The Lord will fight for Israel and Jerusalem; Zech. 12

[rwb]

Another straw man builder. I am done trying to reason with you as well. Have a nice day.

Too bad, but I understand! Pride often keeps us from seeking for truth after the doctrine we've been deceived by is proven to be unbiblical doctrines of men! You have a nice day as well.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why are you always trying to misrepresent what I have said? Strawman

Why would I try to do that? Have you considered that maybe you're not being clear?

Strawman

Strawman

I’m done with trying to reason with you on this point. Have a nice day

Not my fault that you avoid many of my points and are not clear on your own. Is there some reason why you won't address any of my points? Is there some reason why you won't exegete the scriptures that I bring up? I'd like to know how you interpret 2 Peter 3:10-13. Am I asking too much? I think you need to actually think about this some more. You are currently not able to defend your doctrine with scripture. I am backing up all of my points with scripture and your responses are not very convincing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You're inventing a narrative taken out of context!

Revelation 5 is clearly a vision of things seen in heaven, not on this earth. The saints of heaven, who shall reign forever with the Lord on the new earth. According to Scripture when we become saved we are reigning spiritually with the Lord in heaven through His Spirit within. Because in life we had spiritually entered the Kingdom of God, when faithful saints die they go a spiritual body, John sees as living "souls" to heaven. But heaven is not our permanent home. These souls in heaven shown John in this vision will return with Christ when He comes again (1Th 4:14). Then we shall be changed from mortal & corruptible body to immortal & incorruptible body, fit to reign with Christ throughout eternity on the NEW EARTH.

In this vision John was shown the full embodiment of heaven that shall be when the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete!

Revelation 5:1-14 (KJV) And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

1 Corinthians 4:8 (KJV) Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.

1 Peter 2:9 (KJV) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Revelation 1:5-6 (KJV) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 5:9-10 (KJV) And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Revelation 20:6 (KJV) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Because we live and reign with Christ in time, symbolized a thousand years, we shall also reign with Him in a spiritual body in heaven after our body dies. Then when we are clothed in immortal & incorruptible body of flesh again, we shall continue to reign with Christ physically throughout eternity on the NEW EARTH!

Yeah, the present tense and ongoing nature of Christ's reign and us reigning with Him as priests during this life and continuing in heaven after we die physically/bodily is very clear. It's no wonder that Premils don't want to talk about this.

 

[Timtofly]

Is this really all you have? You have no better answer? I know from what I've read from other posts from you that you have pretty good knowledge of the Bible. My fear, and what I'm beginning to assume is that you may not have spiritual knowledge or even understand the Kingdom of God is a spiritual Kingdom that can only be known through spiritual discernment. Would you accept an answer as you've given from me as truth, if I simply reply, "you are in ERROR"? I think not! If you cannot show how I am in error using the Word of God then there is no reason that I should believe you, and in fact I'm left to assume you cannot biblically refute my reply because the doctrine I've given is biblical and cannot be biblically disproven.

Why must you judge others on their spiritual discernment? Many here just slap that word "spiritual" on their post as if it means something. Their post with the word spiritual is no more having spiritual discernment than the post you replied to claiming "having a lack of spiritual discernment".

Amil is not a Biblical doctrine. It is a man made eschatology that also contradicts Scripture.

John does not use the word "spiritual" in Revelation 20. Amil add that concept to the chapter. John does not say there is a heavenly kingdom in Revelation 20. Amil add that concept to the chapter.

Your explanation of Revelation 20 says that martyrdom is a constant ongoing process over the course of thousands of years, thus they rule while alive, but are then killed. That is not even what John wrote at all.

Your refutation is that there is not even a physical resurrection in Revelation 20:4, but is just the spiritual second birth, explaining how they were beheaded having that second birth. The second birth is not even hinted at, nor explicitly mentioned in Revelation 20.

Are they beheaded in a spiritual sense or a physical sense? If spiritual, where is your corroborating Scripture that the term "beheaded" is strictly spiritual?

If I said I had a one hundred dollar bill, and you interpreted that statement like you do Revelation 20, it would sound like this:

"So what you are saying is that you had that 100 dollars placed in the bank 50 years ago and it has gained compound interest, and is now a thousand dollars."

That is not what I said. I said I had a hundred dollar bill. I may put it in a bank, but have not.

John never said those beheaded would live between the first century and the Second Coming. John said those beheaded would be resurrected after the Second Coming, and then and only then reign for a thousand years that was about to start.

