The Mystery Revealed

[Taken]

Be careful?? Those in Christ who listen to Him in HIS WORD don't need to be careful with rebuke. We need to be BOLD, and pray their wayward minds will come back to God's Word instead of their listening to doctrines of men!

The topic of discussion I've been having with @Taken is about the TIMING of the Church's gathering to Christ Jesus, not the mount of transfiguration event that happened even before Jesus had been crucified! I haven't been arguing against the "caught up" event of 1 Thess.4, but against the timing of it being before the great tribulation. The pre-trib rapture school instead believes the gathering of the Church is before... the tribulation, but Jesus showed His coming to gather the Church is AFTER... the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27). So disprove those Scriptures if you can.

Are you another one of those young Bible students that is brainwashed on men's doctrine of a pre-trib rapture, and goes into The Bible looking for Scripture that may 'sound' like it supports such a false theory?? That's essentially what you just did with trying to use that mount of transfiguration example against what I've been declaring FROM Scripture.

You argue against the TIMING, without consideration of WHO is being lifted UP, WHEN, WHY and WHO is being left to experience PART of the Tribulation, WHEN and WHY, and whO is being left to experience the WHOLE of the Tribulation, WHEN and WHY.

THE CHURCH, is UNIQUE and EXCLUSIVE to ALL OTHER people. <--- THEY are NOT subject to Wrath;
Of the Lamb
OR
Of God.

THEY have already been MADE "WHOLE" IN CHRIST.

THEY have TAKEN PART in the MYYSTERY Jesus OFFERED....TO BECOME Spiritually DEAD, their soul saved, their spirit quickened.

NOTHING can BE QUICKENED, less it FIRST DIE. A man Crucified with Christ, satisfied becoming DEAD.

The "Wrath of the Lamb," IS AGAINST THOSE WHO DID NOT Choose to Become Spiritually DEAD IN CHRIST.

THEY ARE ISRAEL, faithful to God, and having REJECTED Gods Christ Messiah. THUS THEY are SUBJECT TO; the Wrath of the Lamb.

THEY become TAUGHT of Christ Jesus...
NOT BY GENtILES For the LAST 2,000 years.
NOT BY GENTILES Today.
NOT BY GentiLES DURING the TRIBULATION.
NOT BY YOU DURING the TRIBULATION.

THEY BECOME TAUGHT DURING the TRIBULATION "BY" THOSE whO ARE ISRAEL, (Hebrews and Tribes of Israel), THAT God has already APPOINTED for those days....AS well AS Gods holy angelic Servant...NOT YOU!

THEIR OPTION of becoming DEAD IN CHRIST will have passed. THEY SHALL Believe IN Christ JESUS, (by the teaching of their Hebrew and Tribe of Israel teachers (Not you) and SHALL suffer A PHYSICAL DEATH, at the HAND of the Anti-Christ. Together THEIR saved souls and spirits shall RISE UP "TO HEAVEN"....NOT THE CLOUDS.

Nearing the END of the Tribulation God Gathers THEIR BODIES from the four corners of the Earth.

Before the Tribulation THE CHURCH "IN CHRIST" has Already BEEN Gathered TO THE CLOUDS, BY Christ!

God Gathers His SAINTS; ISRAEL
Christ Gathers His CHURCH; The Gentiles.

God Gathering HIS SAINTS, was told men Before IN THe OT.

Jesus Revealed a MYSTERY, NOT BEFORE KNOWN...that MEN / Men (and as we have oberserved / Particularly Gentiles ) IN Christ, would become Christ the Lord Jesus' CHURCH, and NOT SUBJECT to the Wrath of the Lamb, or the Wrath of God.

The Lambs Wrath is His Anger for men NOT believing IN HIM.
Gods Wrath is His Anger for men NOT believing in HIM.

THe Great Tribulation is the TIME God set FOR the Lamb and Gods ANGER to be revealed and the RESULT of their ANGER to be UPON UNBELIEVING MEN..."LEFT" ON EARTH.

