The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

[Renniks]

King Jesus defines faith with His saying of "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29), but you Renniks are against Christ because you claim that faith is a work of man.

I wholeheartedly am in accord with Jesus because every time the English versions of the Bible say "your faith" in the New Testament, the phrase has a definite article in it according to the Greek, so it should be rendered "the faith of you", and this is like the phrase "the God of you"; in other words, faith and God are controlling the person, not the person controlling God nor faith, but truly a person being controlled by God by faith!

The Truth (John 14:6) is that Lord Jesus Christ died exclusively to save all the people who believe in Jesus whom the father has sent (John 6:29, John 10:27).

You misuse one line of one verse that you don't understand to redefine faith as God believing in himself for you.
Jesus didn't tell the woman that His faith is what made her whole, but that her faith did. He was amazed at a woman's faith...impossible if he irresistibly made her believe.

 

[Renniks]

If faith is a gift, then it is not forced against the natural man. Faith is gifted to the spiritual man, not the old man of the flesh. God does not twist the arm of just anyone, but God uses GOADS. Christ did tell Paul this, which implies Paul had been resisting the truth and hurting himself, that God was goading Paul. A GOAD implies being compelled or forced into a certain direction.

Paul could have resisted and remained lost just like anyone can.

 

[Scott Downey]

God does not force people to believe

And he is not a respecter of persons. He does not allow some to believe and prevent others.

He draws all men to himself. But not all men will receive, He chose a nation. But they kept defiling themselves. And God kept taking the clay and remolding it, he is still doing that today, and one day that nation will be what God intended.

It is the work of Christ we believe, not because he believed for us, But because he did the work which caused us to come to a point and make a decision. To say Yes God I trust you. or no God I will continue to trust my self.

You claim a child of the flesh can not come. That is not true, if that was true no one could be saved, because we are all in the flesh, in fact Christ died while we were in the flesh.

What we have to do is do as the children of Israel did when moses lifted the serpent. Walk through the snakes on our own trusting ourselves. Or trust God and look up to the serpent which was raised.

Jesus shows this in John 3, as he said as moses lifted the serpent so must he be lifted up that WHOEVER believes will never die but has eternal life.

it is offered to all.

People today do not believe what the scripture says, it is plain to see that. They don't view scriptures as authoritative for faith and practice.
It makes me think of after God delivered the people the promised land, they continually fell away, people even chose to make themselves priests.
Nothing new under the sun, pagan Danites a tribe in old Israel.
Judges 18
16 Now the 600 men of the Danites, armed with their weapons of war, stood by the entrance of the gate. 17 And the five men who had gone to scout out the land went up and entered and took the carved image, the ephod, the household gods, and the metal image, while the priest stood by the entrance of the gate with the 600 men armed with weapons of war. 18 And when these went into Micah's house and took the carved image, the ephod, the household gods, and the metal image, the priest said to them, “What are you doing?” 19 And they said to him, “Keep quiet; put your hand on your mouth and come with us and be to us a father and a priest. Is it better for you to be priest to the house of one man, or to be priest to a tribe and clan in Israel?” 20 And the priest's heart was glad. He took the ephod and the household gods and the carved image and went along with the people.

 

[Renniks]

People today do not believe what the scripture says, it is plain to see that. They don't view scriptures as authoritative for faith and practice.

You realize in your theology if people don't believe the scripture it's because God doesn't allow them to, right?

 

[Kermos]

God does not force a person to have faith.

God gives us the ability to have faith. Through the word. Through his creation (romans1) and through other people.

But he does not force people to have faith. Nor does he refuse the ability of other people to even be able to have faith.

Lord Jesus defines faith with "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29), so faith in Jesus is the work of God, not man, but truly God.

@Scott Downey provided Truth to you in post #2959.

The Truth (John 14:6) is that Lord Jesus Christ died exclusively to save all the people who believe in Jesus whom the father has sent (John 6:29, John 10:27).

 

[Kermos]

You misuse one line of one verse that you don't understand to redefine faith as God believing in himself for you.
Jesus didn't tell the woman that His faith is what made her whole, but that her faith did. He was amazed at a woman's faith...impossible if he irresistibly made her believe.

