The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

[Ronald Nolette]

Any proper rebuttal, or is it just that you don't like it?

How is what I post 'my own view', when I have supported it with many scriptures?

YOu do not support it with Scripture, but with a reinterpreted view of Scripture. You have taken away ehtnic Israel and with your replacement theology retranslate Gods Word top mean a "sspiritual Israel which is the church and as you have been shown that is a wrong translation of Galatians 6.

2. This i not redemption. Redemption is a buyi8ng back. These events (which are for Jews and the survivng gentiles of the trib 7 years) are not redemption.

3. there are only three redemptions in the bible

!. Redeemed from the penalty of sin (when Jesus died on the cross.)
2. REdeemd from the power of sin (when we received Jesus at salvation.
3. Redeemed from the presence of sin, (when we go home to be with the Lord)

This is biblical redemption inn the three words used for redemption, lutroo, agorazo, exagorazo.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

We surely do not need to look for sin and errors.
Prophecy is given to us for our information; to not make an effort to understand it all, is nothing short of sinfulness.

Look for sin and errors? What are you talking about? I'm talking about being aware of things like this that happen just before Jesus returns at the end of the age....

Matthew 24:9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Tell that to the Wickliffe translators.
The Revised English Bible, Oxford Press, 1989, is the best Bible for accuracy and modern understanding. To reject it for its different wordings, is foolishness.

To think that Zechariah 5 is referring to a barrel instead of a scroll is foolishness. It's also foolishness to try to turn a barrel into a nuclear missile.

Much hot air, bereft of any idea of what that object represented.
No one before this modern age could have imagined Zechariah was seeing a rocket missile. But he was!

No, he was not! That is foolishness. He was seeing something that was a symbol and not anything literal.

 

[Keraz]

It describes a scene in the New Heavens and Earth following the judgment plagues having been poured out upon Egypt the beast. They will have been resurrected from the dead and there will be no more death. Until the second death when the rest of the dead are raised.

The Gog-Magog nations who get deceived by Satan are resurrected saints who believe the lie:

"You will NOT surely die"

Only God has life IN HIMSELF.

Ask Adam what's coming and he'll tell you - because he knows what happened, and why.

Hopelessly confused and Adam isn't around now, so your advice is useless.

 

[Keraz]

YOu do not support it with Scripture, but with a reinterpreted view of Scripture. You have taken away ehtnic Israel and with your replacement theology retranslate Gods Word top mean a "sspiritual Israel which is the church and as you have been shown that is a wrong translation of Galatians 6.

The scriptures I post contradict your false beliefs.
Galatians 6:14-16 is entirely about Christian peoples. The Israel of God also must walk by that rule; which counts out Jewish Israel.

 

[Keraz]

I'm talking about being aware of things like this that happen just before Jesus returns at the end of the age....

So am I. And we are in that time now.

No, he was not! That is foolishness. He was seeing something that was a symbol and not anything literal.

For starters; you have yet to say what you think it was that Zechariah saw. If it was just a writing scroll, then why and how; did it fly and cause houses to be demolished? What would that be symbolic of?

But I view your determined and vehement objections, as an example of rejection and denial of Gods Prophetic Word. This leaves people in the dark, about what will happen before Jesus Returns.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So am I. And we are in that time now.

I referenced Matthew 24:9-13, so are you saying you believe we are in the time now when persecution, deception, apostasy and wickedness have increased?

For starters; you have yet to say what you think it was that Zechariah saw.

I specifically said that he saw a scroll, so I'm not sure why you're saying this.

If it was just a writing scroll, then why and how; did it fly and cause houses to be demolished? What would that be symbolic of?

Because it had two messages on it with one message on each side.

(NIV) Zechariah 5:1 I looked again, and there before me was a flying scroll. 2 He asked me, “What do you see?” I answered, “I see a flying scroll, twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide.” 3 And he said to me, “This is the curse that is going out over the whole land; for according to what it says on one side, every thief will be banished, and according to what it says on the other, everyone who swears falsely will be banished. 4 The Lord Almighty declares, ‘I will send it out, and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of anyone who swears falsely by my name. It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones.’”

