The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS

[BarneyFife]

to be perfect you would be totally without sin.

no one,NT even paul achieved that status.

So you would place your reasoning powers above those of the Holy Spirit as revealed through the writer of Hebrews.

 

[BarneyFife]

You Left out the most important word in what I said.

Love is doing what is RIGHT regardless of the Consequences.

If you are going to disagree with what I said, disagree with what I actually said.

Glory to God,
Taken

Biblical definitions not welcome here.

 

[BarneyFife]

Telling another person they better live up to some standard or they will lose the gift of eternal life is so edifying itself,


Telling a person to remove their osas glasses is a perfect example of edifying discussion.

smh

I do wish him luck and will pray for him

Oh, I see. He started it. Not you. Well, that'll probably help out at the principal's office.

Why would a Christian need good luck?

 

[BarneyFife]

Amen, but can it be more than that

if we loved others as God loved us, the true defenition of love

You mean if we were willing to die for each other. Rhetorical question: Who all would you/we be willing to die for outside of our circle of loved ones?

 

[Taken]

Biblical definitions not welcome here.

Ok, I'll keep that in mind when I see your posts.

 

[Taken]

Isn't it odd, people against being Saved Once, fail to mention how many times they have been Saved.

 

[BarneyFife]

Ok, I'll keep that in mind when I see your posts.

It was sarcasm. And I was talking about your post. Your definition of love is not Biblical. I can't believe I'm having to explain this.

 

[Taken]

It was sarcasm. And I was talking about your post. Your definition of love is not Biblical. I can't believe I'm having to explain this.

BarnyFife- Sarcasm-
ok, I'll keep that in mind when you post.

Your definition of love is not Biblical.

Love is doing what is Right regardless of the Consequences.

Your definition of love is not Biblical.

Pss 11:
[7] For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.

Your definition of love is not Biblical.

What does love mean in your world?
Sarcasm ?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So you would place your reasoning powers above those of the Holy Spirit as revealed through the writer of Hebrews.

So you believe you can reach sinless perfection? How do?

Heb 10 days I am perfected. Not that I am perfect. I have the righteousness of Christ not my own righteousness

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Oh, I see. He started it. Not you. Well, that'll probably help out at the principal's office.

Why would a Christian need good luck?

Yawn.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You mean if we were willing to die for each other. Rhetorical question: Who all would you/we be willing to die for outside of our circle of loved ones?

No difference

and you made a point. Hence why we will never be perfect. Our love is not perfect love like Gods is

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Isn't it odd, people against being Saved Once, fail to mention how many times they have been Saved.

They can’t give you an answer lol

 

[Nancy]

I highly doubt that .....................

You can doubt her all you want but, I HAVE one of her books and she is an awesome writer.

 

[Taken]

They can’t give you an answer lol

Unsure as they are about their own Salvation, perhaps they are in hiding sending prayers requests to their intercessory Heavenly saints for whiteout.

 

[Nancy]

Listen to what you said

you have eternal life as long as you abide and you obey

your trying to earn a reward not receive a gift

Would not "abiding and obeying" be running the race? Keeping His commands? He said those that do, will receive the crown of life. What happens if one does NOT "abide and obey"? Other than earthly consequences, wouldn't they have spiritual consequences as well?
Not looking to argue, only wondering at certain things pertaining to OSAS. :)

 

[ChristisGod]

You can doubt her all you want but, I HAVE one of her books and she is an awesome writer.

Thanks for the tip.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Unsure as they are about their own Salvation, perhaps they are in hiding sending prayers requests to their intercessory Heavenly saints for whiteout.

Lol

the spirit of fear they preach they have to hide. Because Paul said god did not give us a spirit of fear but sound mind

they have to somehow relate a sound mind to possible loss if salvation

to me. That is in direct contradiction with each other

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Would not "abiding and obeying" be running the race? Keeping His commands? He said those that do, will receive the crown of life. What happens if one does NOT "abide and obey"? Other than earthly consequences, wouldn't they have spiritual consequences as well?
Not looking to argue, only wondering at certain things pertaining to OSAS. :)

We do not run the race to earn salvation we run the race to do the “works god created us to do (EPH 2: 10) so we can be rewarded in heaven and recieve our crowns

salvation is not a race or a pride to earn. It is a gift Of god paid by his own blood

how do we feel when we work hard to purchase someone we love a gift. Then give that gift to them and they say they have to work to pay you back or earn that gift?
If we answer anything other than we are
Insulted something is wrong

now think how God feels when we do that very thing when he gives us a gift
Paid For by his Sons blood?

something to think about

 

[FollowHim]

You Left out the most important word in what I said.

Love is doing what is RIGHT regardless of the Consequences.

If you are going to disagree with what I said, disagree with what I actually said.

Glory to God,
Taken

I think you missed my point the consequences actually affect what is "right".

On a simple case righteous deeds, helping people in need which leads to sacrifice is the right thing to do.
I think what you mean by consequences is cost personally. But this also points out the problem with language, a summary can read one thing in the writers mind and another thing in the readers.

Consequences I was pointing out is the effect it has on others. Another thing I have noticed is if one points out a different perspective on someones words, the statement that this is not what they meant is often said, but in truth, real truth, if the words do not spell this out, it is fair to bring other perspectives.

One believer claimed we are not yoked to Christ to follow in His footsteps but adoring sinners incapable of following or being like Jesus.
As John would say, then you are not a follower or a believer. I am learning not to compromise and be nice to unbelievers and those who do not actually have faith or love for Christ.

The warnings Jesus gives are not really about heaven or hell, but spiritual reality of entering the Kingdom or not, and sadly many stand claiming pompously who has entered and who has not. But they by their own declarations and condemnation condemn themselves to not have entered the Kingdom. Jesus was very precise what He condemned, obvious sin and heresy. And core to this was actually love in ones heart. If it is not there there is no reality in the Lord. God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

Listen to what you said

you have eternal life as long as you abide and you obey

your trying to earn a reward not receive a gift

This is your perspective. Another one is you are alive and in reality when you follow Jesus, and dying or dead when you do not.
Now if one is truly alive, you do not walk into fire or starve yourself.

No one knows our hearts, but how you walk can definitively say one does not know the Lord.
There is unfortunately never the opposite a definitive statement of salvation, because in the Lord, being in the Lord is our heart, not passing a line in the sand.

God bless you