Neither Jesus nor I convey that "God believing in himself for you" as you just testified.

God causes a person to believe in God for the Word of God says "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29), so faith in Jesus is the work of God, not man, but truly God.

You have a terrible practice of subtracting the Word of God in you heart (Matthew 15:18-19), and there awaits punishment for persons who denies the Word of God (Matthew 10:33).

 

[Kermos]

God does not force people to believe

And he is not a respecter of persons. He does not allow some to believe and prevent others.

He draws all men to himself. But not all men will receive, He chose a nation. But they kept defiling themselves. And God kept taking the clay and remolding it, he is still doing that today, and one day that nation will be what God intended.

It is the work of Christ we believe, not because he believed for us, But because he did the work which caused us to come to a point and make a decision. To say Yes God I trust you. or no God I will continue to trust my self.

You claim a child of the flesh can not come. That is not true, if that was true no one could be saved, because we are all in the flesh, in fact Christ died while we were in the flesh.

What we have to do is do as the children of Israel did when moses lifted the serpent. Walk through the snakes on our own trusting ourselves. Or trust God and look up to the serpent which was raised.

Jesus shows this in John 3, as he said as moses lifted the serpent so must he be lifted up that WHOEVER believes will never die but has eternal life.

it is offered to all.

You wrote "He draws all men to himself" (which appears to be a reference to John 12:32) and "it is offered to all", but there are no verses that say Jesus died for the sins of everyone everywhere without exception.

For example, let's look at tbe results of you trying to apply such a concept with "He draws all men to himself" in John 12:32 which exposes how your logic implodes, your illegal linguistics, and your thoughts are against Christ:

1. The Apostle John attributed the "if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself" (John 12:32) statement of Jesus specifically to "He was saying this to indicate the kind of death by which He was to die" (John 12:33).
   
2. Jesus attributed NOT the John 12:32 statement to salvation.
   
3. The John 12:32 statement aligns with “As surely as I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow before Me; every tongue will confess to God" (Romans 14:11) because with certainty every believer and unbeliever will bow the knee to Christ one day; therefore, here is the drawing in the John 12:32 statement; moreover, every believer receives eternal life (John 3:16), and every unbeliever disobedient person while living has the wrath of God abiding on such a disobedient one (John 3:36).
   
4. The words "all men" (πάντας pantas, every, conjugate of pas Strong's 3956) in John 12:32 is plural, rather than singular such as the words "every one" (πᾶς pas, every, pas Strong's 3956) in John 3:16 (please see post #2869 for a complete explanation of "every one believing" in John 3:16); therefore, pantas in John 12:32 accurately translates as "every people", "every peoples", and "all men" because pantas is plural. Because of this, Jesus says He will draw persons from every people group, like nation, per John 12:32 (Praise God, @Scott Downey pointed out "all peoples" in post #2882).
   
5. Jesus can say one thing with multiple meanings.
   
6. there is no indication for a supposed ability for man to choose Jesus for salvation respecting the recorded Word in John 12:32.
   
7. Christ draws all to himself by way of the Word of God, the Holy Spirit, the Power of God.
   
8. In effect, you persist in asserting that God's will is soooo weak that God fails to save some people from the wrath of God for whom Jesus died.
   
   Somewhere, there is a lady who rejected Jesus Christ, and she died while she rejected Jesus Christ.
   
   The gospel, the Jesus, that you confess failed to save her even though your Jesus died for her sins. The atonement sacrifice of your Jesus Christ was insufficient for her to enter his Joy, so she who died suffers the wrath of God because your he who died is miserably weak. (Galatians 1:6-7)
   
   Truly, the gospel of Jesus Christ includes that He succeeds in saving every single one of the people for whom he died from the wrath of God (John 10:28). Jesus Christ is Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6), and there is none like God (Isaiah 46:9).

Boy, Eternally Grateful, your humanistic assertion that man can choose Jesus is ungodly, unscriptural and a denial of the Word of God because Christ says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) as well as "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19, includes salvation).

Lord Jesus Christ died exclusively to save all the people who believe in Jesus whom the father has sent (John 6:29, John 10:27).

