the Great Tribulation

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In God's eyes, Israel as nation ENDED in 70 AD, however the people of Israel are now subject to the conditions of John 3:18.
If they don't, then each one who refuses to come to God through faith in Christ, is subject to the results of Rom. 8:9, because under the NC., there is no difference between a Jew and a Gentile.
Therefore, all Jews who have faith in Jesus, ever since Pentecost, will be of "the Great Multitude".

Mat. 27
[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
[52] And the graves were opened; and MANY bodies of the saints which slept arose,
[53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Spiritually, you are correct. There are many that have been asleep in the dust of their living flesh, that do awaken when Jesus calls to them, but only few are chosen, because of their sincerety of heart and faith in following Jesus. ALL others are either lukewarm (indecisive), or have rejected His calling altogether. Rev. 3:15-20.

Yes, which applies to this present Age of God's Grace in regards to having faith in Jesus, who HAS come, being made manifest in the flesh.

However, under the altar of the OC., all who were of faith and had died, were "remembered" by God. Malachi 3:16-17
They are seen in Rev. 6:9-11 each receiving the Promise of Eternal life (white robes), because "the Holy Ghost had NOT YET been GIVEN" permanently to anyone who lived under the OC., because Jesus had not yet been glorified (resurrected).

There was no kingdom called Israel in 70 ad.
There was a kingdom called Judea and it's king was Herod.

The kingdom of Israel which belongs to the son of God (Israel) has not been founded yet .
The kingdom of Israel is founded when Israel,the Son of God returns and its citizens are children of God.

Exodus 4:22
Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,




The country in the land of Israel today is not biblical Israel.It is the beast.The few people in that kingdom who belong to Christ are Israel.A name given to someone who overcomes.

 

[tailgator]

In God's eyes, Israel as nation ENDED in 70 AD, however the people of Israel are now subject to the conditions of John 3:18.
If they don't, then each one who refuses to come to God through faith in Christ, is subject to the results of Rom. 8:9, because under the NC., there is no difference between a Jew and a Gentile.
Therefore, all Jews who have faith in Jesus, ever since Pentecost, will be of "the Great Multitude".

Mat. 27
[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
[52] And the graves were opened; and MANY bodies of the saints which slept arose,
[53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Spiritually, you are correct. There are many that have been asleep in the dust of their living flesh, that do awaken when Jesus calls to them, but only few are chosen, because of their sincerety of heart and faith in following Jesus. ALL others are either lukewarm (indecisive), or have rejected His calling altogether. Rev. 3:15-20.

Yes, which applies to this present Age of God's Grace in regards to having faith in Jesus, who HAS come, being made manifest in the flesh.

However, under the altar of the OC., all who were of faith and had died, were "remembered" by God. Malachi 3:16-17
They are seen in Rev. 6:9-11 each receiving the Promise of Eternal life (white robes), because "the Holy Ghost had NOT YET been GIVEN" permanently to anyone who lived under the OC., because Jesus had not yet been glorified (resurrected).

PS
This is Israel being resurected out of the dust of the earth when Christ comes.
They are the people of Israel.

Daniel 12:1-2
At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.




According to scripture,where does the whole house of Israel dwell after they are risen from their graves?

 

[Earburner]

PS
This is Israel being resurected out of the dust of the earth when Christ comes.
They are the people of Israel.

Daniel 12:1-2
At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.




According to scripture,where does the whole house of Israel dwell after they are risen from their graves?

The symbolic number of the 144,000, were out of the 12 Tribes of OC Israel, and is a PAST event. All of that of the 144k took place upon the time of Jesus' death and resurrection. We can see them in Rev. 6:9-11.

Therefore, ever since the day of Pentecost, all Jews must now come to God through faith in Jesus. If they don't, then they are as equally lost as any Gentile who refuses to believe in Jesus!
However, for all Jews and Gentiles, that do come to God through faith in Jesus, they will be of "the Great Multitude"

 

[tailgator]

The symbolic number of the 144,000, were out of the 12 Tribes of OC Israel, and is a PAST event. All of that of the 144k took place upon the time of Jesus' death and resurrection. We can see them in Rev. 6:9-11.

