The Lord's Prayer

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BreadOfLife

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Like everybody else, reputable Bible scholars have “feet of clay” also. There are many translations of the Bible because many don’t want to believe God as being the Author of the Bible!!! Otherwise, they will have to obey what is written therein.

QUOTE="BreadOfLife, post: 493335, member: 7345"]That's why Christ left us with a CHURCH and NOT a Book.

I beg to differ. God did NOT leave a church full of sinners but left His Word written in a Book called the Bible. The Church, which is invisible, that Jesus began at Pentecost, consists of all true born-again believers.

And you think you know me? I have burnt the midnight oil so that I can learn the Word of God, and to refute the false teachings of churches like the church you belong to. For I was born to do this!

You should look in the mirror and keep reading 1 Corinthians 14:36 until it becomes second nature to you.

To God Be The Glory[/QUOTE]
And this is an ignorant view of both the Church and the Bible.

First of all – the Church is NOT ”invisible”. It is like a city on a hill that cannot be hidden. JESUS said that, Einstein (Matt. 5:14-16).

As for the Bible – it wasn’t compiled and declared Canon until 383 AD at the Council of Rome – by the CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Jesus left a CHURCH – not a Book. The Bok cam THREE CENTURIES later, Einstein.
Do your HOMEWORK . . .
 

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First of all – the Church is NOT ”invisible”. It is like a city on a hill that cannot be hidden. JESUS said that, Einstein (Matt. 5:14-16).

And so you think you know what a spiritual “invisible church” looks like? FYI, the invisible church of Christ consists of those whose sins He redeemed since Pentecost (Matthew 1:21). And you know who they are? Amazing.

The city on a hill of Matthew 5:14-16 is NOT a church!!! They are those who glorify the Father by their good works...etc Only God’s children will glorify the Father and NEVER the Apostate Catholic Church.

As for the Bible – it wasn’t compiled and declared Canon until 383 AD at the Council of Rome – by the CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Says you and the CC. In fact, the Bible was written when God told Moses and Jeremiah to write a book (Bible) and by other writers which were completed by John at the end of Revelation. The gall of your church to claim that what God has done.

Jesus left a CHURCH – not a Book. The Bok cam THREE CENTURIES later, Einstein.
Do your HOMEWORK . . .

The audacity of men and a church to pat themselves on the back and to take away the glory that belongs to God! You have no idea what you people are talking about. I throw this back at you... Do your HOMEWORK!!!

God is the Author of the Bible and dictated the words He wanted to convey to mankind through His Prophets and Apostles, as stated in 2 Peter 1:21.

To God Be The Glory
 

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And so you think you know what a spiritual “invisible church” looks like? FYI, the invisible church of Christ consists of those whose sins He redeemed since Pentecost (Matthew 1:21). And you know who they are? Amazing.

The city on a hill of Matthew 5:14-16 is NOT a church!!! They are those who glorify the Father by their good works...etc Only God’s children will glorify the Father and NEVER the Apostate Catholic Church.
WRONG.

Matt. 5 begins with The Beatitudes. Jesus specifically says:
Matt. 5:11
Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you falsely because of ME.

When Jesus continues His teaching, He is speaking to the SAME crowd when He says:
Matt. 5:13
YOU are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot. YOU are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.

This "city on a hill" are HIS FOLLOWERS, Einstein.
You know - CHRISTIANS.

This "invisible Church" is YOUR invention and has NO place in the Bible . . .
Says you and the CC. In fact, the Bible was written when God told Moses and Jeremiah to write a book (Bible) and by other writers which were completed by John at the end of Revelation. The gall of your church to claim that what God has done.

The audacity of men and a church to pat themselves on the back and to take away the glory that belongs to God! You have no idea what you people are talking about. I throw this back at you... Do your HOMEWORK!!!

God is the Author of the Bible and dictated the words He wanted to convey to mankind through His Prophets and Apostles, as stated in 2 Peter 1:21.

To God Be The Glory
Time for a History lesson . . .

Let's start with a promise fro Christ to His Church:
John 16:12-15

“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, HE WILL GUIDE YOU TO ALL TRUTH. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.


During a period of 37 years at the end of the 4th and the turn of the 5th century, the Canon of Scripture was formally declared and confirmed FIVE times. It is the same canon of Scripture that was around during the Protestant Revolt and that is still in use today by the Catholic Church. It was during the Protestant Revolt in the 16th century and subsequent periods that rebellious, prideful men had problems with the canon and decided for themselves that some of the books were "uninspired". Luther wanted to remove several books including Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation. Calvin and Zwingli did not believe Revelation to be inspired and wanted to remove it as well.

- The Synod of Rome (382) is where the canon was first formally identified under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
- It was confirmed at the Synod of Hippo eleven years later (393).
- At the Council (or Synod) of Carthage (397), it was yet again confirmed. The bishops wrote at the end of their document, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon". There were 44 bishops, including St. Augustine who signed the document.
- 7 years later, in 405, in a letter from Pope Innocent I to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, he reiterated the canon.
- 14 years after that, at the 2nd Council (Synod) of Carthage (419) the canon was again formally confirmed.

The Canon of Scripture was officially closed at the Council of Trent in the 16th century because of the perversions happening within Protestantism and the random editing and deleting of books from the Canon.

Them's the facts of history, sparky . . .