The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

[WPM]

Lol
You just affirmed half are ready. Half are not

Just pretend 50% is not half

We can just say half to help you out.

I was talking about the actual illustration, and you know it. That is what parables are. You do not seem to get that. That is why you avoid my follow up questions. They expose your reasoning.

 

[WPM]

Yes.more that 50% miss heaven

You are getting so close!!!!

Yes indeed.
Pssst...so the half taken are not your" saved vs unsaved" assumption you just now stumbled on

Your fight is with our Lord. He said "few" make it. You say 50 %. I choose His Word over your Left Behind novels. You cannot even exegete a text. This seems to be a Pretrib trait here. If you did you would quickly become Posttrib. You cannot even see what they are left too. That is because it would demolish your error. They are destroyed, as in Lot and Noah's day. You reward the wicked. God judges them.

 

[WPM]

Yes all not in the ark die.

So let's see if we can transpose that into your doctrine.
You guys claim boldly that all die in the flood the same day Noah entered the ark

So all die ( Every person on thr planet) immediately, at the start of the trib.
Now that is your poorly thought out claim????

Yet another postrib poorly thought out talking point.
But remember, we must ignore the fact that before the flood, half of some group are taken, and Jesus commands us to watch and be ready.
Ahem
Before the flood as he declares is the timing of his coming.

• Does Jesus have 5 or 10 brides in your estimation?
• Do you have to be a female virgin to make the rapture?
• Do you have to have a literal lamp burning with oil at the actual moment Jesus comes to perform your Pretrib rapture?

 

[The Light]

We have already refuted these false claims several times.

Making some nonsense comment refutes nothing.

Your teachers have taught you wrong.

Right. I understand that there are two raptures. Please pick a teacher for me if you can find one. Who do you think is my teacher?

You are not fighting with Posttribbers, you are fighting with Scripture

LOL. I am a posttribber. You are a post wrather............And don't even understand that.

. Once again you do not provide one single quote to support your claim. That is becoming a pattern with you, and one that is typical of engaging with Pretribbers.

Here is a scripture I posted. You must have missed as always.

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

The pattern with you is doesn't matter how many scriptures are posted, you will claim that none are posted, just like you did here.

Same nonsense. Different day.

Genesis doesn't say he entered the ark 6 or 7 days prior. It shows he received the instruction then. Let us analyze this.

Genesis 7:4-19

1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

This is (not surprisingly) in agreement with the words of Christ. The focus is the day the flood came. That is the saleint day in view here. According to this, "the selfsame day" Noah entered the ark was expressly "after seven days." It was then "that the waters of the flood were upon the earth."

Gen 7
1 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

First thing God tells Noah is to enter the ark. Did Noah disobey God?
Gen 7
5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.

Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”

Jesus words support my position and forbid your doctrine.

Yeah right. Except we know that Noah was shut in the ark 6 days before the flood, and that is when they stopped eating and drinking and marrying and giving in marriage.

But the very day Lot left Sodom destruction came.

They show what that "self-same day" was - "

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

It shows that Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark in 1 DAY, the self-same day. And that was day 1, the day he was told to enter the ark

The actual day that Noah entered into the ark "the flood came, and took them all away."

Not possible. Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark in 1 DAY, the self-same day. And that was day 1, the day he was told to enter the ark. Noah was shut in on Day 1 and 6 days later the flood came.

It was therefore an individual day that God closed the door of the Ark and by doing so damned all those that were left behind. The same will occur when our ark – Christ – arrives at the second coming.

The door will be shut for the foolish virgins. They are not doing what the Lord told the Church to do which is WATCH and be ready.

 

[WPM]

Making some nonsense comment refutes nothing.


Right. I understand that there are two raptures. Please pick a teacher for me if you can find one. Who do you think is my teacher?




LOL. I am a posttribber. You are a post wrather............And don't even understand that.


Here is a scripture I posted. You must have missed as always.

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

The pattern with you is doesn't matter how many scriptures are posted, you will claim that none are posted, just like you did here.

Same nonsense. Different day.


Gen 7
1 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

First thing God tells Noah is to enter the ark. Did Noah disobey God?
Gen 7
5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.


