The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

[ewq1938]

I don’t think this at all who thinks these things?

Various Amills from various forums. Not all of you think alike. One was expressed just in this thread and I added it but we are far away from that number.

 

[ewq1938]

18. Can satan deceive the nations while being bound and sealed in the pit?

Amillennialism sometimes teaches that "satan has deceived the nations from Adam onwards, but his power was limited by his being imprisoned in the Abyss by Jesus Christ." or something similar. Yet, Revelation 20:3 says he can "deceive the nations no more" until released.

Amillennialism teaches that satan has limited power to deceive the nations while bound and sealed in the pit but scripture states he has no power to deceive the nations at all. Not limited but absolutely unable. Amillennialism directly contradicts what the Holy Scripture says here.

 

[Earburner]

18. Can satan deceive the nations while being bound and sealed in the pit?

Amillennialism sometimes teaches that "satan has deceived the nations from Adam onwards, but his power was limited by his being imprisoned in the Abyss by Jesus Christ." or something similar. Yet, Revelation 20:3 says he can "deceive the nations no more" until released.

Amillennialism teaches that satan has limited power to deceive the nations while bound and sealed in the pit but scripture states he has no power to deceive the nations at all. Not limited but absolutely unable. Amillennialism directly contradicts what the Holy Scripture says here.

Because you have a misunderstanding of the parable of the "strongman", you have a false conclusion of how and when satan is being bound.
Matthew 12:29, Mark 3:27, Luke 11:21.
Read all three together, overlapping each other as one, then discern by the Lord's Holy Spirit, of what the words "house", "spoil", "goods" represent.

In Matthew 16:20-23, who was it that was speaking through Peter?
For Peter, and the diciples, how did the situation change after Pentecost? See Matthew 16:19

Secondly you also have a wild idea of what the bottomless pit is. Here's a clue: a "pit" is a grave, and anything that is "bottomless", has no end.
Because satan has been cast/ thrown out of Heaven, and cannot return back into Heaven, this earth is his ONLY place of residence.
Therefore this earth is the place of his endless death, aka his "bottomless pit".

Also, for every person who has faith in Jesus, and is a born again Christian, satan can not re-enter them ever again.
Why?
Ans. John 14:23
For more understanding, see Matthew 12:43-45 and Luke 11:26.

 

[Marty fox]

Because you have a misunderstanding of the parable of the "strongman", you have a false conclusion of how and when satan is being bound.
Matthew 12:29, Mark 3:27, Luke 11:21.
Read all three together, overlapping each other as one, then discern by the Lord's Holy Spirit, of what the words "house", "spoil", "goods" represent.

In Matthew 16:20-23, who was it that was speaking through Peter?
For Peter, and the diciples, how did the situation change after Pentecost? See Matthew 16:19

Secondly you also have a wild idea of what the bottomless pit is. Here's a clue: a "pit" is a grave, and anything that is "bottomless", has no end.
Because satan has been cast/ thrown out of Heaven, and cannot return back into Heaven, this earth is his ONLY place of residence.
Therefore this earth is the place of his endless death, aka his "bottomless pit".

Also, for every person who has faith in Jesus, and is a born again Christian, satan can not re-enter them ever again.
Why?
Ans. John 14:23
For more understanding, see Matthew 12:43-45 and Luke 11:26.

Fantastic post

 

[ewq1938]

Secondly you also have a wild idea of what the bottomless pit is. Here's a clue: a "pit" is a grave, and anything that is "bottomless", has no end.
Because satan has been cast/ thrown out of Heaven, and cannot return back into Heaven, this earth is his ONLY place of residence.
Therefore this earth is the place of his endless death, aka his "bottomless pit".

So Amillennialism changes the concept of a pit to the entire world and we are all in it. That doctrine gets weirder and weirder, and further and further from scripture. This nonsense just made it into my list.

 

[Earburner]

So Amillennialism changes the concept of a pit to the entire world and we are all in it. That doctrine gets weirder and weirder, and further and further from scripture. This nonsense just made it into my list.