What is symbolically represents is exactly what it says here. It symbolically represents "the curse that is going out over the whole land; for according to what it says on one side, every thief will be banished, and according to what it says on the other, everyone who swears falsely will be banished". The scroll, and what is written on it, represents the fact that God will not let lying and stealing go punished.

By the way, can you show me how Zechariah 5:1-4 reads in the REBible? All I know is that you think it refers to a barrel, but please let me see how the rest of the passage reads. it's very odd that the REBible is not available to read online or, at least, not for free like every other English translation. Why is that?

But I view your determined and vehement objections, as an example of rejection and denial of Gods Prophetic Word. This leaves people in the dark, about what will happen before Jesus Returns.

I couldn't care less how you view my objections to your false interpretations.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It describes a scene in the New Heavens and Earth following the judgment plagues having been poured out upon Egypt the beast. They will have been resurrected from the dead and there will be no more death. Until the second death when the rest of the dead are raised.

The Gog-Magog nations who get deceived by Satan are resurrected saints who believe the lie:

"You will NOT surely die"

Only God has life IN HIMSELF.

Ask Adam what's coming and he'll tell you - because he knows what happened, and why.

When the dead in Christ are resurrected at Christ's return their bodies will be changed to put on immortality and will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air (1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:14-17), so you can't be talking about them. So, who are these resurrected saints exactly that you're talking about who get deceived by Satan and end up being burned by the fire that comes down from heaven?

 

[Keraz]

I specifically said that he saw a scroll, so I'm not sure why you're saying this.

An actual writing scroll is, at the most 2ft high [long] and 6 inches round. What Zech saw was like a scroll.

Because it had two messages on it with one message on each side.

Missiles have a front side and the back, too. With as much writing on it as you like.

What is symbolically represents is exactly what it says here

It symbolically flies, causes destruction and is based in Iran. Yeah right?

By the way, can you show me how Zechariah 5:1-4 reads in the REBible? All I know is that you think it refers to a barrel, but please let me see how the rest of the passage reads. it's very odd that the REBible is not available to read online or, at least, not for free like every other English translation. Why is that?

No, I have said the REBible says it is like a barrel. Again, just a guess by the translators, the general shape of an actual object.
The REBible is a British translation. Not generally sold in America. Also, now overtaken by newer versions.

I couldn't care less how you view my objections to your false interpretations.

But I care. For every Christian who has been taught errors, or misread scripture and now believe wrong theories and doctrines.
The end times will be tough for them.

 

[Zao is life]

Hopelessly confused and Adam isn't around now, so your advice is useless.

A reply without the usual aggro and flat rejections. Thanks!

The faithful Christians will gather and live in peace and prosperity in all of the Promised Land, before Jesus Returns. This is proved by Revelation 12:14 & 17 & Romans 9:24-26....in the very same place, where ancient Israel was exiled from.
They will be the great multitude who John sees in Jerusalem; in Revelation 7:9. Jesus will be revealed to them. Rev 14:1

the rest of the dead do not rise until the thousand years is over. Revelation 20:5 For the GWT Judgment, after the Millennium.

Who rises before the thousand years commences, at the time Christ returns?

 

[Zao is life]

When the dead in Christ are resurrected at Christ's return their bodies will be changed to put on immortality and will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air (1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:14-17), so you can't be talking about them.

What are your guesses:

1. How long do they hang around in the air for?

2. Do they continue to hang around in the air when New Jerusalem comes down to earth?

3. Will your guesses come down to earth when New Jerusalem comes down to earth? Or before then?

 

[Keraz]

Who rises before the thousand years commences, at the time Christ returns?

This question is plainly and positively answered in Revelation 20:4-5
ONLY the Martyrs killed during the 3 1/2 years period of world control by the 'beast'. Rev 13

 

[Zao is life]

This question is plainly and positively answered in Revelation 20:4-5
ONLY the Martyrs killed during the 3 1/2 years period of world control by the 'beast'. Rev 13

Who rises from the dead in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

An actual writing scroll is, at the most 2ft high [long] and 6 inches round. What Zech saw was like a scroll.