You say you shall BE LEFT on Earth....but yet you provide NO SCRIPTURE of ANYONE LEFT ON EARTH, WHO.....IS IN CHRIST....

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I do... follow ALL... of God's Holy Writ.

Davy quote: "I do...follow ALL....of God's Holy Writ".

That explains A LOT, of why people are regularly in disagreement with you.

Everything in the Holy Writ, does not APPLY to Every Individual.
You would have to BE:
Hebrew, Jew, AND Gentile....
Saved, AND Unsaved...
Dead in Christ, AND Alive in your sins...
The Old man, AND the New Creature...

And on and on.

Division is following ONE or following the OTHER.

Jesus came to CAUSE Division.
Yet you claim to follow ALL.



Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Davy]

No. The antichrist seeks those ON EARTH. I shall not BE ON EARTH...
YOU WILL.



Not in the verses you referenced.

Glory to God,
Taken

Christ's disciples asked Him "Where, Lord?" at the end of Luke 17 after He had said one would be taken and the other left.

Luke 17:36-37
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


His answer:

37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV


The Matthew 24 version of His answer:

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV


Eagles don't usually go after a dead carcase. It's about fowls like vultures, feeding on the dead. He used a metaphor to answer His disciple's question of where the first one taken would be taken to.

 

[Davy]

You argue against the TIMING, without consideration of WHO is being lifted UP, WHEN, WHY and WHO is being left to experience PART of the Tribulation, WHEN and WHY, and whO is being left to experience the WHOLE of the Tribulation, WHEN and WHY.

You left the Scripture right off the bat. You are in confusion and cannot even read the simple Scripture as it is written. There is no... such idea of the Church being taken while others are left behind. The ones taken in Luke 17 are by Christ's enemies.

And because you keep applying men's thoughts and ideas to what you're wrongly taught about Christ's coming and gathering of the Church, you fit well what Apostle Paul said about those in darkness that are deceived...

1 Thess 5:7
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
KJV

 

[Davy]

Davy quote: "I do...follow ALL....of God's Holy Writ".

That explains A LOT, of why people are regularly in disagreement with you.

Everything in the Holy Writ, does not APPLY to Every Individual.
You would have to BE:
Hebrew, Jew, AND Gentile....
Saved, AND Unsaved...
Dead in Christ, AND Alive in your sins...
The Old man, AND the New Creature...

And on and on.

Division is following ONE or following the OTHER.

Jesus came to CAUSE Division.
Yet you claim to follow ALL.

Glory to God,
Taken

Listen Up!

Apostle Paul speaking:

1 Cor 10:9-12
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
KJV


You are making up a LIE when say why people are often in disagreement with me. In reality, the majority of brethren I come into contact with regularly agree... with me, because I'm QUOTING THE ACTUAL SCRIPTURE, and not throwing out men's doctrines like you're doing. Though you might not agree, but most people can READ the simple Scripture for themselves, and that's how they know I'm representing God's Truth, and NOT my own words and ideas.

Above, Apostle Paul was speaking of events in the Old Testament times of how some men fell out of God's grace because of tempting Him, and thus they were destroyed by the destroyer. When Paul says those events are "ensamples" for us, that means those things were written down FOR US to learn from!

But what those spin-doctors falsely teach that you listen to, is to disregard those events because they say those events don't apply to Christ's Church, essentially going directly 180 opposite of Apostle Paul's Message there in 1 Cor.10 to the Church. And what's worse about those liars you listen to, is that they will even take plain and clearly written Scripture, and try to turn it 180 degrees out also. I speak of their denying that Christ's Olivet discourse is for His Church.

John Darby, et al are the ones who came up with the false ideas you're following, wrongly treating Christ's disciples as separate from His Church. Any believer on Jesus Christ ought to immediately... figure out those men saying that are deceivers, for Apostle Paul taught that Christ's Apostles, and even the OT prophets, are part of the FOUNDATION of Christ's Church!!!