That is the problem with Amil. They refuse to say that beheaded souls were given life and have even spiritually or physically reigned since the first century. They never address the facts, but point to the use of a thousand in the OT to attempt to shed light on the NT, while claiming the NT is supposed to shed light on the OT. Then they claim the "first resurrection" has to be a spiritual term that only they have the spiritual discernment to enlighten others on.

I have pointed out from John 3 that the first birth, first death, and first resurrection are all physical. The second birth, second death are spiritual. There is no second resurrection statement out of the LOF, the second death.


One cannot have a spiritual resurrection prior to the spiritual death of the LOF. Now Paul says that coming out of spiritual bondage of sin is likened unto a resurrection out of death, but that is not the first resurrection, but an anology. Amil should not hijack a term that relates to a physical resurrection, by merely finding the word "first" in Scripture. That is not spiritual discernment, but simply comparing words of the English language.

 

[Timtofly]

Prove from the Scriptures the thousand years does not start until after the resurrection on the last day when the last trumpet sounds?

1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

If the dead in Christ shall NOT be raised until the last trump sounds, how can Christ reign on this earth a thousand more years since after the dead are raised this earth shall be consumed by the fire of God's wrath that shall come down from heaven?

1 Thessalonians 4:16 (KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

2 Peter 3:10 (KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Can you prove that the fire mentioned in 2 Peter 3 will last for a thousand years?

No one is saying that the Day of the Lord is a thousand year long fire.

How long does it take to baptize the earth in fire? Matthew 3:11-12

"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

Is John saying this would happen in the first century, or echoing Peter in 2 Peter 3?

Peter compared the fire to the Flood. John compared his baptism to that of Jesus. There is both a physical and spiritual application. Having the Holy Spirit has been the spiritual application since the Cross. However that baptism of fire is what Peter is comparing to the Flood, a physical event. The baptism of fire will not even last as long as the Flood did. Or no one would be left alive. But demanding proof that the fire will last a thousand years, is not how one proves a literal thousand year reign of Christ on the earth. The Day of the Lord comes with that cleansing fire, so Jesus can reign a thousand years.

"Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

This is a Second Coming reference. None of that happened in the first century, nor any century since then. How long did it take for John to baptize a person? 2 seconds? The baptism of fire is over before humans can physically feel the effect, but it will destroy all their works, so will have a far greater impact, than physical pain, of the fire itself. Not since the Flood has God taken away all that humans have built up. That is what the Second Coming at the 6th Seal will do. Then people will have to endure, or be deceived by Satan for quite some time, before the Day of the Lord actually starts.

Peter does not say the fire will last the entire day of the Lord. The Coming is just the tip of the tribulation point, where Jesus is personally on earth:

"Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

The book of Revelation from chapter 6 until 19 is an unfolding of events between the Second Coming and the start of the Day of the Lord in chapter 20.

Most Amil want Revelation to be about the last 2 Days of the Lord instead of the coming Day of the Lord. Some Amil deny a future Millennial Kingdom, but don't see Revelation as a history of the last 2 millenia. Also many pre-mill are wrong on what a "last day" is.

The last day resurrection talked about in an OT reference was the graves opened up at the Cross. But that was only for the redeemed, because the dead, will not have a resurrection called their last day, for over another thousand years. Daniel did not see the 2 days between the Cross and the Second Coming, nor the final Day of the Lord. Daniel saw it all as a single event. Many still use Daniel (a last day event), even though it has literally been almost 2,000 years since the resurrection of the Cross and people still think the Second Coming could be thousands of years away.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Zechariah 12 gives us some insights into events leading up to the coming of the Lord. In the world today we see a growing anti-Israel sentiment, which could lead to much bigger things; even events to watch for that will precede the coming of the Lord.



So let me post Zechariah 12



12 The burden of the word of the Lordfor Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siegeboth against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the Lord of hosts their God.

6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

7 The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lordbefore them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.”

Notice in verses 1 through 9 God is talking about the nations coming against Israel, and all the people of the earth who burden themselves with Jerusalem will be cut to pieces. And we are told in verse 8 “ In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem;”

So this to me is showing how God’s favor will return to the children of Israel at this time, and God shall defend them

TRUE! And it also supports Romans 11! A remnant Jewish population (1/3) will be saved when Jesus returns.