 

[Kermos]

I am still a work in progress, and one thing I have learned is how nicely the scriptures all make sense once you actually believe what they are saying, versus the doctrines of a man and the various inaccurate teachings many have perpetuated in churches, which do not agree with scripture.
I really do enjoy thinking about these things.
To know the truth of how and why things are as they are, you must take into account the whole counsel of God in scripture, and not force the scripture out of context to a private view.
Paul did a very good job of presenting to the churches the whole counsel of God.

Acts 20:26-28
New King James Version
26 Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men.
27 For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God.
28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

The other thing is God is saving His people, but we dont all yet have the same measure of faith, the same amount of understanding, some things God knows we can not yet bear. Maybe some opponents, God will grant repentance to know the truth of scripture, and no longer be in opposition.

such as.
John 16:12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now,

2 Timothy 2:24-26
New King James Version
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

Romans 12
3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us

1 John 5:19-21
New King James Version
19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

I like your post, except for the NKJV version of "the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one." (1 John 5:19, italics in original NKJV to indicate words not in the original Greek).

According to Greek, 1 John 5:19 is "the whole world lies in the evil one" (please see biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/5-19.htm).

Please note that in the immediately prior verse, John writes of the born of God Christian "the evil one does not touch him" (1 John 5:18).

John contrasts believers in 1 John 5:18 versus unbelievers in 1 John 5:19.

"Lies in" is like an unborn baby in the womb - that is, the baby lies in the mother, so the baby is surrounded by and touching mommy.

The NKJV translateors changed the meaning of 1 John 5:19 by adding "under the sway of", so the next couple of paragraphs show the results without the NKJV translator added text.

The "evil one" encompasses touching "the whole world" (1 John 5:19).

The mother encompasses touching the baby.

John conveys that the wicked one does not touch the born of God (1 John 5:18), but all unbelievers abide inside touching the wicked one (1 John 5:19).

Changing topics.

God brought something to my attention, in 1 John 5:20 that you quoted in your final paragraph.

Recently, I was proclaiming Jesus, Lord and God (John 20:28), to people who disavow that Jesus is God.

John wrote "we are in Him the true, in the Son, Jesus Christ, He is the true God and eternal life" (1 John 5:20).

Elsewhere, John testified to Jesus' divinity, but here is one that I do not recall.

The Truth is immutable, as you know, Lord Jesus Christ died exclusively to save all the people who believe in Jesus whom the father has sent (John 6:29, John 10:27).

 

[Kermos]

No I laughed at your absurd statement.

The topic is salvation that Lord Jesus has me proclaiming to you, so you "rolled on the floor laughing" about salvation.

The Word of God says there is no level that a person can choose Lord Jesus because He says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) as well as "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19, includes salvation) - Jesus, being God, did not provide any exception for choosing toward Jesus. Lord Jesus speaks to all believers in all time because He also said "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20)! All these words of Jesus are at the same supper! All glory is God's! With man, salvation is impossible (Matthew 19:25-26)! All glory in the salvation of man is God's (John 15:5, Isaiah 42:8, Psalm 3:8)!

Lord Jesus Christ died exclusively to save all the persons whom Christ chose

 

[Kermos]

God does not force people to believe

And he is not a respecter of persons. He does not allow some to believe and prevent others.

He draws all men to himself. But not all men will receive, He chose a nation. But they kept defiling themselves. And God kept taking the clay and remolding it, he is still doing that today, and one day that nation will be what God intended.

It is the work of Christ we believe, not because he believed for us, But because he did the work which caused us to come to a point and make a decision. To say Yes God I trust you. or no God I will continue to trust my self.

You claim a child of the flesh can not come. That is not true, if that was true no one could be saved, because we are all in the flesh, in fact Christ died while we were in the flesh.

What we have to do is do as the children of Israel did when moses lifted the serpent. Walk through the snakes on our own trusting ourselves. Or trust God and look up to the serpent which was raised.

Jesus shows this in John 3, as he said as moses lifted the serpent so must he be lifted up that WHOEVER believes will never die but has eternal life.

it is offered to all.

You wrote "WHOEVER believes", but a person CANNOT believe unless God does a work in a person causing a person to believe in Jesus because the Word of God says "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29), so faith in Jesus is the work of God, not man, but truly God.