Good grief. It's symbolism. There is no requirement for a symbol to be realistic. Look at Revelation 9 which describes symbolic locusts as having women's hair, teeth like Lions teeth and tails and stingers like scorpions and so on. As I have been saying, you have no understanding of symbolism.

An actual writing scroll is, at the most 2ft high [long] and 6 inches round. What Zech saw was like a scroll.

No, it wasn't like a scroll, it was a symbolic large scroll.

Missiles have a front side and the back, too. With as much writing on it as you like.

Why do you think he had to have seen something literal? Look at the previous chapter (Zechariah 4). Do you think that is talking about
a literal "candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof"?

It symbolically flies, causes destruction and is based in Iran. Yeah right?

You are proving to be unable to differentiate between literal and symbolic text and that's why you misinterpret so much Old Testament scripture.

No, I have said the REBible says it is like a barrel. Again, just a guess by the translators, the general shape of an actual object.
The REBible is a British translation. Not generally sold in America. Also, now overtaken by newer versions.

If it contains many other poor translations of scripture like it does in Zechariah 5, then that translation is trash as far as I'm concerned. Notice I said "if". I'm not familiar with that translation as I don't have access to it.

Are you not allowed to show me how Zechariah 5:1-4 reads in that translation? Can you copy and paste from it online? Is it similar to what I showed other than it referring to something like a barrel instead of a scroll?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What are your guesses:

1. How long do they hang around in the air for?

2. Do they continue to hang around in the air when New Jerusalem comes down to earth?

3. Will your guesses come down to earth when New Jerusalem comes down to earth? Or before then?

Can you please answer my question first? Again, I said this...

When the dead in Christ are resurrected at Christ's return their bodies will be changed to put on immortality and will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air (1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:14-17), so you can't be talking about them. So, who are these resurrected saints exactly that you're talking about who get deceived by Satan and end up being burned by the fire that comes down from heaven?

 

[Zao is life]

Can you please answer my question first? Again, I said this...

When the dead in Christ are resurrected at Christ's return their bodies will be changed to put on immortality and will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air (1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:14-17), so you can't be talking about them. So, who are these resurrected saints exactly that you're talking about who get deceived by Satan and end up being burned by the fire that comes down from heaven?

First consider these facts:

"IN HIM (the Word of God) was life; and the life was the light of men." (John 1:4).

In Him (Christ) is life; and the life of Christ is the light of men.

If the light of created human beings is the life of Christ that He alone possesses in Himself, and in the understanding that therefore the Son of God alone possesses His own immortality (because He alone has life in Himself), then they are truly blessed in Christ.

But if the light of created human beings is the life they believe they possess in themselves because it was "given to them" (rather than given to them IN Christ through Christ IN them, who alone possesses eternal life in Himself),

and in a belief that they will therefore possess the immortality they will have following the resurrection, then even the light that is in them, is darkness, because the light of the created human being (Adam) following Satan's lie, did not remain the life of God and faith in the Word of God, but faith in the word of Satan instead which insists,

"You will not surely die", (which implies also, "because you are immortal").

There was NO DEATH before that first death.

The big issue with most of the daughters of Eve is that they believe the same lie (she was the spouse of Adam who was called the son of God and is a type of the bride of Christ) and she believed this lie:

"You shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4) (which also implies "because you are immortal").

The Theology of many main-stream Christian churches: It is impossible for those who are in Christ, who have been given eternal life in Christ, to die a second death following the resurrection of the body, because following the resurrection of the body, all will be immortal, "and it is impossible for immortals to die".

The Bible:

(1) "He (Christ) alone possesses (His own) immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen." (1 Timothy 6:15-16); and

(2) "God has given to us eternal life [zōḗ], and this life [zōḗ] is in His Son. He that has the Son has (eternal) life; and he that has not the Son of God has not (eternal) life [zōḗ]." (1 John 5:11-12).

Jesus alone possesses eternal life in Himself. Adam (created human) did not possess or have eternal life or immortality in himself. His death proved it.