2 Peter 3:1-2
3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
KJV

 

[Taken]

Christ's disciples asked Him "Where, Lord?" at the end of Luke 17 after He had said one would be taken and the other left.

Luke 17:36-37
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


His answer:

37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV


The Matthew 24 version of His answer:

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV


Eagles don't usually go after a dead carcase. It's about fowls like vultures, feeding on the dead. He used a metaphor to answer His disciple's question of where the first one taken would be taken to.

Luke 17
[36] Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

One WITH the Lord God;
One WITHOUT the Lord God.


[37] And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

WITH the Lord, wherever the body of the Lord is;
Eagles (the Church) shall gather.

Kings gathered to see the Lord at His birth.
Men gathered to see the Lord on the cross.
Men gathered to see the Lord when He arose.
Saints graves opened to see the risen Lord.
Men gathered to see the Lord ascend to the clouds.
Men shall gather to see the Lord in the air.
Men shall gather to see the Lord coming to Earth.
Men shall gather to see the Lord in His Kingdom.
Men shall gather to see the Lord on Judgement Day.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

You left the Scripture right off the bat. You are in confusion and cannot even read the simple Scripture as it is written. There is no... such idea of the Church being taken while others are left behind. The ones taken in Luke 17 are by Christ's enemies.

Apparently you are UNAWARE, THEE ONLY ones PREPARED to be LIFTED UP off the face of the EARTH, BEFORE the "GREAT" Tribulation of God;

ARE SPECIFICALLY:
"THE CONVERTED IN CHRIST".

They are ALREADY "FORGIVEN"!
...By the Grace of God
They are ALREADY "DEAD"!
...crucified with Chirst
They are ALREADY "SOUL" SAVED!
...restored by the POWER of God
They are ALREADY "QUICKENED"!
...by the SEED of God
They ALREADY HAVE a "NEW HEART"!
...circumcised by the POWER of God
The ALREADY HAVE "the INDWELLING HS of God!
...And are NO LONGER "OF" this world.

All men WHO reject
God AND OR Christ; REMAIN ON THE EARTH...AND SUFFER portions of the TRIBULATION...
UNTIL they BELIEVE, Become Forgiven,
Their Soul Saved, Their Spirit Quickened, Their Heart circumcised, They receive the Spirit of God....AND THEY BECOME BODILY KILLED!

OR...THEY REMAIN REJECTING:
God AND OR Christ, and are Killed and DIE "IN" SIN!

Jesus CAME To DIVIDE...
The GREAT Tribulation of God, IS mankinds last days to DECIDE "IF" they will CHOOSE GOD and CHRIST or
Reject GOD and CHRIST...
AND THEN:
SEPARATION, OF those divided unto thee Lord God, and those divided NOT unto thee Lord God.

You appear completely oblivious, of the ENTIRE THEME of Scripture IS About the Fallen state of mankind, AND HOW mankind can become reconciled, made Whole, and acceptable to God, FOR GOD to CLAIM such men UNTO HIMSELF.

You TOOT your own horn, of BEING MADE WHOLE....BUT THEN completely DENY...The Lord has set a TIME BEFORE His Wrath, Anger, Destruction 'UPON" the Earth; to SEPARATE and CLAIM WHAT God HAS ALREADY MADE WHOLLY Acceptable to Him.

And that there are MULTITUDES of MEN, who BELIEVE IN GOD....BUT NOT CHRIST, WHO must suffer portions of the GREAT TRIBULATION of God, FOR having KNOWN of Christ Jesus, and REJECTING Him.

BELIEF is NOT EITHER OR...
One must BELIEVE IN BOTH;
God and Christ Jesus to NOT BE Subject to the WRATH of Gods GREAT Tribulation.

You INSIST you shall BE ON EARTH...
DURING Gods GREAT TRIBULATION:
Dandy for you, you will then BE COUNTED among the others LEFT BEHIND, "NOT" faithful TO God AND Christ Jesus.

