The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

[Taken]

I said that there is no EXPLICIT teaching in Scripture about Mary's Immaculate Conception -

LOL.. uh huh, because it doesn't exist.
Explicit or Implied.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Yup - Mary DID have a Savior - and He saved her BEFORE she was born.

LOL...Again from philosophical minds of men, and NOT in scripture.

However NOT Trusting Philosophies of men IS IN Scripture.

Col 2
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophyand vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Guess you are unaware of all the famously renoun philosophers were GREEK!

1 John 1: 8
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Mary never claimed to have no sin.

Per Catholic MO... make false claims for others. Which IS Deceit. You claim, Your church claims Mary was without sin.

Without SIN Scripturally Applies to the Lord God.
(Unless you are Catholic and believe deceitful man made claims, that DO NOT APPEAR IN Scripture).

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Another non-answer.
What a surprise . . .

LOL ~ you have asked and been answered to ad nausum.

Nothing in Scripture says Mary was naturally born without sin.
Nothing in Scripture says Mary was without sin.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[reformed1689]

That's a good question!

For in him dwells the whole fullness of the deity bodily

You see the 'whole fullness of God' abode in Mary's womb..

Peace!

Again, what does this have to do with Mary being sinless?

 

[reformed1689]

BOL has already admitted the only truth that matters. His claim, that Mary was naturally born SINNLESS... Does Not exist in Scripture. And I agree.


Glory to God,
Taken

BOL will only accept what the RCC teaches. It doesn't matter if they are proven wrong from Scripture BOL will automatically reject it because of the RCC.

 

[reformed1689]

She was ALREADY sinless.
We know this because the Angel called her "Kecharitomene" - remember?

THAT WORD DOES NOT MEAN SINLESS.

 

[Philip James]

Again, what does this have to do with Mary being sinless?

Can God abide in sin?

 

[CovenantPromise]

Gods Holy Seed, does not birth Humans!
Gods Holy Seed Births (some) Humans a NEW Spirit.

Jesus is Called SINLESS and the Son of God...

Oops Mary was Never Called SINLESS or the Daughter of God...

Glory to God,
Taken

She is Daughter of God the Father,
Mother of God the Son,
and spouse of God the Holy Spirit.

As we are through adoption , Children of God the Father, Mother (AS A CHURCH to the Son of God)
and Spouse because we , as the Body of Christ are His virgin Bride. I don't know what you have been reading but it's clear it's not the bible.

You could only say what you have if you are NOT a child of God,
If you are NOT of the church Body that nurtures and mothers the soul's growth in Christ, if you are NOT of the fold, if you are not a pure unblemished- IMMACULATE soul part of the Virgin Bride of Christ. The Bride is righteous as He is righteous. 1 John 3:6-8
Children of God
…6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 7Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. 8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.…

 

[CovenantPromise]

THAT WORD DOES NOT MEAN SINLESS.

No it doesn't but she is through Mercy and Grace. BOL and I differ to a degree on when her Immaculate Conception happened , minor blip in the radar. He does not EVER deny the INCARNATION , which includes the Mother of Christ . So he has the Spirit of God. The rest are simply doctrinal difference which God is able to work out. She is sinless at her YES it doesn't matter what you think Genesis 3:15 states she would be separated from the serpent, AND SHE WAS IN ALL ASPECTS OF HER BEING, PERIOD!
1 John 3:6-8 Children of God
…6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 7Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. 8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.…

 

[CovenantPromise]

David, who was the son of God revealed to FIRST? This is NOT complicated. Not only revealed but Incarnated of whose flesh that all who follow after may SEE HIM, and that we that do not see but believe may know Him? Who was ever before Him and is His delight day and night? Do you know Mother Miryam (Mary) has full Wisdom? Do you know that when scripture calls Wisdom she , her, my Bride , it is prophecy that Wisdom would be fully embodied of the chosen Woman and flow from her cup to all from the point of her Yes- to such FAVOR ?

 

[reformed1689]

David, who was the son of God revealed to FIRST? This is NOT complicated. Not only revealed but Incarnated of whose flesh that all who follow after may SEE HIM, and that we that do not see but believe may know Him? Who was ever before Him and is His delight day and night? Do you know Mother Miryam (Mary) has full Wisdom? Do you know that when scripture calls Wisdom she , her, my Bride , it is prophecy that Wisdom would be fully embodied of the chosen Woman and flow from her cup to all from the point of her Yes- to such FAVOR ?

Now you are just being stupid. Mary is not Wisdom as written in other places in Scripture. Boy you Catholics are off your rocker when it comes to Bible interpretation.

 

[Taken]

BOL will only accept what the RCC teaches. It doesn't matter if they are proven wrong from Scripture BOL will automatically reject it because of the RCC.

Agree.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[reformed1689]

Can God abide in sin?

This is a red herring. What do you mean when you say abide, and how does that relate to Mary?

 

[Philip James]

This is a red herring. What do you mean when you say abide, and how does that relate to Mary?

From miram webster:
: to continue in a place : SOJOURN. will abide in the house of the Lord

So then can God 'continue in Mary's womb' unless there be no sin?
Can God abide in sin?

Peace!

 

[CovenantPromise]

Now you are just being stupid. Mary is not Wisdom as written in other places in Scripture. Boy you Catholics are off your rocker when it comes to Bible interpretation.

