CharismaticLady
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Yes. I hadn't read it, but now that I have I think what I just posted #340, might answer it. Once you've studied it, is there anything I didn't address?
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The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !
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Yes. I hadn't read it, but now that I have I think what I just posted #340, might answer it. Once you've studied it, is there anything I didn't address?
I disagree with you there; on the basis that all scripture is inspired of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine (2 Timothy 3:16); because there is scripture that tells us that Jesus does indeed cover our sins (in Romans 4:7-8).
CharismaticLady
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No, my friend. Jesus does more than covers. "Covers" means the sins are still there, merely covered. This was what was happening in the Old Testament sacrifices where the blood of bulls and goats covered the sins for only a year as in Romans 4:7-8, a quote from the Psalms, until the next Day of Atonement, as well as daily sacrifices. The reason why the blood of Jesus is better is because instead of merely covering sins that remain, Jesus TAKES AWAY COMPLETELY our sin, it is completely gone.
Hebrews 10:
For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
1 John 3:5:
5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
The scriptures here were inspired and is for your instruction. Learn about these Scriptures. BTW, I'm not saying 1 John 1 is not scripture, but it is what it means that is important for our instruction. The truth is, once Jesus takes away our sin, we are no longer sinners. God then calls us "children of God." 1 John 3:1-3
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"As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us."
Psalm 103:12
"For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more."
Hebrews 18:12
If they are simply "covered" then they were not taken away forever through Christ...?
CharismaticLady
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You do know that when we confess our sin and He cleanses us from all unrighteousness it is because to make us completely clean, He creates another nature in us. This is called being born again. This new nature separates us from the old nature called "the flesh." Now we have two natures, but as long as we walk in the Spirit we are dead to that old nature. Romans 8:9.
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I'll comment on this from #330.
Remember, He gave Himself for us [The elect] in order that He would deliver us from this present evil world according to Gods will Gal 1:4-5
4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
To their shame, many today do not believe that Christ Intercession is effective, in that they believe, many for whom Christ gave himself for, and is now presently interceding for, will yet perish in their sins .how frightening.
What they fail to realize, is that Christ Intercession ensures for every sinner He died for, a Divine Intervention in their lives delivering them from sin and converting them unto God..
Jesus has already delivered us who follow Him, His elect, from this present evil world. To know you are an "elect" there is evidence. We have been delivered from the urges to sin from our old nature, and been born again to partake of the divine nature of God who dwells inside of us.
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
I'll comment on this from #330.
Remember, He gave Himself for us [The elect] in order that He would deliver us from this present evil world according to Gods will Gal 1:4-5
4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
To their shame, many today do not believe that Christ Intercession is effective, in that they believe, many for whom Christ gave himself for, and is now presently interceding for, will yet perish in their sins .how frightening.
What they fail to realize, is that Christ Intercession ensures for every sinner He died for, a Divine Intervention in their lives delivering them from sin and converting them unto God..
Jesus has already delivered us who follow Him, His elect, from this present evil world. To know you are an "elect" there is evidence. We have been delivered from the urges to sin from our old nature, and been born again to partake of the divine nature of God who dwells inside of us.
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
@CharismaticLady, I would like you to elaborate on how 1 John 1:8 does not apply to believers in a more concise manner, so that we can all see clearly how it does not apply to believers.
I am almost there...I see it in holy scripture that we can indeed be without sin...
However I think that 1 John 1:8 tells us that if we were to ever come to that place in our walk, we would not be aware of the fact that we are without sin (Job 9:21, John 9:41, Isaiah 42:19 (kjv), Philippians 3:12-15) and that because of this we would never say that we have no sin (1 John 1:8).
I am almost there...I see it in holy scripture that we can indeed be without sin...
However I think that 1 John 1:8 tells us that if we were to ever come to that place in our walk, we would not be aware of the fact that we are without sin (Job 9:21, John 9:41, Isaiah 42:19 (kjv), Philippians 3:12-15) and that because of this we would never say that we have no sin (1 John 1:8).