And IFY...God WILL BE CONCENTRATING ON THE Tribes of Israel...Sending THEM witnesses and teachers..144,002 to be exact, FOR THEM to profess Belief IN Christ Jesus, and they become saved, quickened....and BODLILY KILLED.

And to the REST Left BEHIND...1 Angel to preach the Gospel throughout the World.

Rev 14 [6] And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

There IS NO MENTION of Converted Gentiles IN Christ, PREACHING the Word of God During the Great Tribulation of God...
AS YOU SUGGEST YOU will be DOING!

And because you keep applying men's thoughts and ideas to what you're wrongly taught about Christ's coming and gathering of the Church, you fit well what Apostle Paul said about those in darkness that are deceived...

LOL...

Doesn't matter if you are Quoted Applicable Scripture, Given an elementary example, or you quote Scripture.... you do not show you divide the Word of Truth, or even know what that means...

As you say..."YOU FOLLOW ALL of Scripture."

Well mister gentile...A great deal of Scripture APPLIES EXCLUSIVELY to:
1) Hebrews
2) Tribes of Israel
3) Judah
4) Women
5) Men who Worship Idols
6) Men who REJECT God
7) Men who REJECT Chirst Jesus
8) Men who Believed and Fell Away
9) Men who Believed and Submitted
10) Men who WILL Believe and Submit.

And your teaching and preaching REFLECTS, YOU FOLLOW after, and APPLY Scriptures "to yourself"....AND attempt to APPLY TO OTHERS;
that HAVE NOTHING to do with a man Converted IN Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Listen Up!

Good grief. I own several Bibles, YOU QUOTING Scripture which you do not comprehend it application, is OLD and BORING.

And don't get all in a pickle.
It is not Scripture that is OLD and BORING....to be sure It is your misapplication of Scripture.

You are making up a LIE when say why people are often in disagreement with me.

LOL. I disagree with you.

In reality, the majority of brethren I come into contact with regularly agree... with me, because I'm QUOTING THE ACTUAL SCRIPTURE,

So? I never said PEOPLE ARE DISAGREEING WITH SCRIPTURE.

You simply TRY to APPLY your pick of Scripture THAT DOES NOT APPLY to the context of a discussion.

and not throwing out men's doctrines like you're doing.

I have ZERO issue with Jesus' Doctrine that men have Adopted as their Own Doctrine.

You on the other hand, Can be quoted Jesus' Doctrine, and PICK IT APART, instead of Trusting to BELIEVE EVERY WORD He UTTERED IS TRUTH AS HE SPOKE IT. And THEN wiggle around the TRUTH with your EXCUSES.

Though you might not agree, but most people can READ the simple Scripture for themselves, and that's how they know I'm representing God's Truth, and NOT my own words and ideas.

Sure lots of people CAN READ THE SCRIPTURE...apparently YOU CAN NOT Comprehend....I have NO ISSUE with the Scriptures....
My DISAGREEMENT WITH YOU, IS YOUR LACK of exhibiting compentance IN DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH, and properly APPLYING the Appropriate Scripture to a conversation.

Above, Apostle Paul was speaking of events in the Old Testament times of how some men fell out of God's grace because of tempting Him,

and thus they were destroyed by the destroyer. When Paul says those events are "ensamples" for us, that means those things were written down FOR US to learn from!

Really? Then WHY DO YOU TEMPT the Lord, when you Claim He is the TRUTH, and When He reveals SECRETS, YOU preach He SPEAKS things that ARE NOT TRUE?

But what those spin-doctors falsely teach that you listen to,

Are YOU COMPLETELY and UTTERLY IGNORANT?

How many TIMES must you INSIST, I am LISTENING TO SOMEONE TEACH me ABOUT Christ's Church?

Get a Q-TIP... Christ Jesus IS MY TEACHER. IF you DO NOT LIKE or AGREE WITH His TEACHING....
LISTEN UP.... I DON"T CARE...

