The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

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Why are you entertained by serious disagreements? My point was that parables cannot be compared by associating each feature of the story with some supposed equivalency unless that is given as the object of the parable.

The parable is not the thing is represents. It is more or less symbolic of what it represents. Searching for exact equivalences that serve the purpose of your theology is not the purpose of the parable, but only your own agenda.
All parables have components.
IRONICALLY in direct contrast to your hope that they don't, Jesus EXPLAINED the parables to his followers USING THE COMPONENTS.
THE COMPONENTS JETTISONED would nullify the parable.

No matter how hard you need the parables' components nullified, they stand for the actual meaning.

Why do I have to teach postribs basic bible??Bible???

....and no red flags.
 

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Go ahead and make those claims while reframing:
"before the flood ",
"one taken, and one left behind",
" watch and be ready before the flood/trib"
Yep go for it.

So, a gathering DURING THE TRIB, of jewish main harvest IN rev14:14.
****************AND****************
TWO SEPARATE GATHERINGS IN MAT 24..

Meanwhile you focus on what some ancients erroneously believed..Got it!

THE elephant in the room is invoking some ridiculous Darby card, while at the SAME TIME invoking dead ancients as infallible...???
Lol...basically declaring your doctrine came from men????
Lol
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All parables have components.
IRONICALLY in direct contrast to your hope that they don't, Jesus EXPLAINED the parables to his followers USING THE COMPONENTS.
THE COMPONENTS JETTISONED would nullify the parable.

No matter how hard you need the parables' components nullified, they stand for the actual meaning.

Why do I have to teach postribs basic bible??Bible???

....and no red flags.
Non-argument
 

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Ok got it.
Nothing about parables is relevant

( you literally can not make this stuff up
Non-argument
No fear
I can easily and quite handily defend the pretrib rapture doctrine, as you and all challengers have demonstrated.
You invoke every postribber pop gun.
"Darby"
" zombie"
"1830"
"dispensation"

Yawn
Non-argument
 

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Ok got it.
Nothing about parables is relevant

( you literally can not make this stuff up

I hear you Brother. There's a lot more to the text than the text alone. The Holy Spirit is waiting on us to set our blessed ass urances before him and His word, so He can begin transforming our and renewing our mind. Why does scripture tell us to meditate upon the word? We have 5 big questions we can ask when ever we read a scripture. Who? What? Where? When? and Why?

Who's in the passage?
What's it about?
Where are they in the passage?
WHen did the passage take place?
Why is what's happening, happening in the passage?

Sometimes you sit there and read it, then stare at it, ponder those questions and identify the spiritual principle being portrayed. Sometimes I find myself reading it twice with an ears & eyes for the big picture. When we do this while we prayerfully read a passage, the Holy Spirit will talk to you and put thoughts in your head. It might be a different supporting scripture or just a thought, but you open your spirit to receive it and have faith that He will guide you. If you do all this while you read you begin to see the big picture and how it all fits together as well as how we can apply the principle to our life.

But it takes a bit of time to read the word properly in this way. Too bad that so many are not willing to study the word that much.
 

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Bottom line.
The pretrib rapture verses that all of you ignore or rewrite, are not going away.
The only verses that you have presented as being supposedly in support of a pretrib rapture have been shown clearly to support a post-trib rapture instead. If you have nothing else to present then I have no choice but to consider your belief to have been put 6 feet under, so to speak.

Go ahead and make those claims while reframing:
"before the flood ",
"one taken, and one left behind",
You have been shown from Luke 17:26-37 that those left behind are all killed just like those who were left out of the ark and those who were left behind in Sodom, and you refuse to learn anything and adjust your doctrine accordingly. That's your fault for being stubborn.
 
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So let's see 'em.

Names, dates, sources, and verbatim quotes including surrounding contexts.
Exactly. The lies that are spread by these guys is breathtaking. Sadly, there seems to be no conviction going on.

You will be waiting a lot time on evidence. Their historic support is as real (and good) as their biblical support. It is as useful as a cigarette ashtray on a motorbike.
 

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When the Church is raptured when it is like the days of Noah, the door is shut.

Lot leaves Sodom the days of destruction. That day is the Day of the Lord.

There are two raptures.

Jesus simply mentions these two days in history to show us what His one final climactic return will look like. What happened in both days. This is how desperate, ridiculous and manipulated Pretrib is. There is no suggestion of 2 raptures n Jesus teaching. That belongs to your Left Behind novels. That is invented nonsense. The word rapture is not even in the Bible - in the original or the English. Pretribs force it in there to support your error.

Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”

How many wicked survived in Noah's day?
How many wicked survived in Sodom?

You know, in both of these examples, all the elect were immediately and totally rescued and all the wicked were immediately and totally destroyed. So will it be when He appears. All the elect were immediately and totally rescued and all the wicked were immediately and totally destroyed, so will it be when He appears.

It is both the suddenness and the scale of the destruction happening that is enlightening for the end-time Bible student.

The plain focus of this teaching in Luke 17 (reference Noah and Lot’s day) is the nature and degree of the judgment that befell the wicked in these two familiar Old Testament stories and especially the extent of that particular wrath. The key element and major emphasis of this discourse is the fact (speaking of the ungodly) that God “destroyed them all.” The comprehensive destruction of the wicked in both of these examples is the important lesson of the narrative; both the whole world of Noah’s day and the whole individual city of Sodom in Lot’s day saw the immediate and complete rescue of the entire righteous coupled together with the immediate and complete destruction of the entire wicked.
 

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Jesus simply mentions these two days in history to show us what His one final climactic return will look like. What happened in both days. This is how desperate, ridiculous and manipulated Pretrib is. There is no suggestion of 2 raptures n Jesus teaching.
The days of Noah. Noah is in the ark 6 days before the flood.

The days of Lot. The very day Lot left Sodom destruction came.

Two raptures

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

The fig tree has two harvests. The are two raptures.

That belongs to your Left Behind novels. That is invented nonsense. The word rapture is not even in the Bible - in the original or the English. Pretribs force it in there to support your error.
Why do you believe in a supposed post trib rapture if the rapture is not in the Bible? That makes no sense. Of course thinking that you believe in a post trib rapture when you actually believe in a post wrath rapture makes no sense either.

Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”
They were eating and drinking until the day Noah entered the ark. Noah was shut in the ark 6 days before flood.

But the same day Lot left Sodom, destruction came.

How many wicked survived in Noah's day?
How many of the wicked stopped eating and drinking the day Noah entered the ark? How many were alive until the flood came?
How many wicked survived in Sodom?
None. The very day Lot left Sodom destruction came.
You know, in both of these examples, all the elect were immediately and totally rescued and all the wicked were immediately and totally destroyed. So will it be when He appears. All the elect were immediately and totally rescued and all the wicked were immediately and totally destroyed, so will it be when He appears.
The Church will be safely in the ark 6 days before the flood. Then God will regraft part of Israel as their blindness will be removed when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

It is both the suddenness and the scale of the destruction happening that is enlightening for the end-time Bible student.

The plain focus of this teaching in Luke 17 (reference Noah and Lot’s day) is the nature and degree of the judgment that befell the wicked in these two familiar Old Testament stories and especially the extent of that particular wrath. The key element and major emphasis of this discourse is the fact (speaking of the ungodly) that God “destroyed them all.” The comprehensive destruction of the wicked in both of these examples is the important lesson of the narrative; both the whole world of Noah’s day and the whole individual city of Sodom in Lot’s day saw the immediate and complete rescue of the entire righteous coupled together with the immediate and complete destruction of the entire wicked.
The Church will be in the ark 6 days before the flood. The seed of the woman, Israel, the twelve tribes across the earth will be raptured at the 6th seal and then the 7th seal is opened and the one-year wrath of God will begin.
 

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The days of Noah. Noah is in the ark 6 days before the flood.

The days of Lot. The very day Lot left Sodom destruction came.

Two raptures

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

The fig tree has two harvests. The are two raptures.


Why do you believe in a supposed post trib rapture if the rapture is not in the Bible? That makes no sense. Of course thinking that you believe in a post trib rapture when you actually believe in a post wrath rapture makes no sense either.


They were eating and drinking until the day Noah entered the ark. Noah was shut in the ark 6 days before flood.

But the same day Lot left Sodom, destruction came.


How many of the wicked stopped eating and drinking the day Noah entered the ark? How many were alive until the flood came?

None. The very day Lot left Sodom destruction came.

The Church will be safely in the ark 6 days before the flood. Then God will regraft part of Israel as their blindness will be removed when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.


The Church will be in the ark 6 days before the flood. The seed of the woman, Israel, the twelve tribes across the earth will be raptured at the 6th seal and then the 7th seal is opened and the one-year wrath of God will begin.
We have already refuted these false claims several times. Your teachers have taught you wrong. You are not fighting with Posttribbers, you are fighting with Scripture. Once again you do not provide one single quote to support your claim. That is becoming a pattern with you, and one that is typical of engaging with Pretribbers.