Yeah right. Except we know that Noah was shut in the ark 6 days before the flood, and that is when they stopped eating and drinking and marrying and giving in marriage.

But the very day Lot left Sodom destruction came.


Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

It shows that Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark in 1 DAY, the self-same day. And that was day 1, the day he was told to enter the ark


Not possible. Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark in 1 DAY, the self-same day. And that was day 1, the day he was told to enter the ark. Noah was shut in on Day 1 and 6 days later the flood came.


The door will be shut for the foolish virgins. They are not doing what the Lord told the Church to do which is WATCH and be ready.

You sidestepped every bit of biblical evidence that was presented to you and replaced it with private interpretation. That sums up Pretrib.

Read what it says, not what you have been taught:

Genesis 7:11-13: "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark."

On the very day the fountains of the deep broke forth, Noah and his family entered into the ark. That is a clear fact. That is what the text says. The flood immediately followed Noah's entry into the ark.

Not only are you foisting something upon the text in Genesis that it does not say, you refuse to acknowledge the words of Jesus Christ on this matter that reinforce what happened. Do you realize that the NT is the fuller revelation? Do you not see that Christ had a full knowledge of what occurred? You have been stepping around His words throughout the course of this thread.

What is more, what has 7 days in Noah's day to do with 7 years in your so-called future tribulation? Do you think Noah's world went through a 7-day great tribulation before the flood came?

Whatever angle you look at it, your reasoning doesn't add up here. You're going to have to come clean. You're going to have to put your cards on the table. What are you trying to say? Why will you not address the explicit and irrefutable words of Jesus on this subject.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So, before the flood, who are the 50% taken?

Noah and his family.

Define the group of people that half are taken

They are true believers who are saved like Noah and his family and like Lot and his daughters. They were taken away from God's wrath on the same day that God's wrath came. It will be like that when Jesus comes and the rapture occurs. We will be taken up to meet the Lord in the air and He will then take vengeance on all of His enemies which will be in the form of "sudden destruction" by fire from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 4:14-5:9, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:3-13).

Define your assumption in eschatology where ALL, EVERY PERSON are killed in the flood and sodom ( leaven no living soul), but BEFORE both Judgements God removed a select few.

Where did I say that the flood killed literally every person or that the fire in Sodom killed literally every resident of Sodom? Nowhere. So, what is the name of the straw man you're talking to here? My point is that everyone except for God's people who were taken away from His wrath were killed and that's how it will be when Jesus comes back to take us to Himself as well.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Right. I understand that there are two raptures. Please pick a teacher for me if you can find one. Who do you think is my teacher?

LOL. I am a posttribber. You are a post wrather............And don't even understand that.

Don't you believe in 5 raptures? You are a pre-tribber, a pre-pre-tribber, a post-tribber and who knows what else. Your beliefs are so convoluted that your doctrine just can't be taken seriously.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Lol
You just affirmed half are ready. Half are not

Just pretend 50% is not half

We can just say half to help you out.

Look at this nonsense. If you only knew how unconvincing your arguments are. You've been shown from what Jesus said in Luke 17:26-37 what happens to those who are left. They are killed. But, you continue to try to twist scripture and come up with some way that they will survive.

 

[The Light]

Don't you believe in 5 raptures? You are a pre-tribber, a pre-pre-tribber, a post-tribber and who knows what else. Your beliefs are so convoluted that your doctrine just can't be taken seriously.

So you don't believe that the two witnesses will be raptured?

Revelation 11
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

You don't believe the 144,000 will be raptured and be first fruits?

Revelation 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

You haven't even figured out you are post wrath.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You sidestepped every bit of biblical evidence that was presented to you and replaced it with private interpretation. That sums up Pretrib.

Read what it says, not what you have been taught:

Genesis 7:11-13: "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark."

On the very day the fountains of the deep broke forth, Noah and his family entered into the ark. That is a clear fact. That is what the text says. The flood immediately followed Noah's entry into the ark.

Not only are you foisting something upon the text in Genesis that it does not say, you refuse to acknowledge the words of Jesus Christ on this matter that reinforce what happened. Do you realize that the NT is the fuller revelation? Do you not see that Christ had a full knowledge of what occurred? You have been stepping around His words throughout the course of this thread.