Therefore, ever since the day of Pentecost, all Jews must now come to God through faith in Jesus. If they don't, then they are as equally lost as any Gentile who refuses to believe in Jesus!
However, for all Jews and Gentiles, that do come to God through faith in Jesus, they will be of "the Great Multitude"

No,that is false.
The stars of heaven never fell untill the earth and the heavens did not depart like a scroll being rolled together.
These things take place at Jesus second advent.Not his death .

Revelation 6
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Earburner]

According to scripture,where does the whole house of Israel dwell after they are risen from their graves?

Heavenly Jerusalem, aka paradise.

 

[tailgator]

Heavenly Jerusalem, aka paradise.

False again.

After Israel is brought up out of their graves,they live in the land of Israel and Messiah reigns over them forever .
If Christ had already raised Israel from their graves as he said he would do on the last day,then the whole house of Israel including all the prophets would be dwelling in the land of Israel today.
The reason they are not is because they have not been resurected yet


Ezekiel 37

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.


Ezekiel 37

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

 

[Earburner]

False again.

After Israel is brought up out of their graves,they live in the land of Israel and Messiah reigns over them forever .
If Christ had already raised Israel from their graves as he said he would do on the last day,then the whole house of Israel including all the prophets would be dwelling in the land of Israel today.
The reason they are not is because they have not been resurected yet


Ezekiel 37

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.


Ezekiel 37

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

If you only knew the depth of the Lord's thinking, about the "land", through God's "thoughts and ways" (Isa. 55:8-9), you would run from the fantasy of "the wisdom of men" that church-ianity has impressed upon you.
2 Cor. 4
[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
[7] But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

 

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If you only knew the depth of the Lord's thinking, about the "land", through God's "thoughts and ways" (Isa. 55:8-9), you would run from the fantasy of "the wisdom of men" that church-ianity has impressed upon you.
2 Cor. 4
[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
[7] But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

I know God's word and just quoted it for you.
Your problem.is you dont believe God.

Your nothing like Abraham.Abraham believed God.


An everlasting possession.

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


Here is Israel receiving the land in scripture once again.
It takes place after the beast is destroyed.


Daniel 7
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.



God keeps his promises.

 

[Earburner]

I know God's word and just quoted it for you.
Your problem.is you dont believe God.

Your nothing like Abraham.Abraham believed God.


An everlasting possession.

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


Here is Israel receiving the land in scripture once again.
It takes place after the beast is destroyed.


Daniel 7
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.



God keeps his promises.

Well that's nice. I am glad that can read the literal words, as do I and many others.
But, according to Isa. 55:8-9, God doesn't mean His thoughts and His ways, in the way that our human minds think, or in the ways of our going.
Right now, Jesus in His Immortal earthly flesh, who at will can also dwell in the Eternity of His Eternal Holy Spirit, is not dwelling ON a New earth, but rather He is dwelling IN a NEW Earth of New creatures.
Can you say where that is?
Maybe this will help:
Rom. 8:8-9
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken [make alive unto God] your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

 

[tailgator]

Well that's nice. I am glad that can read the literal words, as do I and many others.
But, according to Isa. 55:8-9, God doesn't mean His thoughts and His ways, in the way our human minds think, in the way of our going.
Right now, Jesus in His Immortal earthly flesh, who at will can also dwell in the Eternity of His Eternal Holy Spirit, is not dwelling ON a New earth, but rather He is dwelling IN a NEW Earth of New creatures.
Can you say where that us?
Maybe this will help:
Rom. 8:8-9
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken [make alive unto God] your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

As I quoted.Whrn Israel is raised out of their graves.They live in the land of Israel.

Not on a cloud.
Not on Mars.
Not in outer space.

They live in the land of Israel .
Here in revelation 20,Israel is living in the land of Israel 1000 years after Israel is resurected from the dead.
Fire comes down from.heaven and destroys their enemies.


Revelation 20
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.



This is a promise God made to the children of Israel thousands of years ago.Like I said.God keeps his promises.

 

[Earburner]

As I quoted.Whrn Israel is raised out of their graves.They live in the land of Israel.

Not on a cloud.
Not on Mars.
Not in outer space.