And In the meantime, stop spinning YOUR LIES!

is to disregard those events

Again, and again, and again...
I am not subject to YOUR ... IF / THEN scenarios.
I am subject to that WHICH APPLIES TO ME.
I am not the one TEACHING to CHALLENGE Christ's Teachings or say His Doctrine is NOT ABSOLUTE TRUTH...
YOU are the ONE who Dances around Jesus' Doctrines with EXCUSES to NOT believe EVERY WORD HE SPOKE IS TRUE as He SPOKE IT.
YOU are the ONE who DENIED Jesus is ALL KNOWING.

because they say those events don't apply to Christ's Church,

TEMPTING the Lord is not an EVENT!
It's an Action. And noone has said Tempting the Lord is acceptable.

And what's worse about those liars you listen to,

No, actually what is worse is YOU calling everyone a LIAR who does not agree with you.
And YOU making up LIES, telling OTHER people WHAT THEY DO.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

those liars... even take plain and clearly written Scripture, and try to turn it 180 degrees out also. I speak of their denying that Christ's Olivet discourse is for His Church.

YOU are the ONE Preaching Jesus' Olivet Discourse WAS FOR THE CHURCH...

Eh...INCORRECT!

The Oliver Discourse was TO Jesus' Disciples TO TEACH Israel!

1) Jesus CAME TO the LOST JEWS.

2) Jesus SELECTED JEWS to be His Disciples.

3) Jesus TAUGHT His JEW Disciples Remembrances OF God of their fathers, OF Gods Messiah, OF NEW knowledge OF Christ's CHURCH, and

4) OF END of DAYS THAT APPLIES to Chirst's Church.
And

5) OF END of DAYS THAT APPLIES to
ISRAEL.

Olivet Discourse;
Spoken in :
Matt 24
Mark 13
Luke 21

READ;
Temple, Jewish Disciples, Peter, James, John, Andrew, Synagogues, Judea, Endure to the end to Receive Salvation, Tribes, Put to Death, Judea...

Really? YOU think Those things are talking ABOUT Christ's Church....?

well...they are NOT.

Jesus said NOTHING about ALL of Scripture is ABOUT HIS CHURCH.

Nor that ALL would BE IN HIS CHURCH!

Jesus SAID ALL MUST BE "BORN AGAIN" to enter His Kingdom.

You simply have NOT FIGURED OUT,
The END of DAYS upon the CORRUPT EARTH FOR Chirst's Church, BECOMES ACCOMPLISHED....

BEFORE...The END of DAYS upon the CORRUPT EARTH FOR Israel, BECOMES ACCOMPLISHED!

And you have not FIGURED OUT, Salvation that Applies to Chirst's Church...DOES NOT APPLY AT the same TIME TO Israel.

You have been repeatedly given Scripture that APPLIES EXPRESSLY to Christ's Church, and their End of Days UPON the Corrupt Earth....

Church ~
John 14: 1-4
Corin 15: 51 - 52
1 THes 4: 13 - 18
but par for the course you scoff at the TRUTH.

ISRAEL ~
Matt 24:
Mark 13: 1-37
Luke 21: 5-36
But par for the course you teach this applies to the CHURCH, when it APPLIES to ISRAEL!

those liars... even take plain and clearly written Scripture, and try to turn it 180 degrees out also. I speak of their denying that Christ's Olivet discourse is for His Church.

Jesus' Olivet Discourse DOES NOT MENTION "THE CHURCH'...!!

Perhaps you should STOP worrying about WHO are others are LEARNING FROM...and CONSIDER YOUR OWN TEACHERS and WHAT you teach and preach, and calling everyone LIARS who disagree with YOUR false Teaching.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

John Darby, et al are the ones who came up with the false ideas you're following, wrongly treating Christ's disciples as separate from His Church.

WHAT IS WRONG With YOU?

BLIND? DEAF? DENSE? IGNORANT?

Because you certainly are convincing me you ARE...with you Obsession with DARBY, DARBY, DARBY....

I have not read Darby, or follow Darby, or know who he is or WHAT he believed or WHAT he taught....AND DON'T CARE!