 

[Kermos]

God does not force people to believe

And he is not a respecter of persons. He does not allow some to believe and prevent others.

He draws all men to himself. But not all men will receive, He chose a nation. But they kept defiling themselves. And God kept taking the clay and remolding it, he is still doing that today, and one day that nation will be what God intended.

It is the work of Christ we believe, not because he believed for us, But because he did the work which caused us to come to a point and make a decision. To say Yes God I trust you. or no God I will continue to trust my self.

You claim a child of the flesh can not come. That is not true, if that was true no one could be saved, because we are all in the flesh, in fact Christ died while we were in the flesh.

What we have to do is do as the children of Israel did when moses lifted the serpent. Walk through the snakes on our own trusting ourselves. Or trust God and look up to the serpent which was raised.

Jesus shows this in John 3, as he said as moses lifted the serpent so must he be lifted up that WHOEVER believes will never die but has eternal life.

it is offered to all.

You wrote "he did the work which caused us to come to a point and make a decision" which is the OPPOSITE of the Word of God because the Word of God says there is no level that a person can choose Lord Jesus because He says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) as well as "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19, includes salvation) - Jesus, being God, did not provide any exception for choosing toward Jesus. Lord Jesus speaks to all believers in all time because He also said "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20)! All these words of Jesus are at the same supper! All glory is God's! With man, salvation is impossible (Matthew 19:25-26)! All glory in the salvation of man is God's (John 15:5, Isaiah 42:8, Psalm 3:8)!

You have a terrible practice of subtracting the Word of God in you heart (Matthew 15:18-19), and there awaits punishment for persons who denies the Word of God (Matthew 10:33).

 

[Kermos]

You realize in your theology if people don't believe the scripture it's because God doesn't allow them to, right?

Look at you, Renniks, you convey “Why does He still find fault?" (Romans 9:19), but more on this after the next paragraph.

As @Scott Downey pointed out scripturally in post #2963, "They don't view scriptures as authoritative for faith and practice.".

You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory
(Romans 9:19-23)

Paul just got through declaring God's Sovereign control of man with "He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires" (Romans 9:18).

Immediately after writing that God is in control Paul continued with "You will say to me then, 'Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?'” (Romans 9:19)

Romans 9:18 segues right into Romans 9:19-23.

Bringing these together:

Paul conveyed "God is in control" (Romans 9:18) then the "you" defiantly mocks God's control with "You realize in your theology if people don't believe the scripture it's because God doesn't allow them to, right?" like in Romans 9:19, because your words align so well with the actual Romans 9:19 content).

The "you" in Romans 9:19-20 is the person who rejects God by way of rejecting God's exclusive control of man's salvation; in other words, the "you" is the person that claims man has a free will.

Do not forget that it is written that no purpose of God's can be thwarted (Job 42:2), so scripture reveals that man cannot resist God's will, and Paul knows scripture.

Notice the "you" questioning why God still finds fault. Paul conveys that the "you" asks the fault question in a mocking manner, and the subsequent question about God's will continues with the "you" mocking the One True God who is entirely in control of man's salvation according to Paul (Ephesians 2:8-10 for example).

The "you" mocking is certain because immediately after the question about God's will, Paul wrote:

On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? (Romans 9:20)

See the "On the contrary" which is indicative that the following statement of Paul refutes the mocking questions of the "you" about fault and about God's will (in Romans 9:19).

Paul continues immediately after "On the contrary" in Romans 9:20 showing that the thing molded cannot resist the will of the Molder.

The thing molded represents the "you".

The Molder represents God.

IN TRUTH, PAUL CONVEYS THAT MAN CANNOT RESIST GOD'S WILL (ROMANS 9:19-20)!

The Truth (John 14:6) is that Lord Jesus Christ died exclusively to save all the vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory.

 

[Scott Downey]

I like your post, except for the NKJV version of "the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one." (1 John 5:19, italics in original NKJV to indicate words not in the original Greek).

According to Greek, 1 John 5:19 is "the whole world lies in the evil one" (please see biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/5-19.htm).

Please note that in the immediately prior verse, John writes of the born of God Christian "the evil one does not touch him" (1 John 5:18).