What is more, what has 7 days in Noah's day to do with 7 years in your so-called future tribulation? Do you think Noah's world went through a 7-day great tribulation before the flood came?

Whatever angle you look at it, your reasoning doesn't add up here. You're going to have to come clean. You're going to have to put your cards on the table. What are you trying to say? Why will you not address the explicit and irrefutable words of Jesus on this subject.

Genesis 7:11-13 couldn't be more clear, but he has to cut that passage out of his Bible. Just like Luke 17:26-37 which very clearly teaches that those who are not taken and are left are all killed. He denies that clear teaching as well, forcing Him to remove the passage from His Bible. And he would have to remove many more passages from his Bible in order to keep his doctrine afloat. I trust that any objective person following along can see how ridiculous his doctrine is and feels sorry for him that he would believe such nonsense.

 

[WPM]

So you don't believe that the two witnesses will be raptured?

Revelation 11
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

You don't believe the 144,000 will be raptured and be first fruits?

Revelation 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

You haven't even figured out you are post wrath.

The 144,000 are killed. They ascend to heaven on death. Hello! You do not seem to see the dead in Christ rising to heaven upon death in your theology.

 

[WPM]

Genesis 7:11-13 couldn't be more clear, but he has to cut that passage out of his Bible. Just like Luke 17:26-37 which very clearly teaches that those who are not taken and are left are all killed. He denies that clear teaching as well, forcing Him to remove the passage from His Bible. And he would have to remove many more passages from his Bible in order to keep his doctrine afloat. I trust that any objective person following along can see how ridiculous his doctrine is and feels sorry for him that he would believe such nonsense.

He makes Jesus a liar.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Who thinks that? No one here does.

Well,we know who's posts you ignore.

 

[WPM]

Well,we know who's posts you ignore.

Whose?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you don't believe that the two witnesses will be raptured?

I love questions like this which basically questions whether I believe scripture or not. Good grief, man. What is wrong with you? Of course I believe that. I just happen to have a different understanding of the identity of the two witnesses than you do. The two witnesses are described symbolically as "two olive trees" and that reminds me of Paul's description of a wild olive tree being grafted into the cultivated olive tree which represented Gentile believers being joined with Israelite believers as one body of Christ. So, I believe the two witnesses symbolically represent the church.

You don't believe the 144,000 will be raptured and be first fruits?

In terms of being bodily raised from the dead unto bodily immortality, Jesus Himself is the firstfruits (1 Cor 15:20).

If the 144,000 are meant to represent only firstfruit believers from Israel then they are already firstfruits, according to James:

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations: Greetings......18 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.

Nowhere does it say that the 144,000 have already been raptured. That contradicts what Paul taught here:

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Scripture says Christ Himself is the firstfruits in the context of being the first to rise from the dead unto bodily immortality. Poster "The Light" contradicts scripture by saying the 144,000 are the firstfruits unto bodily immortality. And he contradicts Paul saying that next in order after Christ to be bodily resurrected unto immortality are "they that are Christ's at his coming" by saying the 144,000 (or is it the 24 elders?) were next in order to be resurrected unto bodily immortality. Paul clearly did not teach what you believe. At all.

Revelation 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Do you not believe that the souls of the firstfruits of the 12 twelves of Israel that James wrote to are in heaven now? What basis is there for thinking they have been changed and have immortal bodies yet when scripture says that the dead in Christ will all be resurrected and changed at the same time (1 Cor 15:22-23;50-54, 1 Thess 4:14-17)?

You haven't even figured out you are post wrath.

What wrath exactly do you believe happens before the rapture from my perspective of when the rapture occurs? I certainly don't believe the rapture occurs before 1 Thess 5:2-3 occurs. I believe 1 Thess 5:2-3 happens right after 1 Thess 4:14-17 happens. And I don't believe Rev 14:17-20 occurs before Rev 14:14-16 occurs, either. So, what are you talking about exactly here?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well,we know who's posts you ignore.