It is interesting that the word Hama is short for Mohammed. So in essence all Muslims are Hamas. And in Arabic it means blessed. Go figure that one, they are the least blessed of anyone on the planet. They are the opposite of or anti-blessed people.
Also if we were to speculate that the date October 7, 2023 began the Great Tribulation ( and keep in mind that the GT centers around Jerusalem as most of Bible history and prophecy does), added 1260 days, we would come to March 20, 2027, two days before Purim, a holiday celebrated in remembrance of their deliverance from Haman, a Persian official of King Xerxes. Wasn't that the king in the movie 300?
Iran (formerly Persia) is the head the Beast, who gathers ten nations against Israel. They now have Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Lebonon, Yemen, and also Russia has helped them with their nuclear program since the 90's. Russia has a base in Syria. Why? Why are they in the middle of this and assisting Iran and helping Asad??? Are they fighting their own proxy war, wanting Iran to destroy Israel, get wiped out themselves along with all the other nations and just come in and take over the territory, the oil, land? They are not doing this for nothing. ??? Pakistan said they would assist and also Ethiopia.

In Matthew 24, it outlines events that will be experience by "this generation", who will see all these things come to a head. A generation is 70 or 80 years if you are strong. 1948 + 80 = 2028 Doesn't have to be exact, our life spans are on an average and currently in the states it's about 76 years, but in Israel it's about 82 years. They are living more healthy than we are. Of course, we eat junk food and live liberal lifestyles and have a corrupt government, FDA, Big Pharma, who wants us depopulated.
What else is interesting is the scripture that states "blessed are thise who come to day 1335" ( during theGreat Tribulation), which if we started on Oct. 7, 2023, we would come to June 3, the eve of the 28th of Ivar, a holiday - Jerusalem Day, the Day in 1967, when Jerusalem was recaptured after the Six Day War.
It has been been debated when Jesus rise from the dead. Many scholars say 30 AD. That would mean he started his ministry in the fall of 26 AD. Add 2000 years to that and we are close to His return.

 

[Simonides]

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[ewq1938]

Brother Rob, you seem to have a clue about what is really going on. Have you considered the possibility that we are actually in the Little Season?

I see no evidence that the people calling themselves Israel have any connection to the true Israelites whatsoever. But rather, this entire charade was brought about by the introduction of dispensational heresies. And this great deception is being used by the Zios to usher in the reign of Satan himself.

Its my belief that they are using this twisted eschatology as a playbook to deceive the masses, and its working to near perfection.

What say you bro?

We cannot be in the little season because the Millennium hasn't happened yet. It is a time when Christ and his immortal saints rule the world and satan is imprisoned and cannot deceive ppl for the first time in human history. That is a new world, not the same old world that had always been.

 

[Simonides]

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[ewq1938]

Are you certain of that?

Yes. The world is changed, never to be the same once the Mill starts. History proves no such change/period of Godly rule happened. Rev 2- speaks pf beheaded saints coming to life and ruling. No resurrection of the dead saints has happened and they died in the trib for refusing the mark and worship of the image etc....those things haven't happened yet either.

 

[Simonides]

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[ewq1938]

I disagree, but I once believed just as you do. At the moment, I'm about 90% certain that most of the end time prophecies have been fulfilled, at least partially.

Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28

Did Christ mislead His disciples?

That isn't a second coming reference. He came to them when he resurrected.

But Jesus kept silent and the high priest said to Him, “I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God.” Jesus said to him, “You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.“” (Matthew 26: 63, 64)

Did Christ mislead the High Priest and the council?

The dead can see such events.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

All will see his second coming but no one has yet seen it because it would be pretty big news.

Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.” (Revelation 1:3)

“And he said to me, “These words are faithful and true”; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must soon take place. “And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book.” And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.“”… (Revelation 22:6,7,10,12,20)

Did Christ hold to some alternative definition of the words near, soon, or quickly?

Some things were soon, not all. John saw things such as 42 months, and a thousand years. Both were future timeframes. How exactly can a thousand years and the events that happen after it be "soon" to anyone? Rev 12 shows past events, so how can past events be events that are to happen soon?

Your understanding of Rev is incomplete, which is why you ask incorrect questions.

 

[Simonides]

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[ewq1938]

Im sorry, but I can't continue this discussion.

There's so much twisting of scripture required to be a Dispensationalist that untying all the knots is nearly impossible, and not worth the effort.

But I do thank you for your input.

Feel free to have the last word.

I'm not a dispensationalist.

You cannot address any of the points because they are true. You are merely misunderstanding the times Rev speaks of things happening "soon" because as I have proven not all things could possibly happen soon.

 

[Simonides]

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[Dan Clarkston]

No it wasn't.
The day of the Lord was not in 70 ad and the Lord didn't fight against the Romans.