John contrasts believers in 1 John 5:18 versus unbelievers in 1 John 5:19.

"Lies in" is like an unborn baby in the womb - that is, the baby lies in the mother, so the baby is surrounded by and touching mommy.

The NKJV translateors changed the meaning of 1 John 5:19 by adding "under the sway of", so the next couple of paragraphs show the results without the NKJV translator added text.

The "evil one" encompasses touching "the whole world" (1 John 5:19).

The mother encompasses touching the baby.

John conveys that the wicked one does not touch the born of God (1 John 5:18), but all unbelievers abide inside touching the wicked one (1 John 5:19).

Changing topics.

God brought something to my attention, in 1 John 5:20 that you quoted in your final paragraph.

Recently, I was proclaiming Jesus, Lord and God (John 20:28), to people who disavow that Jesus is God.

John wrote "we are in Him the true, in the Son, Jesus Christ, He is the true God and eternal life" (1 John 5:20).

Elsewhere, John testified to Jesus' divinity, but here is one that I do not recall.

The Truth is immutable, as you know, Lord Jesus Christ died exclusively to save all the people who believe in Jesus whom the father has sent (John 6:29, John 10:27).

Of course, lieth in, lies in, is used in most other versions. Regarding the NKJV, the concepts are not lost on me, version to version, the message is pretty consistent.
AMP
We know [for a fact] that we are of God, and the whole world [around us] lies in the power of the evil one [opposing God and His precepts].

AMPC
We know [positively] that we are of God, and the whole world [around us] is under the power of the evil one.

That is is taught in other scriptures. The unsaved do not worship God and Christ and do not know God, and He does not know them either. Everyone has a father. For the unbelievers, that father is the devil, like John 8 teaches. If your not a child of God, then you must by nature be a child of the devil. Children tend to follow after their fathers. And Ephesians 2 says the same about the children of wrath. There is not an in between state. There is no unaligned condition, your either for Christ or you are against Him. I have talked with bunches of 'christians' who think everyone saved-unsaved is a child of God.

Ephesians 2 makes it clear the unsaved are blinded in their minds by the devil and they walk according to the devil.

And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

John 8:41-47
New King James Version
41 You do the deeds of your father.”

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

1 John 5 is all about being in Him, assurance of salvation for believers, S0 many scriptures continue with that same message. Why is that? Because the present evil age in which we find ourselves is depressing, sad and drags on us, tries to hinder our walk with Christ is antagonistic to Christ and God, there is nothing redeemable or nice about this world. The lie of the world is demonstrated to me in all the terrible things that happen. So many times I am reminded I am not of the world, and the world is not my home.

 

[Renniks]

You have a terrible practice of subtracting the Word of God in you heart (

You judge my interpretation of the Word on what authority?

 

[Renniks]

The topic is salvation that Lord Jesus has me proclaiming to you, so you "rolled on the floor laughing" about salvation.

Twisting my words again. It's very predictable.

 

[Renniks]

Lord Jesus Christ died exclusively to save all the persons whom Christ chose

Not according to my Bible.

 

[Renniks]

Look at you, Renniks, you convey “Why does He still find fault?" (Romans 9:19), but more on this after the next paragraph.

As @Scott Downey pointed out scripturally in post #2963, "They don't view scriptures as authoritative for faith and practice.".

You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory
(Romans 9:19-23)

Paul just got through declaring God's Sovereign control of man with "He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires" (Romans 9:18).

Immediately after writing that God is in control Paul continued with "You will say to me then, 'Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?'” (Romans 9:19)

Romans 9:18 segues right into Romans 9:19-23.

Bringing these together:

Paul conveyed "God is in control" (Romans 9:18) then the "you" defiantly mocks God's control with "You realize in your theology if people don't believe the scripture it's because God doesn't allow them to, right?" like in Romans 9:19, because your words align so well with the actual Romans 9:19 content).

The "you" in Romans 9:19-20 is the person who rejects God by way of rejecting God's exclusive control of man's salvation; in other words, the "you" is the person that claims man has a free will.

Do not forget that it is written that no purpose of God's can be thwarted (Job 42:2), so scripture reveals that man cannot resist God's will, and Paul knows scripture.