Genesis doesn't say he entered the ark 6 or 7 days prior. It shows he received the instruction then. Let us analyze this.

Genesis 7:4-19

1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
4 For
yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.

8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts th
at are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of
the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
13
In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him:
and the LORD shut him in.
17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.


This is (not surprisingly) in agreement with the words of Christ. The focus is the day the flood came. That is the saleint day in view here. According to this, "the selfsame day" Noah entered the ark was expressly "after seven days." It was then "that the waters of the flood were upon the earth."

Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”

Jesus words support my position and forbid your doctrine. They show what that "self-same day" was - "the day" of destruction, thus the 7th day. Christ speaks of “the days of Noe” (plural), speaking of the days that preceded the destruction of all the wicked. He then spoke of “the day” (singular), speaking of the actual day when the wicked were wholesale wiped out. This contrast between “the days” and “day” is common in Scripture and is presented in order that we can distinguish between “the lasts days” of time and “the last day” of time, that ushers in the end. The actual day that Noah entered into the ark "the flood came, and took them all away." It was therefore an individual day that God closed the door of the Ark and by doing so damned all those that were left behind. The same will occur when our ark – Christ – arrives at the second coming.
 

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The only verses that you have presented as being supposedly in support of a pretrib rapture have been shown clearly to support a post-trib rapture instead. If you have nothing else to present then I have no choice but to consider your belief to have been put 6 feet under, so to speak.


You have been shown from Luke 17:26-37 that those left behind are all killed just like those who were left out of the ark and those who were left behind in Sodom, and you refuse to learn anything and adjust your doctrine accordingly. That's your fault for being stubborn.
So, before the flood, who are the 50% taken?
Define the group of people that half are taken

Define your assumption in eschatology where ALL, EVERY PERSON are killed in the flood and sodom ( leaven no living soul), but BEFORE both Judgements God removed a select few.

Please try it thoughtfully
 

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We have already refuted these false claims several times. Your teachers have taught you wrong. You are not fighting with Posttribbers, you are fighting with Scripture. Once again you do not provide one single quote to support your claim. That is becoming a pattern with you, and one that is typical of engaging with Pretribbers.

Genesis doesn't say he entered the ark 6 or 7 days prior. It shows he received the instruction then. Let us analyze this.

Genesis 7:4-19

1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
4 For
yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
6 And Noah was six hundred years old
when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts th
at are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of
the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
13
In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him:
and the LORD shut him in.
17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.


This is (not surprisingly) in agreement with the words of Christ. The focus is the day the flood came. That is the saleint day in view here. According to this, "the selfsame day" Noah entered the ark was expressly "after seven days." It was then "that the waters of the flood were upon the earth."

Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”

Jesus words support my position and damn your doctrine. They show what that "self-same day" was - "the day" of destruction, thus the 7th day. Christ speaks of “the days of Noe” (plural), speaking of the days that preceded the destruction of all the wicked. He then spoke of “the day” (singular), speaking of the actual day when the wicked were wholesale wiped out. This contrast between “the days” and “day” is common in Scripture and is presented in order that we can distinguish between “the lasts days” of time and “the last day” of time, that ushers in the end. The actual day that Noah entered into the ark "the flood came, and took them all away." It was therefore an individual day that God closed the door of the Ark and by doing so damned all those that were left behind. The same will occur when our ark – Christ – arrives at the second coming.
You left out...SMH... that before the flood half of some group are taken and JESUS commands to watch and be ready Pre-Flood/ trib..
Ahem...
...FOR HIS COMING
So the "7 day/ 6 day" thingy supports nothing in particular, but you think you promoted something.
Nope
Nothing to see.
Strained a gnat
Swallowed a camel.
JESUS promotes pretrib rapture vividly.
 

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So, before the flood, who are the 50% taken?
Define the group of people that half are taken

Define your assumption in eschatology where ALL, EVERY PERSON are killed in the flood and sodom ( leaven no living soul), but BEFORE both Judgements God removed a select few.

Please try it thoughtfully
The parable of the 10 virgins has nothing to do with 50% being saved and 50% not within the Church. It has nothing to do with 50% or professors being genuine and 50% not. It has equally nothing to do with the percentage of society that will know Christ when He comes. The 50/50 breakdown is an earthly illustration relating to preparedness; some were wise and prepared others were foolish and were caught on. This is what will happen when Jesus comes. Remember, the broad road holds the vast bulk of mankind. There are few on the narrow road. This truth is played out throughout Scripture.
 