They live in the land of Israel .
Here in revelation 20,Israel is living in the land of Israel 1000 years after Israel is resurected from the dead.
Fire comes down from.heaven and destroys their enemies.


Revelation 20
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.



This is a promise God made to the children of Israel thousands of years ago.Like I said.God keeps his promises.

Today, the ONLY HOPE that the Jews have, ever since Pentecost, is to believe in Jesus. Apart from faith in Him, they ARE LOST to God FOREVER.

However, all Jews who lived and died "under the altar" of the Old Covenant, in faith of the "Promise that was to come", were "remembered" by God (Malachi 3:16-17), and did receive the Promise of Eternal Life (white robes), as shown in Rev. 6:9-11. They are indeed the figurative/symbolic 144,000.

 

[Earburner]

As I quoted.Whrn Israel is raised out of their graves.They live in the land of Israel.

Not on a cloud.
Not on Mars.
Not in outer space.

They live in the land of Israel .
Here in revelation 20,Israel is living in the land of Israel 1000 years after Israel is resurected from the dead.
Fire comes down from.heaven and destroys their enemies.


Revelation 20
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.



This is a promise God made to the children of Israel thousands of years ago.Like I said.God keeps his promises.

You are going to have to explain what YOU mean by who it is that you are saying is of Israel. Are you talking about those who were/are under the OC. or those who ARE since Pentecost under the NC.?
If they who ARE Jews, are under the NC, how did they get there without having faith in Jesus?

 

[tailgator]

Today, the ONLY HOPE that the Jews have, ever since Pentecost, is to believe in Jesus. Apart from faith in Him, they ARE LOST to God FOREVER.

However, all Jews who lived and died "under the altar" of the Old Covenant, in faith of the "Promise that was to come", were "remembered" by God (Malachi 3:16-17), and did receive the Promise of Eternal Life (white robes), as shown in Rev. 6:9-11. They are indeed the figurative/symbolic 144,000.

All Jews who died before Christ was raised are still dead.They remain buried in their graves untill Christ comes and raises them from the dead at his second advent.

Jesus is the only one that has ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God.Im.not sure why you believe all Jews sit at the right hand of God when scripture plainly says the only one who has ascended to heaven is he that came from heaven.

I also posted several different scripture showing Israel living in the land of Israel after Israel is raised from the dead.
The resurection of the Jews had not happened yet.

You sprout profane and vain babblings. The he redirection is not ast as you claim.

2 Timothy 2
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

 

[tailgator]

You are going to have to explain what YOU mean by who it is that you are saying is of Israel. Are you talking about those who were/are under the OC. or those who ARE since Pentecost under the NC.?
If they who ARE Jews, are under the NC, how did they get there without having faith in Jesus?

You the only one saying they didn't have faith in Jesus.You say Abraham didn't have faith in Jesus while Jesus says otherwise.


John 8
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

[tailgator]

You are going to have to explain what YOU mean by who it is that you are saying is of Israel. Are you talking about those who were/are under the OC. or those who ARE since Pentecost under the NC.?
If they who ARE Jews, are under the NC, how did they get there without having faith in Jesus?

David had faith and he is still in his tomb today.
Your going to have to explain why you think David has ascended into heaven when scripture says he has not.Jesus is the only one who has ascended into heaven.


Acts 2

29 “Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. 32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,

“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
35 until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”’[f]

 

[tailgator]

You are going to have to explain what YOU mean by who it is that you are saying is of Israel. Are you talking about those who were/are under the OC. or those who ARE since Pentecost under the NC.?
If they who ARE Jews, are under the NC, how did they get there without having faith in Jesus?

Again.
Scripture plainly says the prophets are raised at the sound of the last trump.You are the one saying scripture is wrong.

Revelation 11
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


The prophets are rewarded the same time as the saints.God is not a respector of persons.

 

[Earburner]

All Jews who died before Christ was raised are still dead.They remain buried in their graves untill Christ comes and raises them from the dead at his second advent.

