling them they had no fruit in their lives.

You mean the goats, right?

This is what I find in disagreements over interpretations.

You understand there is something more behind these words, that declaring them righteous for their works is a demonstration of an existing faith, a saved state, so the works demonstrate their saving faith in Christ, and a new creation, and they are just like us.

I understand the words to mean exactly what they say, that Jesus declares righteouse those who had not been declared righteous because they did the right things.

There will come a verse where one of us says, we should understand it exactly as it reads, and the other says, no, we have to understand other passages prevent us from doing that.

Much love!

 

[marks]

@marks

The Truth is Jesus. :)

Give me Jesus!!

:)

 

[marks]

What makes us think the tree/body will be removed in ‘phase 1’…so to speak…but then ‘phase 2’ will then go ahead but with different parameters.

The differences arise the same way as the question of the sheep/goats. The more I hold to the direct meaning of a passage, in any particular case, the more at odds I'll be with those who feel such isn't warranted. While I think Jesus is declaring them righteous because they did the right thing, someone else will say it's something different than that, because they take a more, I'm having a hard time thinking of a good word to use here, because they are more willing to allow other meanings than what is stated. And I don't say we never should. But we draw different lines.

For myself, when I come to a set of passages which seem at odds with each other, I just keep looking to see if there is an answer that makes sense to me that allows each to just say what it says. And again we come to, where do we draw the line?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Here’s how I see it:
The NT teaches that there is a single tree. Made up of believers…both Jew and Gentile. It’s called the ‘church’, the ‘body of Christ’ and even referred to as the recipient of Abraham’s promises (offspring, heirs of promise).
Dispensationalists seem to believe that there is biblical evidence for a Rapture of this church (which means the ‘tree/body’ essentially looses it’s branches/members), but then there will be a time when people can still ‘come to Christ’. Both Jews and Gentiles. But they claim that during this time, even though folks are still saved by coming to Christ, the ‘tree/body’ metaphor no longer works. Jews and Gentiles will no longer be grafted onto that tree…they will be separate. Or, if we do stick with the tree/body metaphor, the tree/body must be separate from one another. Jews one side, Gentiles the other, but both still growing out of Christ.

The Law ended, so you could no longer have your sins atoned. But you could come to God through Christ by faith. And after Jesus comes, as He rules the earth with an iron rod, will people be asked to receive Him by faith? Faith is the evidence of things not seen.

Will there be something different happening then?

That is dispensationalism.

How it all works with the tree of Scripture is a separate matter.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Perhaps we might get somewhere if I ask you HOW you actually view these passages…especially in light of the OT texts you are presenting.

Romans 9:6-8
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

Jews who don't believe are not counted among Israel, only believing Jews are Israel. Just the same, there is the "seed of Israel", the nation itself, to whom God made promises that will not be broken, including to prophecy the time of Jacob's trouble, but you will be saved out of it.

Deuteronomy 4:26-31 KJV
26) I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
27) And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.
28) And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
29) But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
30) When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
31) (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

The Redeemer shall come to Jacob . . .

And all Israel shall be saved, that is, 2/3 will be destroyed, but 1/3 shall survive, and when they see Him, they shall mourn for Him.

The Jews said, Our father is Abraham, Paul says, that's not enough. Abraham had two sons, you must be the son of promise. And Isaac had 2 sons, you must be the son of Jacob.

Romans 9:26-33 KJV
26) And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27) Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
28) For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
29) And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
30) What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31) But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32) Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33) As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

And not just the son of Jacob, but having sought righteousness by faith.

This identifies the Isreal of God, believing Jews. Paul continues here to contrast gentiles and Israel.

Not all Israel is saved, but all Israel shall be saved when Jesus returns. Those who survive.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Galatians 3:16
Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.

In Christ, all the promises are yes and amen! I don't think that's what you are looking for , but I need a more specific question.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The LAST TRUMP Paul spoke of is referring to the Feast of Trumps 100th Trump which ends the Harvest every year in Israel. It has nothing to do with the Revelation Judgments, by the time those were given to John, Paul was dead.

I've seen over the years so many different ways to look as this "last trump". It sounds like it's the "final trumpet of a series", like the 7 plagues unleashed in the Revelation, or the trumpets to gather the people to begin moving, or go to battle, or when Jericho fell. There is the Feast of Trumpets, when at last a final trumpet sounded.

As Paul says, "the last trump", this is a certain thing. The only real clue I see towards identifying exactly what we can say definitively about this trumpet, beside it being "the last", is in

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 KJV
51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The Last Trump, the Trump of God,

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

This is a trumpet of resurrection. When this trumpet sounds, the dead are raised.

On the lines of this discussion, here, the first question that comes to my mind is this. Does this resurrection everybody who has died trusting in God? Both OT and NT? All who have died "saved" up until the coming of Christ in glory?

Interesting to me, Jesus, teaching Israel, said,

John 5:26-29 KJV
26) For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27) And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There is a similar resurrection passage,

Daniel 12:2-3 KJV
2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3) And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Daniel 12:8-13 KJV
8) And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9) And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10) Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11) And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12) Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13) But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Go your way, Daniel! This is sealed. . . . there shall be 1290 days . . . blessed is he that waits, and come to 1335 days.

Go your way, rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days. That would be on the 1335th day, when Daniel would end his rest, to stand in his inheritance, at the end of the days.

This then is when the OT faithful are raised from the dead.

For the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice.

John 6:39-40 KJV
39) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So now it gets into what do you think these days are? The 1290 days, and the 1335 days. The last day of this period is when the angel told Daniel he'd be raised. And Jesus refers to the last day, and His voice calling them from the grave.

Rereading your post, I think you've said all this, better.

Much love!

 

[ewq1938]

The last trump is the 7th
satan comes first at 666
Christ returns at 777

That simple

It's nonsense. Jesus doesn't come at the 7th seal because he comes at the 7th trump which means he is here before the 7th vial pours.

The 666 for satan is equally as wrong.

 

[ewq1938]

There is absolutely no connection of "the last trump" which is also "the trump of God" summoning the saints to Heaven, and the 7th trumpet, which announces the seven last plagues -- the vials of the wrath of God. How anyone can connect the two is beyond belief.

Anyone who can count knows the last of 7 trumps is the last trump.

Which one is the last vial?

 

[No Pre-TB]

Anyone who can count knows the last of 7 trumps is the last trump.

Which one is the last vial?

Paul didn’t mention the vials. So with the same logic, there is no last vial :)
That’s what they want you to believe