The faithful and the saints: Bringing Calvinism and Arminianism together.
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Well, since two sinners, both of them sinners, prayed, and the one who was honest about himself walked away justified, approved of, I think you might need to adjust that. And you are under the dominion of your passions, your flesh, whenever you’re so mad you could spit, whenever you speak harshly to a brother, whenever you’re arrogant, whenever you’re impatient - a still carnal Christian. I mean if it’s not a fruit of the Spirit, it’s the fruit of your flesh.
I've seen where this idea of a caste-Christianity leads men into arrogance, thinking they are better than others.
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Romans 6:3-14 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
There is a reason why fleshy desires are called "deceptive lusts".
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The macrocosm of salvation is not what “and that not of yourselves” is referring back to. I don’t think so anyway. If one wanted it to say that, the “that not of yourselves” (in the English language anyway) would need to be moved like this:
For it is by the kindness of God that you have been saved - and that not of yourselves, it is a gift - through your trust.
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Yes, I’ve seen that too.
But it does not negate the fact that some Christians are still yet carnal.
You keep using this example. Do you define New Covanent salvation according to the terms of God's covenant with Israel?
I'm not disputing that God wants honesty. But while they walked away justified for the present, in Christ, we are justified in Him, and He never changes.
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Acting/thinking in a fleshy way doesn't make you a different type of Christian, it means you are not fully renewed yet. And we will continue in that process until we die.
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I've seen this on this forum from those who present themselves to be this "upper caste". Our words always reveal our hearts.
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Lifelong_sinner
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There is no bringing the two together. I think people have managed to confuse Calvinism. They seem to think that its a man made system of beliefs. Calvinism is 100% Biblical. If Paul came back to life today, he would say he is a calvinist. Why?? Because he already did. John calvin took what paul wrote and gave it a classification. John calvin didnt create any of the beliefs, he just neatly bundled what the Bible says into a more defined and modern description. With God, there is only 1 path to salvation. The same with theology. Its not open to interpretation. The Bible says what it means, and means what it says, despite any part you disagree with. And that is why there are so many denominations and beliefs… because someone didnt like something the Bible said.
……….that’s pretty good right there!
Men just tend to muddy the waters with all their stomping around.
I don't think you really understand justification by grace through faith. The man who confessed that he was a sinner asked for mercy. Therefore he was justified. Not because he was honest (which of course was true). And when a person is justified by God, God imputes the righteousness of Christ to him. Which means that in God's eyes the believer is deemed righteous at that point. But that also means that the believer must do righteously and think righteously from that point onwards. And that is why the new birth accompanies justification.
Lambano
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May I?
“Faith”, πιστις, is a feminine noun. “This, τούτο, is neuter. “Faith” cannot be the referent for “This” due to the gender mismatch, so the gift is the entire preceding clause, salvation by grace through faith.
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