Notice the "you" questioning why God still finds fault. Paul conveys that the "you" asks the fault question in a mocking manner, and the subsequent question about God's will continues with the "you" mocking the One True God who is entirely in control of man's salvation according to Paul (Ephesians 2:8-10 for example).

The "you" mocking is certain because immediately after the question about God's will, Paul wrote:

On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? (Romans 9:20)

See the "On the contrary" which is indicative that the following statement of Paul refutes the mocking questions of the "you" about fault and about God's will (in Romans 9:19).

Paul continues immediately after "On the contrary" in Romans 9:20 showing that the thing molded cannot resist the will of the Molder.

The thing molded represents the "you".

The Molder represents God.

IN TRUTH, PAUL CONVEYS THAT MAN CANNOT RESIST GOD'S WILL (ROMANS 9:19-20)!

The Truth (John 14:6) is that Lord Jesus Christ died exclusively to save all the vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory.

You really don't understand Romans 9. At all.

 

[Renniks]

You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?”

The answer is everyone. Everyone resists God's will. And that's shown in the passage you are quoting. Was it God's will for the objector to talk back to God? No. You have it exactly backwards. The objector was wrong about God not allowing free will.
Quit talking back to God and agree with Paul that God has the right to allow anyone access to salvation. Which is what a whole lot of Romans is about.

To understand Paul’s argument in Romans 9, it is important to understand who he is writing against. Who is Paul’s hypothetical objector in Romans 9, and what is this objector driving at?

Paul’s hypothetical objector throughout the Romans is a hypothetical, non-believing Jewish person.

If we can agree on that I can explain the rest. If not you will continue to misuse and misunderstand Romans 9.

 

[Kermos]

Of course, lieth in, lies in, is used in most other versions. Regarding the NKJV, the concepts are not lost on me, version to version, the message is pretty consistent.
AMP
We know [for a fact] that we are of God, and the whole world [around us] lies in the power of the evil one [opposing God and His precepts].

AMPC
We know [positively] that we are of God, and the whole world [around us] is under the power of the evil one.

That is is taught in other scriptures. The unsaved do not worship God and Christ and do not know God, and He does not know them either. Everyone has a father. For the unbelievers, that father is the devil, like John 8 teaches. If your not a child of God, then you must by nature be a child of the devil. Children tend to follow after their fathers. And Ephesians 2 says the same about the children of wrath. There is not an in between state. There is no unaligned condition, your either for Christ or you are against Him. I have talked with bunches of 'christians' who think everyone saved-unsaved is a child of God.

Ephesians 2 makes it clear the unsaved are blinded in their minds by the devil and they walk according to the devil.

And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

John 8:41-47
New King James Version
41 You do the deeds of your father.”

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

1 John 5 is all about being in Him, assurance of salvation for believers, S0 many scriptures continue with that same message. Why is that? Because the present evil age in which we find ourselves is depressing, sad and drags on us, tries to hinder our walk with Christ is antagonistic to Christ and God, there is nothing redeemable or nice about this world. The lie of the world is demonstrated to me in all the terrible things that happen. So many times I am reminded I am not of the world, and the world is not my home.

Another blessed read!!!

I'm sorry that I insulted you about 1 John 5:18-19!

In this thread, repeatedly, some professing Christians explicitly state that they are a part of "the whole world" in "the whole world lies in the evil one" (1 John 5:19).

The word "sway" was used to justify such an unchristian thought.

I desired to make certain that the Greek aligned translation is clear on this page of the thread because the NKJV mentioned "sway".

And, as you know, the Word of God saves (Romans 1:16).

I have posted about 250 times on this thread.

Now, in agreement with you, please be encouraged by the following.

"I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours" (Jesus Christ, John 17:9).

"these things I speak in the world so that they may have My joy made full in themselves" (Jesus Christ, John 17:13).

"I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world" (Jesus Christ, John 17:14).

"I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one" (Jesus Christ, John 17:15).

"I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them" (Jesus Christ, John 17:26).

 

[Kermos]

You judge my interpretation of the Word on what authority?

Lord Jesus says to me "judge with righteous judgment” (Matthew 7:24).