Isa.55[8] For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Zech.4[6] Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might [natural self will], nor by power [religious persuasion], but by my spirit [John 16:13, 1 Corinthians 2:16] saith the LORD of hosts.

Luke.21[8] And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for MANY shall come in my name, [agreeing] saying, [that] I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
1 Corinthians 2:5

Rev.2
[17] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
To him that overcometh [is born again] will I give to eat of the hidden manna*, and will GIVE him a white stone [aka white robes]*, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
*Note: The Gift of God's Holy Spirit.
Matthew 13:33.

 

[Earburner]

Fantastic post

According to the Amillennial view,
It is evident that we all three think a like in The Spirit, which defeats the assumptions and false accusations of those who oppose it.

"There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth"- Earburner

 

[GEN2REV]

17. Does God destroy 1/10th of New Jerusalem?

Amillennialism sometimes teaches the Jerusalem of Revelation 11 is New Jerusalem because they think the events seen in Revelation 9 (the pit being opened etc) are happening at the same timeframe of Revelation 20. The events seen in Revelation 9 happen in the 5th trumpet, which is before the events of the Great Tribulation. The events of Revelation 20 (the pit being locked) happens after the Great Tribulation has ended. Nothing is being released at that time because it had been open since the 5th trumpet. Satan will be cast into the pit and the pit will be locked for one thousand years. The destruction of 1/10th of Jerusalem is old Jerusalem not New Jerusalem since the damage to the city in Revelation 11 takes place within the 6th trumpet. It therefore cannot be New Jerusalem which descends after the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) is over, Revelation 21.

You, and everybody else who has founded their doctrinal structure on the man-made timeframes of the bowls, seals and trumps, etc., are making total assumptions about those timeframes and claiming that those assumptions are proof for, or against, specific doctrines.

It's no shock that you use those very assumptions to try and claim Amil. is inaccurate in certain of its aspects.

There is absolutely zero rock-solid proof for the timeframes of any of the bowls, seals or trumps. Yet another circular-type reasoning that has nothing solid to stand upon.

"We have decided, by no proof of Scripture, that these things take place at such and such time; therefore, we conclude that your beliefs in such and such don't line up with our fabricated conclusions."

"We have decided that these things take place at such and such time; therefore since your beliefs don't align with our assumed timeframes for these events, we say your belief is wrong."

Nothing in Scripture supports your assumed conclusions.

More exploitation of Revelation without any Biblical support from outside of that book.

 

[GEN2REV]

18. Can satan deceive the nations while being bound and sealed in the pit?

Amillennialism sometimes teaches that "satan has deceived the nations from Adam onwards, but his power was limited by his being imprisoned in the Abyss by Jesus Christ." or something similar. Yet, Revelation 20:3 says he can "deceive the nations no more" until released.

Amillennialism teaches that satan has limited power to deceive the nations while bound and sealed in the pit but scripture states he has no power to deceive the nations at all. Not limited but absolutely unable. Amillennialism directly contradicts what the Holy Scripture says here.

Nope.

Amil. says that Satan is only bound from deceiving the nations to come together to do battle against the Lord. He can still do all manner of other evil works upon the world until that time. And it's very possible, and likely, that the time for Him to be released to bring nations together to do battle against God and His Saints has already arrived; if one takes an honest look at the world lately.

But, like someone else mentioned, it takes Holy Spirit discernment to actually see that.

 

[Earburner]

So Amillennialism changes the concept of a pit to the entire world and we are all in it.

Rom.8[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
If therefore those who are not born again of the Holy Spirit, are declared by Him as being "none of His", who then do they belong to?
1John.3[8] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.[
10] In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother*
*Note: please notice that he did not say "loveth not his neighbor".

 

[ewq1938]

You, and everybody else who has founded their doctrinal structure on the man-made timeframes of the bowls, seals and trumps, etc., are making total assumptions about those timeframes and claiming that those assumptions are proof for, or against, specific doctrines.