Wrong! Not all Jews who lived under the OC are in their graves, but rather were resurrected soon after Jesus was resurrected.
Mat. 27
[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
[52] And the graves were opened; and MANY [the figurative 144,000] bodies of the [OC.] saints which slept arose,
[53] And came out of the graves AFTER his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
> Surely you didn't foolishly think that the "many" was only 10, 12, 100 or 1000 OC. saints? Or that their literal resurrections into New Eternal Life were only close by??
No!! They were coming from where their graves were, and are the figurative 144, 000, as shown in Rev. 6:9-11, who were "remembered" by God (Malachi 3:16-17), who had died in faith WAITING for "the Promise to come", Who did come!!

Please recall that the Holy Spirit of God, "HAD NOT YET been GIVEN"** to anyone who lived and died in faith, "under the altar" of the OC., but now, ever since Jesus death and resurrection, they are with Jesus in Paradise, as is the repentant thief on the cross!!
**John 7
[39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) aka resurrected.

Jesus is the only one that has ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God.Im.not sure why you believe all Jews sit at the right hand of God when scripture plainly says the only one who has ascended to heaven is he that came from heaven.

The symbolic and figurative 144,000 are in heaven, but are asleep resting in Jesus (Rev. 6:9-11), until He awakens them, and brings them with Him, upon His Glorious return. You know the scripture: 1 Thes. 4
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

I also posted several different scripture showing Israel living in the land of Israel after Israel is raised from the dead.
The resurection of the Jews had not happened yet.

Under the NC., there is no difference between Jew or Gentile in God's eyes, but rather that each are become a NEW creature (creation) by being "born again" of God's Holy Spirit, through faith in Christ. If NOT, then they are "NONE of his".

You sprout profane and vain babblings. The he redirection is not ast as you claim.

2 Timothy 2
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

I am no false teacher, but rather it is "church-ianity" that is doing the false teaching by "the wisdom of men" (1 Cor. 2:5), through all their denominational Bible colleges of biblical professors, teaching from their pet Theologians, with their human theories about God.
Luke 12
[1] In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven [religious teachings] of the Pharisees [denominational Religion], which is hypocrisy.

 

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Wrong! Not all Jews who lived under the OC are in their graves, but rather were resurrected soon after Jesus was resurrected.
Mat. 27
[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
[52] And the graves were opened; and MANY [the figurative 144,000] bodies of the [OC.] saints which slept arose,
[53] And came out of the graves AFTER his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
> Surely you didn't foolishly think that the "many" was only 10, 12, 100 or 1000 OC. saints? Or that their literal resurrections into New Eternal Life were only close by??
No!! They were coming from where their graves were, and are the figurative 144, 000, as shown in Rev. 6:9-11, who were "remembered" by God (Malachi 3:16-17), who had died in faith WAITING for "the Promise to come", Who did come!!

Please recall that the Holy Spirit of God, "HAD NOT YET been GIVEN"** to anyone who lived and died in faith, "under the altar" of the OC., but now, ever since Jesus death and resurrection, they are with Jesus in Paradise, as is the repentant thief on the cross!!
**John 7
[39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) aka resurrected.

The symbolic and figurative 144,000 are in heaven, but are asleep resting in Jesus (Rev. 6:9-11), until He awakens them, and brings them with Him, upon His Glorious return. You know the scripture: 1 Thes. 4
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Under the NC., there is no difference between Jew or Gentile in God's eyes, but rather that each are become a NEW creature (creation) by being "born again" of God's Holy Spirit, through faith in Christ. If NOT, then they are "NONE of his".

I am no false teacher, but rather it is "church-ianity" that is doing the false teaching by "the wisdom of men" (1 Cor. 2:5), through all their denominational Bible colleges of biblical professors, teaching from their pet Theologians, with their human theories about God.
Luke 12
[1] In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven [religious teachings] of the Pharisees [denominational Religion], which is hypocrisy.

Wrong.

The prophets had spoken by the holy Ghost which was in them.

Mark 12:36
36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.


Now you say David has been resurected and has ascended into heaven where scripture says he has not.
Scripture says Christ has ascended to heaven.Show me where scripture says david or any other prophet has ascended into heaven.Quote the man who saw them ascend into heaven.


