THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL
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This is contrary to Peter
[Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
his order was repent then baptize
To me being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ is to acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31) and acknowledge that Jesus is God with the father Son and Holy Ghost
Israel was baptized for the remission of sins to prepare themselves for the coming of Jesus to Israel and prepare for his coming kingdom by being cleansed for their priesthood in the kingdom
Israel had to repent and believe their Christ was among them and after the cross to repent of his death. Baptism was to cleanse / wash away sins
[Act 22:16 KJV] 16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Grailhunter
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What I believe and what you believe and what George believes and what Sally believes can be factual or an opinion. Where is the truth? To address the topic here….The apostles did not all preach the same gospel…Is that true or not true? Is there a scripture that says all of the Apostles preached the same “gospel”?
I would say in short that the meeting in Jerusalum between the Jewish-Christians and Gentile-Christians and the results of that meeting prove that they did not believe or preach the same thing.
I would say in short that the meeting in Jerusalum between the Jewish-Christians and Gentile-Christians and the results of that meeting prove that they did not believe or preach the same thing.
Grailhunter
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If you are walking along in the park and decide you believe that Christ existed….does that mean you are saved? Is belief of or belief in Christ the same? What does belief “in” Christ mean?
Grailhunter
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So if we believe in Christ and want to go to heaven, what is the next step? Is there a prescribed sequence of steps? What does the next step mean? What does it do?
I don't think that that meeting in Jerusalem meant such a thing. Among the brothers there were some who were weak and did not understand some difficult-to-understand issues. Other brothers surely, like today, resisted changing their Jewish views that they had before becoming Christians, to the point that, for example, some of them insisted on the need for circumcision for Gentiles.
However, even though these differences existed, as happens in some matters that are decided at the level of personal conscience (based on well-known biblical principles on a personal level), what these differences in the first century really demonstrated was the capacity of the holy spirit and the direction of Christ over the newly formed Christian congregation. In what sense?
There was a very intelligent way of clearing up doubts: the elders and apostles of Jerusalem were consulted so that they could find a solution to the matter, as shown in chapter 15 of the book of Acts of the Apostles. Their decision overcame the conflicting opinions and feelings of the different groups of Christians at the time. They all accepted the decision that was made in Jerusalem and that was made known through letters sent and read equally in all the Christian congregations in the area.
Is there any religious organization today that follows this same procedure? Yes; Jehovah's Witnesses follow the same procedure. When a brother around the world has a serious doubt, he sends it to the Governing Body through the appropriate channel and waits for the answer without causing divisions in the congregation, thus avoiding sectarianism, and promoting a common way of thinking among all. That is why Jehovah's Witnesses enjoy the blessings of following this biblically established model.
Grailhunter
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The meeting set a whole different set of parameters. With a letter that defined that. So I disagree.
Then there is also the fact that this disagreement continued. The history of it all….during the Roman siege of Jerusalem the Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians turned on each other.
Personal differences will always exist.
Now: does Jesus Christ know how to control the congregation of which he is the appointed head by God, or not?
Now: does Jesus Christ know how to control the congregation of which he is the appointed head by God, or not?
They did not preach the same gospel as evident by reading their preaching and teaching
Just thought of this verse
[Act 22:12, 16 KJV] 12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt [there], ... 16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Ananias was a devout man according to the law and said water baptism washed away sin
Yes they had to repent and believe but then had to be water baptized to be cleansed
CadyandZoe
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There are various reasons why someone might choose to undergo the rite of baptism. In many cases today, baptism does not necessarily indicate the individual's desire to become a disciple of Christ. For example, some people may be baptized simply to become members of a church. In this context, baptism does not contribute to a person's salvation.
We recognize that baptism is culturally anticipated and expected when one becomes a disciple of Christ. However, water baptism is a symbolic event rather than an essential part of salvation. A person can become a disciple of Jesus Christ without being baptized.
Could you please tell me what is the gospel you believe to have eternal life in heaven?
GISMYS_7
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Satan loves to plant seeds of doubt=those that would help him!! BEWARE the cost.
CadyandZoe
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Those who have a covenant relationship with Jesus Christ will be freed from sin, freed from punishment, and live forever
[Rom 9:4 KJV] 4 Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;
Only Israel had the covenants
Please show me scripture where and what is your covenant
Here is my post on the gospel that I posted on this site
THE GOSPEL
CadyandZoe
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There is more than one covenant. Those who become disciples of Jesus Christ and obey his teachings are in a covenant with him. Christians know this as the "New Covenant."
Lambano
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6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (2 Corinthians 3:6)
What is this "New Covenant" Paul speaks of and what are the Covenantal terms and conditions?
How does it relate to the Eucharistic "new covenant in Jesus's blood" spoken of by Jesus in Luke 22:20 and by Paul in 1 Corinthians 11;25?
Romans 9:4 says covenants....plural
Nowhere does Paul say the body of Christ is in a covenant relationship
Please show me a verse that says otherwise
[Heb 8:10 KJV] 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
The new covenant is made with Israel only
Lambano
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Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles. The Corinthians are Gentiles. What are the terms and conditions of this "New Covenant" relationship in 2 Corinthians 3:6 and 1 Corinthians 11:25?