The last three chapters of the Bible repeat the same conditions and events of the first three chapters of the Bible that took place in paradise, except that:

1. Now there is a whole human race consisting of the descendants of Adam; and

2. There will be a faithful remnant that remains, following the second death.

Christ died for our sins and rose again from the dead to save us from the first death. Following the resurrection all will be immortal so there will be no more death until Satan is permitted to deceive the nations one last time.

In the Revelation of Jesus Christ it takes place at the close of the first thousand years of the ages of the ages a.k.a the new heavens and new earth.

@Spiritual Israelite Revelation 20 answers your question.

Read Revelation 20 and see if it tells you who these resurrected saints (are) exactly that Revelation 20 is talking about who get deceived by Satan and end up being burned by the fire that comes down from heaven.

.. and ask yourself HOW he manages to deceive them.

If most are already deceived now, most will be deceived then - just like Adam and Eve were.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

First consider these facts:

"IN HIM (the Word of God) was life; and the life was the light of men." (John 1:4).

In Him (Christ) is life; and the life of Christ is the light of men.

If the light of created human beings is the life of Christ that He alone possesses in Himself, and in the understanding that therefore the Son of God alone possesses His own immortality (because He alone has life in Himself), then they are truly blessed in Christ.

But if the light of created human beings is the life they believe they possess in themselves because it was "given to them" (rather than given to them IN Christ through Christ IN them, who alone possesses eternal life in Himself),

and in a belief that they will therefore possess the immortality they will have following the resurrection, then even the light that is in them, is darkness, because the light of the created human being (Adam) following Satan's lie, did not remain the life of God and faith in the Word of God, but faith in the word of Satan instead which insists,

"You will not surely die", (which implies also, "because you are immortal").

There was NO DEATH before that first death.

The big issue with most of the daughters of Eve is that they believe the same lie (she was the spouse of Adam who was called the son of God and is a type of the bride of Christ) and she believed this lie:

"You shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4) (which also implies "because you are immortal").

The Theology of many main-stream Christian churches: It is impossible for those who are in Christ, who have been given eternal life in Christ, to die a second death following the resurrection of the body, because following the resurrection of the body, all will be immortal, "and it is impossible for immortals to die".

The Bible:

(1) "He (Christ) alone possesses (His own) immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen." (1 Timothy 6:15-16); and

(2) "God has given to us eternal life [zōḗ], and this life [zōḗ] is in His Son. He that has the Son has (eternal) life; and he that has not the Son of God has not (eternal) life [zōḗ]." (1 John 5:11-12).

Jesus alone possesses eternal life in Himself. Adam (created human) did not possess or have eternal life or immortality in himself. His death proved it.

The last three chapters of the Bible repeat the same conditions and events of the first three chapters of the Bible that took place in paradise, except that:

1. Now there is a whole human race consisting of the descendants of Adam; and

2. There will be a faithful remnant that remains, following the second death.

Christ died for our sins and rose again from the dead to save us from the first death. Following the resurrection all will be immortal so there will be no more death until Satan is permitted to deceive the nations one last time.

In the Revelation of Jesus Christ it takes place at the close of the first thousand years of the ages of the ages a.k.a the new heavens and new earth.

@Spiritual Israelite Revelation 20 answers your question.

Read Revelation 20 and see if it tells you who these resurrected saints (are) exactly that Revelation 20 is talking about who get deceived by Satan and end up being burned by the fire that comes down from heaven.

.. and ask yourself HOW he manages to deceive them.

If most are already deceived now, most will be deceived then - just like Adam and Eve were.

Is there some reason why you can't give a straightforward answer to a straightforward question? I find you to be hard to follow sometimes. and this is one of those times. Can you just tell me straightforwardly who exactly you think the resurrected saints are that will end up being destroyed by fire (Rev 20:7-9)? Can you show me any other scripture which would support the notion that saints could be resurrected and end up experiencing God's wrath?

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Would you agree that "they that have done good" are saints and "they that have done evil" are not saints? Jesus said "they that have done good" will experience "the resurrection of life". I understand that to be talking about eternal life. Do you disagree?