Acts 2

29 “Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. 32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,

“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
35 until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”’[f]


Show us the witnessss who saw the jews ascend into heaven as you claim they did.

 

[tailgator]

Wrong! Not all Jews who lived under the OC are in their graves, but rather were resurrected soon after Jesus was resurrected.
Mat. 27
[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
[52] And the graves were opened; and MANY [the figurative 144,000] bodies of the [OC.] saints which slept arose,
[53] And came out of the graves AFTER his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
> Surely you didn't foolishly think that the "many" was only 10, 12, 100 or 1000 OC. saints? Or that their literal resurrections into New Eternal Life were only close by??
No!! They were coming from where their graves were, and are the figurative 144, 000, as shown in Rev. 6:9-11, who were "remembered" by God (Malachi 3:16-17), who had died in faith WAITING for "the Promise to come", Who did come!!

Please recall that the Holy Spirit of God, "HAD NOT YET been GIVEN"** to anyone who lived and died in faith, "under the altar" of the OC., but now, ever since Jesus death and resurrection, they are with Jesus in Paradise, as is the repentant thief on the cross!!
**John 7
[39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) aka resurrected.

The symbolic and figurative 144,000 are in heaven, but are asleep resting in Jesus (Rev. 6:9-11), until He awakens them, and brings them with Him, upon His Glorious return. You know the scripture: 1 Thes. 4
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Under the NC., there is no difference between Jew or Gentile in God's eyes, but rather that each are become a NEW creature (creation) by being "born again" of God's Holy Spirit, through faith in Christ. If NOT, then they are "NONE of his".

I am no false teacher, but rather it is "church-ianity" that is doing the false teaching by "the wisdom of men" (1 Cor. 2:5), through all their denominational Bible colleges of biblical professors, teaching from their pet Theologians, with their human theories about God.
Luke 12
[1] In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven [religious teachings] of the Pharisees [denominational Religion], which is hypocrisy.

It's very simple.
Quote the verse where someone saw all Jews ascend into heaven with Christ.

Acts 1
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

 

[Earburner]

David had faith and he is still in his tomb today.
Your going to have to explain why you think David has ascended into heaven when scripture says he has not.Jesus is the only one who has ascended into heaven.


Acts 2

29 “Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. 32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,

“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
35 until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”’[f]

1. The bodily resurrection of the martyrs, who are of the figurative 144,000 under the OC., after Jesus' mortal death, while on the cross. Please see KJV Mat. 27:50-54.
2. The figurative 144,000 remaining, of the OC., permanently receive the "seal" of the HS after Jesus' death and resurrection. Please see Rev. 6:9-11.
3. Both Jew and Gentile, of faith in Jesus since Pentecost, are of the Great Multitude under the NC. See Rom. 10-12.

Of course David didn't bodily ascend to heaven yet, he wasn't a martyr out of the "many" that were bodily resurrected right after Jesus death on the cross. Surely you don't believe that the many who were bodily resurrected then died a 2nd mortal death, do you??

David is of the figurative 144,000, who are "remembered" by God, "under the altar" of the OC. Therefore David, having received a "white robe", is in Paradise, along with the repentant thief, and is asleep resting in Jesus, waiting for Jesus' return.

Again, the "many" (not all), that were bodily resurrected by the Holy Spirit after Jesus death, are only those who were martyred of the 144,000 under the OC.

However, since Jesus' death and resurrection, ALL who were of faith in Israel, who weren't martyred, including David, are of those that God remembered, being the figurative 144,000 out of the 12 tribes of OC Israel.
After Jesus suffered mortal death and gave up the ghost, He went by His Holy Spirit and visited those who had died naturally under the OC., whom God had "remembered". Malachi 3:16-17; 1 Peter 3:18-20.
They each were then given a "white robe" [sealed], which is symbolic of the permanent Gift of the Holy Spirit of God (Rev. 6:9-11), but were told that they must rest yet awhile longer, until their fellow servants and their brethren should be killed as they were, being those who are under the NC.

When Jesus returns in all his Glory, in flaming fire, God shall bring with Him all who sleep in Jesus, being those who had died in faith of His coming in the flesh, both those of the OC and the NC.
1 Thes. 4:14.