It's no shock that you use those very assumptions to try and claim Amil. is inaccurate in certain of its aspects.

There is absolutely zero rock-solid proof for the timeframes of any of the bowls, seals or trumps. Yet another circular-type reasoning that has nothing solid to stand upon.

Having fun making up all these strawman fallacies? It's Amillennialism that places most of those in the past so it's dumb to argue against timeframes for them because it is Amillennialism that is guilty of that not Premillennialism.

 

[ewq1938]

Nope.

Amil. says that Satan is only bound from deceiving the nations to come together to do battle against the Lord. He can still do all manner of other evil works upon the world until that time.

That's contrary to what the bible presents. Satan is fully incapacitated according to Revelation 20, Amill's most favorite chapter in the whole bible! lol

 

[ewq1938]

Rom.8[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
If therefore those who are not born again of the Holy Spirit, are declared by Him as being "none of His", who then do they belong to?
1John.3[8] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.[
10] In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother*
*Note: please notice that he did not say "loveth not his neighbor".

My doctrine doesn't teach the paradise of Eden was in the pit. According to Amillennialism, even New Jerusalem will be located in the bottomless pit!

That should drive people far away from Amillennialism.

 

[ewq1938]

19. Christ reigns in heaven over his enemies?

The problem with such a theory is that Matthew 22:44 presents Christ remaining in heaven at the right side of his Father until it's time to reign over his enemies (they being made into a symbolic footstool). That is when he returns at the 7th trump and reigns over his enemies with a rod of iron upon the Earth. A heavenly reign over his Earthly enemies is not scriptural and is obvious to anyone to not currently be happening since the world is in chaos and sin and rebellion. That will not happen when Christ is actually ruling over everyone on this planet.

 

[Earburner]

My doctrine doesn't teach the paradise of Eden was in the pit. According to Amillennialism, even New Jerusalem will be located in the bottomless pit!

That should drive people far away from Amillennialism.

You are attempting to discern and interpret God's spiritual things through your natural mind, and then launch it all by your religious persuasion, thinking that God's thoughts and ways are like yours.
If you do have the Mind of Christ, it is evident that you are not utilizing it.
1 Corinthians 2[4] And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
[5] That YOUR faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but [rather] in the power of God.

[13] Which things also WE speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[GEN2REV]

Revelation 20, Amill's most favorite chapter in the whole bible! lol

lol is right.

Isaiah 29:16

 

[GEN2REV]

Satan is fully incapacitated according to Revelation 20,

Satan is fully incapacitated in 1 Corinthians 15:25 ... upon Jesus' return.

You know, when the Millennium doesn't begin.

 

[ewq1938]

If you do have the Mind of Christ, it is evident that you are not utilizing it.

Ah, insults! An Amills favorite tool!

 

[Earburner]

Ah, insults! An Amills favorite tool!

No, I am not insulting you or anyone else here!
It's a common problem among all professing Christians.

Many are Born again of God's Holy Spirit, and are sealed unto the Day of redemption, but they are being side tracked by the "tares" that have not been born again.
The unsaved are among the "wheat", and they get into lofty positions, such as Theologins, Bishops, Bible College Teachers, Pastors etc., all because of the doctrines of men, and by the approval of the same. All of such don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, "but they do DENY the power thereof".

Jesus said it this way:
Mark.13[6] For MANY shall come in my name, saying, [that] I [Jesus] am [the] Christ; and shall deceive MANY.

Luke.21[8] And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for MANY shall come in my name, saying, [that] I am [the] Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Paul said the same:
2Tim.3[5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
That's why Paul also said:
1Cor.2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Edit:
1 Corinthians 3[11] For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
[12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
[13] Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
[14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
[15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

There are more in the churches who have been and are preaching falsehoods in Christ's name, than those who do say that they themselves are the Christ.

 

[ewq1938]

No, I am not insulting you or anyone else here!

Your entire post is insult after insult and accusation after accusation. You are an accuser.