 

[Zao is life]

Is there some reason why you can't give a straightforward answer to a straightforward question? I find you to be hard to follow sometimes. and this is one of those times.

It goes over your head and you need to ask God. You really should ask God. Because only the Holy Spirit can explain it to you.

But you think you know it all already, before you even ask God. That's why you scoff at what you regard as "not a straightforward answer". It's not a straightforward answer to you because it goes over your head. I can't explain this any better. You need to ask God, so that you don't end up scoffing at His Word.

No doubt they scoffed at Noah. They scoffed at Moses in the wilderness. They scoffed at the prophets, they scoffed at Christ, and they scoffed at His apostles.

But they were not scoffing at them. They were scoffing at the Word of God and against God Himself.

- and they were all members of the elect of God, the seed of Abraham, the church in the wilderness, and the church that had been brought into the promised land.

And I'm not even a prophet (not nearly, and not at all).

But it's no wonder you scoff, because the church is the daughter of Eve, who is the mother of all living, and she believes the lie:

"You will not sure die".

I'm not writing this for you benefit. I'm writing this for the benefit of the saved remnant at the close of the thousand years. Some of them are alive now.

Most of the sons and daughters of Eve believe this:

"God has given me eternal life" [zoe] (period). Instead of this:

God has given me eternal life [zoe] in Christ, who alone has eternal life [zoe] in Himself. When Christ, who is my life [zoe] shall appear, then I will also appear with Him in glory.

Life [zoe] (eternal life) is in the Word of God alone. That knowledge should be your light. Adam believed the lie. So he died. The sons and daughters of Eve will end up dying a second death for believing the same lie.

Paul told you that this was a mystery before Christ came:

"Christ IN you, the hope of (your future) glory (in your resurrected body). When Christ, who is your life [zoe] shall appear, then you will also appear with Him in glory.

Christ IN YOU = eternal life in you - the eternal life you have been given in Christ who alone has eternal life in Himself.

You are not, and will not be like Christ in the way Satan told Eve she would be like God: He alone possesses His own immortality because He alone has eternal life in Himself. He became like you in every way (except without sin) so that He could die for your sin and rise again from death to deliver you from the first death.

Scoff again now, because the reason you do not understand why the second death does not come before the new heavens and new earth but a thousand years into the new heavens and new earth is because you are a son of Eve, the mother of all living. Her daughter is the church, and she still believes the lie:

"You will NOT surely die" (once you have risen from Adam's death that came upon all, and regained Adam's immortality).

The Theology of many main-stream Christian churches: It is impossible for those who are in Christ, who have been given eternal life in Christ, to die a second death following the resurrection of the body, because following the resurrection of the body, all will be immortal, "and it is impossible for immortals to die".​

The Word of God:

(1) "He (Christ) alone possesses (His own) immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen." (1 Timothy 6:15-16); and

(2) "For as the Father hath life [zoe] in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life [zoe] in himself" (John 5:26).

(3) "God has given to us eternal life [zōḗ], and this life [zōḗ] is in His Son. He that has the Son has (eternal) life; and he that has not the Son of God has not (eternal) life [zōḗ]." (1 John 5:11-12).

Note: If you believe that eternal life [zoe] is in you because you believe that eternal life "has been given to you" (period), and that belief is your light, then the light that is in you is darkness.

But if the life that is in the Word of God alone is your light (John 1:4) because you believe that eternal life is in the Word of God alone and therefore among human beings in Christ alone, then the true light (which is your eternal life) is in you, and you will not believe the theology of the daughter of Eve regarding immortality (the immortality that you will experience after you have risen from the dead).

You said:

When the dead in Christ are resurrected at Christ's return their bodies will be changed to put on immortality and will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air (1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:14-17), so you can't be talking about them.

The resurrected saints - new Jerusalem - will be living on the new earth, will they not?

So how long do you guess they will be hanging around in the air for?

You can carry on scoffing now, if you like. It will show that scoffing at the deep things of God becomes you.

