The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

[reformed1689]

Thank you for your limited answer, that is most appropriate for a Carnal minded World.

It was a direct answer. Sorry if it didn't have a bunch of vain philosophy you so desire.

 

[Taken]

You can say that all you want, but that's not what the Bible says.

Nonsense. You have been shown in Scripture everything I said is verifiable in Scripture.

 

[Taken]

It was a direct answer. Sorry if it didn't have a bunch of vain philosophy you so desire.

You sound more like BOL with every passing post. Never identify any specific, just deflect to snarky comments.

You and BOL can enjoy your Human jesus made in your likeness.

 

[Taken]

You said since Jesus did those things he could not be human. This proves you wrong.

BOL, uh David, why are you speaking for me? Forget how to use the quote feature where my own words appear?

Pfft...

 

[Nondenom40]

It is not about anyone denying Jesus was manifested in the LIKENESS as a man.

It IS however, comprehending, that claiming Jesus "IS" a Human man, would be contending Jesus was created out of the dust of the earth and thus required to return to dust, WHICH IS a Specific teaching of Scripture that Applies to ALL (humans)...men OUT OF the earth.
Whereas scripture reveals Jesus came forth OUT from God.

Further, contending Jesus "IS" a HUMAN man, makes Him having been Manifested, the SAME "LIKENESS" as ALL Humans....and Scripture itself, LIMITED His "LIKENESS" to that of "FAITHFUL Jews".

God does NOT CHANGE.
God does NOT become the Created.
God CAN appear in A LIKENESS He chooses.
God Himself appeared in the Flesh "LIKENESS" of a FAITHFUL servant.

Eph 1
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in ......himself: !!

According TO:

Eph 1
5] Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will...

Phil 2;
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Until you comprehend the difference between....IS HUMAN....and AS A MAN...
...our understanding will remain conflicted.

I'm just catching this. Are you saying Jesus isn't human? How can He be our kinsmen redeemer if He isn't one of us? In both geneologies; Matt and Luke, He is directly descended from Adam through Mary, not Mary and Joseph.

If this isn't your contention then please disregard.

 

[Taken]

I'm just catching this. Are you saying Jesus isn't human?

Correct. God is Spirit. God does not change.

But I do believe God APPEARED in the LIKENESS as a man, Specifically Jewish and Faithful.

How can He be our kinsmen

Because a Born Again man takes on the Seed of God, becomes spiritually born again, and adopted as a son of God, thus a brethren of Jesus.

redeemer if He isn't one of us?

Because converted men, Jew or Gentile becomes IN His LIKENESS, and thus Justified to be Redeemed.

In both geneologies; Matt and Luke, He is directly descended from Adam through Mary, not Mary and Joseph.

Again, Jesus came to earth as a JEWISH man, effected by Jesus "taking upon himself" the SEED of Abraham...thus making Jesus lawfully (according to mans civil law) a descendant of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, king David, others down to Mary.
Being a Jew and descendant of king David, Jesus is now prepared to lawfully sit on king David's everlasting throne....which will come into fruition, when Jesus sets up His Earthly Kingdom.

If this isn't your contention then please disregard.

Greater detail is in recent previous posts on this thread.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CovenantPromise]

Correct. God is Spirit. God does not change.

But I do believe God APPEARED in the LIKENESS as a man, Specifically Jewish and Faithful.



Because a Born Again man takes on the Seed of God, becomes spiritually born again, and adopted as a son of God, thus a brethren of Jesus.



Because converted men, Jew or Gentile becomes IN His LIKENESS, and thus Justified to be Redeemed.



Again, Jesus came to earth as a JEWISH man, effected by Jesus "taking upon himself" the SEED of Abraham...thus making Jesus lawfully (according to mans civil law) a descendant of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, king David, others down to Mary.
Being a Jew and descendant of king David, Jesus is now prepared to lawfully sit on king David's everlasting throne....which will come into fruition, when Jesus sets up His Earthly Kingdom.



Greater detail is in recent previous posts on this thread.

Glory to God,
Taken

Very strange. Speaking upon the Messiah yet denying everything scripture says about Him. And you are not put in "UNORTHODOX". Does the humor ever cease?

 

[reformed1689]

Nonsense. You have been shown in Scripture everything I said is verifiable in Scripture.

And you have been shown that Jesus is the seed of the woman, God made into flesh.

 

[Ezra]

The "Dynamic Duo" fails again.
Funny how ignorant minds think alike . . .

i see more insults from BOY BLUNDER Christ was God in the flesh but yet he was spiritual being either way back to the porch and drink your milk for new born babes

 

[reformed1689]

Never identify any specific,

This is a flat out lie. I gave you Scripture that you just ignore.