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So, before the flood, who are the 50% taken?
Define the group of people that half are taken

Define your assumption in eschatology where ALL, EVERY PERSON are killed in the flood and sodom ( leaven no living soul), but BEFORE both Judgements God removed a select few.

Please try it thoughtfully
Regardless of you you're misunderstanding of the 50-50 teaching, what are the 5 virgins left to?
  • Does Jesus have 5 or 10 brides in your estimation?
  • Do you have to be a female virgin to make the rapture?
  • Do you have to have a literal lamp burning with oil at the actual moment Jesus comes to perform your Pretrib rapture?
 

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The only verses that you have presented as being supposedly in support of a pretrib rapture have been shown clearly to support a post-trib rapture instead. If you have nothing else to present then I have no choice but to consider your belief to have been put 6 feet under, so to speak.


You have been shown from Luke 17:26-37 that those left behind are all killed just like those who were left out of the ark and those who were left behind in Sodom, and you refuse to learn anything and adjust your doctrine accordingly. That's your fault for being stubborn.
Yes all not in the ark die.

So let's see if we can transpose that into your doctrine.
You guys claim boldly that all die in the flood the same day Noah entered the ark

So all die ( Every person on thr planet) immediately, at the start of the trib.
Now that is your poorly thought out claim????

Yet another postrib poorly thought out talking point.
But remember, we must ignore the fact that before the flood, half of some group are taken, and Jesus commands us to watch and be ready.
Ahem
Before the flood as he declares is the timing of his coming.
 

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You left out...SMH... that before the flood half of some group are taken and JESUS commands to watch and be ready Pre-Flood/ trib..
Ahem...
...FOR HIS COMING
So the "7 day/ 6 day" thingy supports nothing in particular, but you think you promoted something.
Nope
Nothing to see.
Strained a gnat
Swallowed a camel.
JESUS promotes pretrib rapture vividly.

Preachers today have made the narrow road the broad road and the broad road the narrow road. They preach their messages in such a compromised manner that you would believe: “crooked is the gate, and broad is the way, which leadeth unto life, and many there be that find it.” On the authority of this Word, I can tell you that that is a lie forged on the anvil of hell. Christ blows-apart such folly.

The Bible tells us: the majority of people miss heaven, not 50%.

Jesus said in Matthew 7:13-20

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and
few there be that find it.

The Lord was asked by one of the disciples in Luke 13:23-28, Lord, are there few that be saved?”

The Lord replies, “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

What solemn words!!!

The Lord is here speaking of religious people, who thought that they were in a right standing with God, but they weren’t; they will end up locked outside the gates of heaven. These religious people even ate and drank in the Lord’s presence AND they heard his teaching, but they still missed it.

This is another reason to reject Pretrib!
 

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The parable of the 10 virgins has nothing to do with 50% being saved and 50% not within the Church. It has nothing to do with 50% or professors being genuine and 50% not. It has equally nothing to do with the percentage of society that will know Christ when He comes. The 50/50 breakdown is an earthly illustration relating to preparedness; some were wise and prepared others were foolish and were caught on. This is what will happen when Jesus comes. Remember, the broad road holds the vast bulk of mankind. There are few on the narrow road. This truth is played out throughout Scripture.
Lol
You just affirmed half are ready. Half are not

Just pretend 50% is not half

We can just say half to help you out.
 

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Preachers today have made the narrow road the broad road and the broad road the narrow road. They preach their messages in such a compromised manner that you would believe: “crooked is the gate, and broad is the way, which leadeth unto life, and many there be that find it.” On the authority of this Word, I can tell you that that is a lie forged on the anvil of hell. Christ blows-apart such folly.

The Bible tells us: the majority of people miss heaven, not 50%.

Jesus said in Matthew 7:13-20

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and
few there be that find it.

The Lord was asked by one of the disciples in Luke 13:23-28, Lord, are there few that be saved?”

The Lord replies, “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

What solemn words!!!

The Lord is here speaking of religious people, who thought that they were in a right standing with God, but they weren’t; they will end up locked outside the gates of heaven. These religious people even ate and drank in the Lord’s
Yes.more that 50% miss heaven

You are getting so close!!!!

Yes indeed.
Pssst...so the half taken are not your" saved vs unsaved" assumption you just now stumbled on