So, why after being TOLD REPEATEDLY can't you get that through your THICK CARNAL MIND?


YOU are the one who KEEPS TALKING ABOUT DARBY....
Seems YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HAS FOLLOWED AFTER AND READ AND STUDIED DARBY....SO WHY KEEP LYING, and Vomiting your nonsense ON me?

It Juvenile behavior, get over it.

Any believer on Jesus Christ ought to immediately... figure out those men saying that are deceivers, for Apostle Paul taught that Christ's Apostles, and even the OT prophets, are part of the FOUNDATION of Christ's Church!!!

LOL....What an Ephipany Moment you're having. Good for you...

Not a Secret...The Disciples of Jesus were the FIRST MEMBERS of Christ's Church...


Too bad, YOU are so blind...YOU FAIL TO NOTICE, NO ONE has SAID OTHERWISE!
LOL

Too bad, YOU have NOT ALSO NOTICED, Jesus' Disciples were JEWS, chosen to Learn from Jesus AND THEN GO TEACH other JEWS ABOUT Jesus.

Too bad, YOU have NOT ALSO NOTICED,
The MAJORITY OF JEWS, In Jesus' Day, In the Disciples/Apostles Days...
REJECTED JESUS...Yet still the Apostles Taught Remembrance of God, OF ISRAEL and the Gospel of Jesus Christ
AND The Disciples were give Charge TO TEACH THE JEWS NOT IN CHIRST...
ABOUT Israels' LAST DAYS UPON this corrupt Earth....AS JESUS TAUGHT THEM ON the Mount of Olives!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Davy said:
"even the OT prophets, are part of the FOUNDATION of Christ's Church!!! "

REALLY? IS that so? Seems you postulate...

Can you QUOTE any Scripture that declares the OT prophets are part of the FOUNDATION of Christ's Church....

I'll start you out with, With Jesus' OWN ANNOUNCEMENT of Him Building His OWN Church and WHAT the FOUNDATION of His Church is...

Matt 16:18 (Jesus speaking)
....I will build MY Church...

FOUNDATION of Jesus' Church.
Matt 16:18
...."THIS" rock.

"This rock" IS;
Matt 16:16
....Thou (Jesus) art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

You can take if from there....with Scripture of WHEN OT men became PART of the Foundation of Christ's Church, (that Jesus Established Centuries After their death).

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Davy]

Luke 17
[36] Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

One WITH the Lord God;
One WITHOUT the Lord God.


[37] And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

WITH the Lord, wherever the body of the Lord is;
Eagles (the Church) shall gather.

Kings gathered to see the Lord at His birth.
Men gathered to see the Lord on the cross.
Men gathered to see the Lord when He arose.
Saints graves opened to see the risen Lord.
Men gathered to see the Lord ascend to the clouds.
Men shall gather to see the Lord in the air.
Men shall gather to see the Lord coming to Earth.
Men shall gather to see the Lord in His Kingdom.
Men shall gather to see the Lord on Judgement Day.

Glory to God,
Taken

You're deceived, and you don't care how you butcher God's Word.

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

The type of body Jesus showed will be gathered among the eagles is a DEAD BODY, a "carcase" as written there (and it means a dead body per the Greek manuscripts of that verse).

 

[Davy]

Apparently you are UNAWARE, THEE ONLY ones PREPARED to be LIFTED UP off the face of the EARTH, BEFORE the "GREAT" Tribulation of God;

ARE SPECIFICALLY:
"THE CONVERTED IN CHRIST".

They are ALREADY "FORGIVEN"!
...By the Grace of God
They are ALREADY "DEAD"!
...crucified with Chirst
They are ALREADY "SOUL" SAVED!
...restored by the POWER of God
They are ALREADY "QUICKENED"!
...by the SEED of God
They ALREADY HAVE a "NEW HEART"!
...circumcised by the POWER of God
The ALREADY HAVE "the INDWELLING HS of God!
...And are NO LONGER "OF" this world.