Really? Well you know I will put up, and won't shut up. Even with your 66 Book Canon I can prove it. The 73 Book Canon will shine an even greater light on that TRUTH. The 81-88 book Canon well....the GREATEST. That will be brought from an Elect out of Ethiopia to other Elect who survive the Sixth Seal. It will be given to the Elect on Mount Zion= Those who stand on the Sign, the indication or MARKER of Immanuel with us (Who will be in Israel). Ethiopia will bring a gift to the Elect men- PRIEST and women Mother's who nurture Christ in men. Anyway, Mother Miryam (Mary) is purposed for Wisdom in full from her cup to the Elect of all generations to the last who are to live during the time of tribulation. They will be fed heavenly manna . When the Temple of God is opened men will be destroyed for their blasphemy against the Ark (IN HEAVEN) as we speak. While judgement is for the heathen, manna is for the Elect who will be preserved through all the events that are soon to come upon the WHOLE EARTH, not just a place here and there, but a GLOBAL tribulation unseen since the world began.

 

[Taken]

She is Daughter of God the Father,
Mother of God the Son,
and spouse of God the Holy Spirit.

As "we" are through adoption ,

"We":
Applicable to OT Faithful To God.
"We"
Applicable to the Converted IN Christ.

NOT news to me, and have said so.

I don't know what you have been reading but it's clear it's not the bible.

You could only say what you have ,

You OMITTED...precisely what I said that you object To.

How about you
SKIP:
Your wondering...what Bible I use.
SKIP:
Your inplication I am not Included in "we".
SKIP:
Your Lecture.

How about You precisely Identify exactly the "words" I said YOU object To?

Glory To God,
Taken

 

[reformed1689]

From miram webster:
: to continue in a place : SOJOURN. will abide in the house of the Lord

So then can God 'continue in Mary's womb' unless there be no sin?
Can God abide in sin?

Peace!

Ok, thanks for an English dictionary, show biblically, what this has to do with Mary with Greek/Hebrew et all.

 

[CovenantPromise]

"BOL will only accept what the RCC teaches. It doesn't matter if they are proven wrong from Scripture BOL will automatically reject it because of the RCC."

Agree.

Glory to God,
Taken

REALLY? And you? It is clear you ONLY accept Protestant nonsense !

Glory to God? How can you say that when you reject most all He teaches. More like glory to yourself! I find it funny......your men (doctrinal fathers) built your body out of sin, murder -DEATH -CHAOS! Its foundation was laid from men who reject TRUTH! Yet you walk around like your men were meek and godly and your doctrine sound. See, you fail to see that there are TWO trains of thought which have come out of Rome. There is the Harlot body, which you are from ,she is FOLLY. She sits in the HEIGHTS of the city= likes high positions and grandeur . Proverbs 9:13The Way of Folly
13The woman named Folly is loud; she is naive and knows nothing. 14She sits at the door of her house, on a seat in the heights of the city,…
Your men on behalf of folly, MURDERED and persecuted (and persecutes to this day) the TRUE Body of Rome.

The true Body of Christ is like Christ , meek and humble and comes in riding in on an ass which means- not looking to dominate but persuade . Not looking to use force , but to appeal to right reason. Not looking to subjugate by strength of arms , which is not a miracle. But rather through utterance in wisdom. There is no pomp or arrogance, NO self righteousness . The Harlot got to work early on to malign the True Body. And your men bought her betrayal hook, line and sinker. They then went out and destroyed all the righteousness they could and did to it as they willed! Bequeathed by their OWN authority they did the most heinous crimes!

As I said there are two distinct groups from Rome . One is the harlot body of the spirit of folly- satan's knowledge and the other -the Children of Christ nurtured by the Mother of Christ. And I am not talking about men walking around with Rosary beads but their teachings and actions are anything other than meek and obedient, "you know them by their fruits", I am not talking about the coat tail riders.

Proverbs 9:
The Way of Wisdom
1Wisdom has built her house;

she has carved out her seven pillars.

Can you tell me what the seven pillars of Wisdom are? Now keep in mind, pillars are built upon the foundation and lend SUPPORT to the house they are the source of strength for the Body. Do you know what they are?

 

[CovenantPromise]

Taken,
Again the seven Pillars are built UPON the foundation and no one lay an other foundation than what is already laid and that is Christ- Jesus.Your men tried to change all that, following the harlot's lead.
1 Corinthians 3:10-12
Christ Our Foundation
10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one must be careful how he builds. 11For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw,…
The Church of Rome no matter how you turn it was grafted in by DIRECT influence of apostles (Peter and Paul). And Mother Miryam devotion was set up by Paul directly in Romans 6
King James Version
Greet Mary, who bestowed much labour on us.

Darby Bible Translation
Salute Maria, who laboured much for you.

World English Bible
Greet Mary, who labored much for us.

Young's Literal Translation
Salute Mary, who did labour much for us;

In the Septuagint:
16:6 Ἀσπάσασθε Μαριάν ,ἥτις πολλὰ ἐκοπίασεν εἰς ὑμᾶς .
Greet Miryam who toiled much for us.

This is the ONLY Hebrew name in this letter who was this Miryam who toiled/laboured for us? I will reveal with the rest of the letter later.

So a pillar is a established teaching which lends support for the body and is BUILT UPON the tenets of the foundation. It is in direct support of/from Christ's teachings and are encouragements which lend help for the house.

 

[CovenantPromise]

Ok, thanks for an English dictionary, show biblically, what this has to do with Mary with Greek/Hebrew et all.

It seems you better stick with English because that has even proven hard for you. You will definitely fail with the Greek and Hebrew .