 

[Taken]

Very strange. Speaking upon the Messiah yet denying everything scripture says about Him. And you are not put in "UNORTHODOX". Does the humor ever cease?

I am Laughing...at your empty claim.

Where is this invisible list of my quotes of my supposed denials...? Humm?

And your comparative list of Scriptural quotes that show my supposed quotes DENYING scripture? Humm?

LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

This is a flat out lie. I gave you Scripture that you just ignore.

David, come on, get real.

I have said a lot of things.

Pick ANY specific thing I have said, YOU disagree with, QUOTE that, and THEN show your Scriptural verification.

Responding with a scripture to nothing specific I said, IS NOT identifying ANYTHING specific you are disagreeing with, or responding to!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

And you have been shown that Jesus is the seed of the woman, God made into flesh.

So?
What does Jesus being the "seed of THE woman"...or God "made" into flesh...

Have to do with anything SPECIFIC I said that you disagree with...?

And WHAT is the SPECIFIC thing I SAID...
That your quoted scripture is supposedly attempting to verify what I said is not correct?

IOW David...QUOTE my exact words...
Then QUOTE your Scripture.

So far, you have made random claims, about WHAT Specific? Who knows, you didn't say.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

BreadOFLife ~
David Taylor ~
CovenantPromise ~

Let me make this VERY SIMPLE for y'all.
I will give ONE statement...

YOU can QUOTE MY statement and QUOTE Scripture that PROVES my one statement is FALSE...and move on from there...

Jesus "IS" not "A" Human man.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

i see more insults from BOY BLUNDER Christ was God in the flesh but yet he was spiritual being either way back to the porch and drink your milk for new born babes

It worthy to...
Make a claim...give verifying Scripture...

Another disagrees...okay.
WHY?
They give a Scripture that has NOTHING to do with disagreeing with your claim.
Uh...what does that have to do with anything said?

Response...? Insults.
Disagree with THEM...? Insults.
Challenge THEM...? Commentaries.
Reject THEIR Commentaries...?
Accusations AND Insults AND Deflection.

LOL...it's the SAME nonsense

"IF" "they" could just, PICK a statement of an other persons CLAIM, QUOTE the statement, Make their Disagreement, AND actually QUOTE a Scripture that SHOWS their Disagreement IS VALID!

The ridiculousness and stupid accusations and insults and deflections could fall to the wayside.

1,000's of pages of nonsense...

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Ezra]

BOL has some valid points he refuses to fully clarify .he resorts to insults instead of hitting it head on.. i have tried using scripture with reasoning of my belief.. yes was born as a human he experienced every thing we experience. but yet he was still Christ .jesus asked peter who do YOU say i am peter answered thou art the CHRIST . Jesus was operating in the spirit %100 of the time ..we do not operate in the spirit all the time. we make mistakes we allow our flesh to lead us at times . to be honest it is hard to explain jesus in human flesh but yet still GOD

 

[Nondenom40]

BreadOFLife ~
David Taylor ~
CovenantPromise ~

Let me make this VERY SIMPLE for y'all.
I will give ONE statement...

YOU can QUOTE MY statement and QUOTE Scripture that PROVES my one statement is FALSE...and move on from there...

Jesus "IS" not "A" Human man.

Glory to God,
Taken

If Jesus isn't human then you have no savior. He HAD to be one of us in order to redeem us. Your response to my questions earlier don't add up, sorry.

This was your response to my question regarding kinsmen redeemer;

Because a Born Again man takes on the Seed of God, becomes spiritually born again, and adopted as a son of God, thus a brethren of Jesus.

This is backwards. The whole concept of kinsmen redeemer isn't about us being born again, its about our redeemer being one of us so that HE can offer Himself in our stead. This is why God didn't send an angel to be our propitiation, or continuing animal sacrifices which never can fully remove the penalty of sin. The perfect sacrifice had to be one of us. What was conceived in Mary was a human baby as well as deity.

 

[Ezra]

What was conceived in Mary was a human baby as well as deity.

bingo and that is why he is not just a human being A HUMAN BEING IS the way many looked at christ notice the language in 55-56 Christ can not just be a man . a human being could not do the miracles / works Christ done yes some healed some raides the dead .but it was not them
John 8:57-59 King James Version (KJV)
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Matthew 13:54-58 King James Version (KJV)
54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?

55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

 

[CovenantPromise]

I am Laughing...at your empty claim.

Where is this invisible list of my quotes of my supposed denials...? Humm?

And your comparative list of Scriptural quotes that show my supposed quotes DENYING scripture? Humm?

LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

Please.....you seem to have missed this one Matthew 7:6
6 “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, you can re-read what you skimmed the first time.

TRANSLATION:
"I can't point you to a post because I was never able to refute your Biblical evidence."

Yup - that's what I thought . . .