All men WHO reject
God AND OR Christ; REMAIN ON THE EARTH...AND SUFFER portions of the TRIBULATION...
UNTIL they BELIEVE, Become Forgiven,
Their Soul Saved, Their Spirit Quickened, Their Heart circumcised, They receive the Spirit of God....AND THEY BECOME BODILY KILLED!

OR...THEY REMAIN REJECTING:
God AND OR Christ, and are Killed and DIE "IN" SIN!

Jesus CAME To DIVIDE...
The GREAT Tribulation of God, IS mankinds last days to DECIDE "IF" they will CHOOSE GOD and CHRIST or
Reject GOD and CHRIST...
AND THEN:
SEPARATION, OF those divided unto thee Lord God, and those divided NOT unto thee Lord God.

You appear completely oblivious, of the ENTIRE THEME of Scripture IS About the Fallen state of mankind, AND HOW mankind can become reconciled, made Whole, and acceptable to God, FOR GOD to CLAIM such men UNTO HIMSELF.

You TOOT your own horn, of BEING MADE WHOLE....BUT THEN completely DENY...The Lord has set a TIME BEFORE His Wrath, Anger, Destruction 'UPON" the Earth; to SEPARATE and CLAIM WHAT God HAS ALREADY MADE WHOLLY Acceptable to Him.

And that there are MULTITUDES of MEN, who BELIEVE IN GOD....BUT NOT CHRIST, WHO must suffer portions of the GREAT TRIBULATION of God, FOR having KNOWN of Christ Jesus, and REJECTING Him.

BELIEF is NOT EITHER OR...
One must BELIEVE IN BOTH;
God and Christ Jesus to NOT BE Subject to the WRATH of Gods GREAT Tribulation.

You INSIST you shall BE ON EARTH...
DURING Gods GREAT TRIBULATION:
Dandy for you, you will then BE COUNTED among the others LEFT BEHIND, "NOT" faithful TO God AND Christ Jesus.

And IFY...God WILL BE CONCENTRATING ON THE Tribes of Israel...Sending THEM witnesses and teachers..144,002 to be exact, FOR THEM to profess Belief IN Christ Jesus, and they become saved, quickened....and BODLILY KILLED.

And to the REST Left BEHIND...1 Angel to preach the Gospel throughout the World.

Rev 14 [6] And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

There IS NO MENTION of Converted Gentiles IN Christ, PREACHING the Word of God During the Great Tribulation of God...
AS YOU SUGGEST YOU will be DOING!



LOL...

Doesn't matter if you are Quoted Applicable Scripture, Given an elementary example, or you quote Scripture.... you do not show you divide the Word of Truth, or even know what that means...

As you say..."YOU FOLLOW ALL of Scripture."

Well mister gentile...A great deal of Scripture APPLIES EXCLUSIVELY to:
1) Hebrews
2) Tribes of Israel
3) Judah
4) Women
5) Men who Worship Idols
6) Men who REJECT God
7) Men who REJECT Chirst Jesus
8) Men who Believed and Fell Away
9) Men who Believed and Submitted
10) Men who WILL Believe and Submit.

And your teaching and preaching REFLECTS, YOU FOLLOW after, and APPLY Scriptures "to yourself"....AND attempt to APPLY TO OTHERS;
that HAVE NOTHING to do with a man Converted IN Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

The Left-Behind theory is nothing but hot air, a huge... joke being played upon the gullible to steal their money. How much money has Tim LaHaye and Hal Lindsey made off their books so far? Millions!!! When you tune into one those pre-trib rapture preachers on TV, what are those mostly preaching? About giving them MONEY!

 

[Taken]

The Left-Behind theory is nothing but hot air, a huge... joke being played upon the gullible to steal their money.

LOL-

You testifed you will be Left Behind ON Earth during the Great Tribulation.

And now you testify that people who "teach" being Left Behind On Earth during the Great Tribulation is purposed to Steal Money!