This is why you believe Amillennial theology. So place your laugh down below now.

 

[Keraz]

Who rises from the dead in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23?

1 Thess 4:16b - at the glorious Return, -ONLY the GT martyrs will be brought back to life. Not made immortal yet.
Any other ideas are a direct contradiction of Rev 20:4-5.

1 Cor 15:22....all those in Christ will be resurrected. This will happen at the GWT Judgment, as their names will be found in the Book of Life.
1 Cor 15:23 ....at His coming; those who belong to Christ. As per 1 Thess 4:16b, only the martyrs killed by the 'beast'. Rev 13:7

Note; 1 Thess 4:14b, says that God will bring those who died as Christians to be with Jesus. Again, this must be fulfilled at the GWT, AFTER the Millennium.

Note too; 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, is a Prophecy about what happens at the Great White Throne Judgment. Proved by how it is only then ; that Death will be no more. Revelation 21:4

 

[Zao is life]

1 Thess 4:16b - at the glorious Return, -ONLY the GT martyrs will be brought back to life. Not made immortal yet.
Any other ideas are a direct contradiction of Rev 20:4-5.

1 Cor 15:22....all those in Christ will be resurrected. This will happen at the GWT Judgment, as their names will be found in the Book of Life.
1 Cor 15:23 ....at His coming; those who belong to Christ. As per 1 Thess 4:16b, only the martyrs killed by the 'beast'. Rev 13:7

Note; 1 Thess 4:14b, says that God will bring those who died as Christians to be with Jesus. Again, this must be fulfilled at the GWT, AFTER the Millennium.

Note too; 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, is a Prophecy about what happens at the Great White Throne Judgment. Proved by how it is only then ; that Death will be no more. Revelation 21:4

If the martyred saints are the only saints to be resurrected when Christ returns, who or what is their reigning with Christ about? Revelation 11:15 says that when the seventh trumpet sounds, the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of God and His Christ, and that He will then commence reigning to the ages of the ages.

* When He rose again from the dead He commenced living in a human body to the ages of the ages:

"I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive to the ages of the ages, Amen; and have the keys of hades and of death." Rev 1:18.

He promised His apostles that in the regeneration they which had followed Him would reign over the twelve tribes of Israel (the apostles were also martyred and persecuted for their testimony)

So I take that as meaning all the other saints who died in Christ without having had to face persecution or martyrdom will be resurrected when Christ returns and reigned over by those mentioned in Rev 20:4-6.

I believe the Gog-Magog nations will all be from among those saints who had been resurrected and were still, at that point, being reigned over by other saints - because only the martyrs are promised that the second death will have no authority over them, and the rebels will believe the first lie: "You will not surely die" because they will believe that they possess their own immortality the way only Christ possesses His immortality, and they will believe this because they will not know that the eternal life given to them is in the word of God alone (not their own possession) and unless that knowledge and belief in that Word is the light in them, they will die.

 

[Keraz]

If the martyred saints are the only saints to be resurrected when Christ returns, who or what is their reigning with Christ about?

Exactly as Revelation 20:6b tells us.

Revelation 11:15 says that when the seventh trumpet sounds, the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of God and His Christ, and that He will then commence reigning to the ages of the ages.

This is a Prophecy about the future Millennium and then the Eternal Kingdom. 1 Cor 15:24.
Rev 11:15, does not happen then, as the 7 Bowls remain yet.

He promised His apostles that in the regeneration they which had followed Him would reign over the twelve tribes of Israel

In the new Jerusalem. Rev 21

So I take that as meaning all the other saints who died in Christ without having had to face persecution or martyrdom will be resurrected when Christ returns and reigned over by those mentioned in Rev 20:4-6.

You cannot make that assumption. The rest of the dead must wait until the thousand years is over.

I believe the Gog-Magog nations will all be from among those saints who had been resurrected and were still, at that point, being reigned over by other saints - because only the martyrs are promised that the second death will have no authority over them.

This gets into the realms of weirdness!
You need to read Ezekiel 38 again and understand where the horde comes from and what their intention is.