Correct.

God's people today are those who belong to Christ. The church. Thinking that modern day Israel, most of whom reject Christ, are God's people is a huge mistake and is major deception brought about by satan. Only those who belong to Christ are God's people, as NT scripture repeatedly indicates.

No, Christians supporting Israel are not seeking to be in agreement with their modern day mystical religion that teaches them to not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

But those that actually know the Lord understand that He made promises to Abraham to bless his seed (the Jews are descendants of God's friend, Abraham) and as such the Lord longs for them to be saved and the Lord foretold that in the last days He would bring the nation of Israel back in to existence which is where Jesus is going to land when He returns here to Club Earth

Romans 11:18-22
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Are you aware that there is more than one Israel?

There is not.

There is Israel and then there is the Body of Christ.

They are the natural branches... the gentiles have been grafted in.

Same tree, but two different peoples

This is all future.
About 4 years from now.

Right when Trump leaves office eh?

I wouldn't be too surprised at all if some major event happens during his term... and I'll be even more surprised if he isn't whacked during his term by some crazy baby killin liberal communist progressive pervert

 

[ewq1938]

I appreciate your opinion. But whether or not you define yourself as a dispensationalist, you are pushing dispensational eschatology.

I would be happy to address each of your points above, if I thought for one moment it would be productive to do so. It would not.

I apologize for calling you a dispensationalist.

A dispy believes in a pre-trib rapture. I am post-trib.

Christ was very direct in His teaching. He said what He meant and He meant what He said. I showed you what He said, and you are insisting that He meant something else.

I honestly don't know how to proceed from here on out. When a person starts telling me that Christ meant something other than what He was plainly saying, that's my clue to move on.

Just take time everyday to think upon the idea of events happening after a thousand years cannot be events happening "soon".

 

[Dan Clarkston]

A dispy believes in a pre-trib rapture. I am post-trib.

Ya'll both wrong.... it's mid-trib sometime after the man of sin is revealed to the world but before the anti-christ turns on his wrath against mankind leading to the Lord unkorking His wrath against the anti-christ and all those following that communist liberal baby killin pervert nutjob (sounds like the anti-christ is a liberal!)


2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

*The phrase ”Gathering together”
Strongs 1997 = from 1996; a complete collection; especially a Christian meeting (for worship): -- assembling (gathering) together.
Strongs 1996 = from 1909 and 4863; to collect upon the same place: KJV -- gather (together).

*The phrase ”Falling Away”
Strongs 646 = feminine of the same as 647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"): KJV -- falling away, forsake.
Strongs 647 = neuter of a (presumed) adjective from a derivative of 868; properly, something separative, i.e. (specially) divorce: KJV -- (writing of) divorcement.
Strongs 868 = from 575 and 2476; to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.: KJV -- depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.

*Same word is translated “forsake” in Acts 21:21 - so this is what the word means: many will forsake the Lord (speaking of those that were Christians but fall away)

Definitions point to the rapture not happening until many who claim to be Christians fall away from the faith, and the anti-christ is revealed

This would mean the traditional pre-trib rapture view could not be correct where Christians are taken out before the anti-christ is revealed, but instead Christians will be here leading up to the start of the anti-christ coming to power

Some claim the word translated “falling away” really means rapture… if that were true, then 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 would say the rapture won't happen until the rapture happens and the anti-christ be revealed which it does NOT say.

 

[ewq1938]

Ya'll both wrong.... it's mid-trib sometime after the man of sin is revealed to the world but before the anti-christ turns on his wrath against mankind

The bible doesn't speak of a mid-trib event. The rapture is placed immediately after the trib is over.

 

[tailgator]

Correct.





No, Christians supporting Israel are not seeking to be in agreement with their modern day mystical religion that teaches them to not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

But those that actually know the Lord understand that He made promises to Abraham to bless his seed (the Jews are descendants of God's friend, Abraham) and as such the Lord longs for them to be saved and the Lord foretold that in the last days He would bring the nation of Israel back in to existence which is where Jesus is going to land when He returns here to Club Earth

Romans 11:18-22
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.





There is not.

There is Israel and then there is the Body of Christ.

They are the natural branches... the gentiles have been grafted in.

Same tree, but two different peoples




Right when Trump leaves office eh?

I wouldn't be too surprised at all if some major event happens during his term... and I'll be even more surprised if he isn't whacked during his term by some crazy baby killin liberal communist progressive pervert

About the time Trump finishes building a big beautiful embassy in Jerusalem.

Daniel 11:45
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.