LOL- So what Church do you go to that taught you, you would Be Left Behind during the Great Tribulation... that you Do Not Financially contribute Money to Support their ministry?

Freeloader.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Davy]

LOL-

You testifed you will be Left Behind ON Earth during the Great Tribulation.

And now you testify that people who "teach" being Left Behind On Earth during the Great Tribulation is purposed to Steal Money!

LOL- So what Church do you go to that taught you, you would Be Left Behind during the Great Tribulation... that you Do Not Financially contribute Money to Support their ministry?

Freeloader.

Glory to God,
Taken

I may die before... the future great trib even comes, silly.

The first one 'taken' is by the Antichrist. That means the deceived like you, since you listen to liars who reverse Christ's answer at the end of Luke 17 when His disciples asked Him where the first one taken would be taken to.

Go buy some more Left-Behind books and movies. Tim LaHaye will love you for it while lying to you.

 

[tzcho2]

I may die before... the future great trib even comes, silly.

The first one 'taken' is by the Antichrist. That means the deceived like you, since you listen to liars who reverse Christ's answer at the end of Luke 17 when His disciples asked Him where the first one taken would be taken to.

Go buy some more Left-Behind books and movies. Tim LaHaye will love you for it while lying to you.

To "lie" means to deceive on purpose btw, obviously Tim LaHaye believes what he is writing about, he is not going around simply believing the opposite but lying to people. Lol!
Obviously on some of these minor doctrines people will disagree understandably, so running around calling people "liars and deceivers " because you disagree with them on these topics makes you look rather silly, imo.

 

[Taken]

The first one 'taken' is by the Antichrist.

Really, and what is your perceived TIMEFRAME of WHEN "that night" shall BE?

Luke 17

[33] Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
[34] I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
[35] Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
[36] Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
[37] And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

That means ...

You do not comprehend the Context of PRE-Tribulation.

The Anti-Christ's APPEARENCE occurs DURING the Tribulation!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Davy]

To "lie" means to deceive on purpose btw, obviously Tim LaHaye believes what he is writing about, he is not going around simply believing the opposite but lying to people. Lol!
Obviously on some of these minor doctrines people will disagree understandably, so running around calling people "liars and deceivers " because you disagree with them on these topics makes you look rather silly, imo.

To deceive means pushing a lie, especially involving the coming Antichrist that is to play Messiah in Jerusalem. That is who the first one taken will be taken to, as a dead carcase, like Jesus taught (Luke 17:36-37; Matthew 24:28).

2 Thess 2:10-12
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
KJV


How do you think our Lord Jesus will feel when He comes and find one of His has played the spiritual harlot with another instead of waiting on His coming at the end of the tribulation? There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth by those who do not wait on Him, but instead fly away to the first supernatural Messiah that shows up, which will be the Antichrist.

 

[tzcho2]

To deceive means pushing a lie, especially involving the coming Antichrist that is to play Messiah in Jerusalem. That is who the first one taken will be taken to, as a dead carcase, like Jesus taught (Luke 17:36-37; Matthew 24:28).

2 Thess 2:10-12
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
KJV


How do you think our Lord Jesus will feel when He comes and find one of His has played the spiritual harlot with another instead of waiting on His coming at the end of the tribulation? There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth by those who do not wait on Him, but instead fly away to the first supernatural Messiah that shows up, which will be the Antichrist.

You badly misapply scriptures Davy, haven't seen you get any right yet. I don't know who you are listening to, but they are misleading you.

 

[Davy]

You badly misapply scriptures Davy, haven't seen you get any right yet. I don't know who you are listening to, but they are misleading you.

I haven't seen you able to disprove what I've shown from Scripture, so all you are doing is just running your mouth and bearing false witness. Most likely you do that because you probably adhere to the false pre-trib rapture theory, and you don't like me revealing the Scriptures in God's Word that disproves that theory. Otherwise, why would you seek to attack my posts here about that subject? By your doing that, and not giving any Scripture in rebuttal, but only seeking to attack my credibility, shows how dishonorable a person you really are.