CharismaticLady
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I think I already shared my testimony with you of the night I went from no control over my sin, to no more desire to sin. It was so dramatic, that I could not deny it. I was completely aware that the desire was gone. That is when I was born again. Freedom from sin is freedom from the desire to sin. Jesus took that desire away from me by creating a new nature and separating it in me from my old nature. We are not in the flesh but in the Spirit when the Spirit of God indwells us. Romans 8:9. We just need to stay in the Spirit, and obey Paul's command to not quench the Spirit. Ever since 1977 I've been conscious of His presence in me.
1 John 1:7 is a Christian. They walk in the Light, or Spirit, because they have already been born again. The key to being born again is REPENT Acts 2:38, which is the same as verse 1 John 1:9. It only needs to happen once to be reborn. It is not a vicious cycle of sin, repent, sin, repent. You may get the gist by reading in the Good News For Modern Man.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and there is no truth in us. 9 (But) if we confess our sins to God, he will keep his promise and do what is right: he will forgive us our sins and purify us from all our wrongdoing.
It is a before and after.
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CharismaticLady
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Your desire was gone because the element of sin was rendered dead inside of you.
You can indeed be aware of such a thing; but to be aware of sin being eradicated would be a violation of 1 John 1:8 impaho.
CharismaticLady
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1 John 1 has the writing style of contrasts. That is why verse 8 and 10, thought almost saying the same thing, is separated by verse 9, even though verse 9 would also apply to verse 10.
I'm sure you've seen this before. I've posted it so many times I can't see how you could have missed it. You can easily see that 6, 8 and 10 are darkness - no light in them. They are only SAYING they are without sin, but have never been born again.
Verses:
5 - LIGHT
6 - darkness
7 - LIGHT
8 - darkness
9 - LIGHT
10 - darkness
So, if 1 John 1:8 is referring to darkness, is it not saying that those who say that they have no sin are walking in darkness?
I believe that this is talking about when the Holy Spirit pinpoints sin in your life and you deny that what He is calling sin, is sin.
If He is not pinpointing sin in your life, you may indeed be without sin; but you wouldn't know that you are without sin (Job 9:21, John 9:41, Isaiah 42:19, Philippians 3:12-15) because you would consider that sin is merely rendered dead within you and that this is the reason why you have no desire to sin. If you crossed the line and said that the reason why you don't have the desire to sin is because sin has been eradicated from your flesh, your saying that would mean that you are deceiving yourself and the truth is not in you. And this is the darkness that 1 John 1:8 is speaking of.
Because we can resist the Holy Spirit by denying that we have sinned when He is pinpointing the sin in our lives.
1 john 1:8, as the rest of the chapter is not about the Christian, but about them apostles, them who have seen with their eyes, which have looked upon, and their hands have handled, concerning the Word of life ~ Jesus Christ.
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CharismaticLady
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No, because if the Holy Spirit is pointing out sin in your life, then you DO have truth in you - the Spirit of Truth. But this person has not confessed their sin and been filled with the Holy Spirit.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and there is no truth in us.
Also, don't forget what was happening in the Church regarding the infiltration of Gnostics 1 John 4:1-4. They are the antichrists of chapter 2. They would sin on purpose and say they had no sin. It looks like John was quoting them specifically.
Friend, think on this and we'll continue tomorrow. Good night.
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CharismaticLady
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No, you missed a key part.
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life— 2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.
The rest is to John's congregation that is a mixture of saved and unsaved.
CharismaticLady
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Yes, John there was declaring to those to whom he writes, what they (that is, they who are apostles of Christ, who have seen, heard, looked, touched), that is that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to them apostles. And he does so that they (them to whom he writes to) may have fellowship with them, who have true fellowship with the Father and the Son.
John in v.5-10 writes to show to them to whom he writes, how they are truly in fellowship with the Father and the Son and that the truth is in them. For it seems to be that to them to whom John writes, they still had not fellowship with them, for John said in verse 3 as is an intention for his writing, “that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ”.
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