Name one person here who believes that any believers will experience God's wrath directly upon them?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your fight is with our Lord. He said "few" make it. You say 50 %. I choose His Word over your Left Behind novels. You cannot even exegete a text. This seems to be a Pretrib trait here. If you did you would quickly become Posttrib. You cannot even see what they are left too. That is because it would demolish your error. They are destroyed, as in Lot and Noah's day. You reward the wicked. God judges them.

Does he think we can't see how afraid he is to even attempt to exegete scripture? He knows he can't do it without exposing his false doctrine. I don't know who these people think they are fooling, but they aren't fooling anyone who approaches scripture objectively, that's for sure. That those who are left behind are all killed is made abundantly clear in Luke 17:26-37 and he still denies that. That proves that he believes what he wants to believe regardless of how much scripture contradicts his beliefs.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You left out...SMH... that before the flood half of some group are taken and JESUS commands to watch and be ready Pre-Flood/ trib..
Ahem...
...FOR HIS COMING
So the "7 day/ 6 day" thingy supports nothing in particular, but you think you promoted something.
Nope
Nothing to see.
Strained a gnat
Swallowed a camel.
JESUS promotes pretrib rapture vividly.

Blahblahblahblahblah....see, I proved you wrong. Irrefutable.

Are you just incapable of making a coherent argument? Is that why we don't see you even attempt to do so?

 

[The Light]

You sidestepped every bit of biblical evidence that was presented to you and replaced it with private interpretation. That sums up Pretrib.

No. I posted verses that proved your contention was incorrect.

Read what it says, not what you have been taught:

I am reading what the word says.........not what you have been taught.

Genesis 7:11-13: "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark."

Nice. So you want to jam that all together without recognizing that there is new paragraph. Let me help you.

And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Genesis 7
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

Noah was 600 years old plus 2 months plus 17 days when the flood came on the earth.

NEW PARAGRAPH.
¶
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark on the self same day. That means they entered in one day. The very day they were told to enter.

On the very day the fountains of the deep broke forth, Noah and his family entered into the ark. That is a clear fact. That is what the text says. The flood immediately followed Noah's entry into the ark.

Not a chance. The fountains of the deep broke open when Noah was 600 years old plus 2 months plus 17 days.

Not only are you foisting something upon the text in Genesis that it does not say, you refuse to acknowledge the words of Jesus Christ on this matter that reinforce what happened. Do you realize that the NT is the fuller revelation? Do you not see that Christ had a full knowledge of what occurred? You have been stepping around His words throughout the course of this thread.

Read what the Word says.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

What is more, what has 7 days in Noah's day to do with 7 years in your so-called future tribulation? Do you think Noah's world went through a 7-day great tribulation before the flood came?

I think the Church will be in heaven 6 days before the wrath of God and God will turn His attention to the 12 tribes across the earth. The fullness of the Gentiles must come in before part of Israel has its blindness removed. Don't be ignorant of this.

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Whatever angle you look at it, your reasoning doesn't add up here. You're going to have to come clean. You're going to have to put your cards on the table. What are you trying to say? Why will you not address the explicit and irrefutable words of Jesus on this subject.

Read the above. Hint to self. You are not after the truth so it will not matter.

 

[WPM]

No. I posted verses that proved your contention was incorrect.


I am reading what the word says.........not what you have been taught.


Nice. So you want to jam that all together without recognizing that there is new paragraph. Let me help you.

And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Genesis 7
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

Noah was 600 years old plus 2 months plus 17 days when the flood came on the earth.

NEW PARAGRAPH.
¶
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark on the self same day. That means they entered in one day. The very day they were told to enter.




Not a chance. The fountains of the deep broke open when Noah was 600 years old plus 2 months plus 17 days.


Read what the Word says.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.


I think the Church will be in heaven 6 days before the wrath of God and God will turn His attention to the 12 tribes across the earth. The fullness of the Gentiles must come in before part of Israel has its blindness removed. Don't be ignorant of this.

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Read the above. Hint to self. You are not after the truth so it will not matter.

You should write your own Bible. You twist every text we discuss and constantly add unto the text because it forbids your error. Pretrib has nothing. Your failure to present one single conclusive proof texts damns your doctrine. It is a man-made Jesuit doctrine. You have been deceived!