The Crippling Effects of Christian Dogma - Mindless Parroting of Apologetics

[Behold]

They had bishops with a pedigree going back to the Apostles.

One of them you are referring to .....is "Valentinus" = who almost became a POPE.

He is the "Father of Gnosticism".

So, there is one your "church fathers"..

 

[St. SteVen]

"ANTI-CATHOLICISM IS A TRADITION OF MEN" - @Jude Thaddeus

Seems that... CATHOLICISM IS ALSO A TRADITION OF MEN (much more so than ANTI-CATHOLICISM)

What could be MORE traditional than Catholicism? (claiming Apostolic succession from the early church)

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[Jude Thaddeus]

"ANTI-CATHOLICISM IS A TRADITION OF MEN" - @Jude Thaddeus

Seems that... CATHOLICISM IS ALSO A TRADITION OF MEN (much more so than ANTI-CATHOLICISM)

What could be MORE traditional than Catholicism? (claiming Apostolic succession from the early church)

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Your insults is beneath your dignity.

APOSTOLIC AUTHORITY AND SUCCESSION - Scripture Catholic

Contents1 Scripture1.1 I. Ordained Leaders Share in Jesus’ Ministry and Authority1.2 II. Authority is Transferred by the Sacrament of Ordination1.3 III. Jesus Wants Us to Obey Apostolic Authority2 Tradition / Church Fathers2.1 I. The Church Has Apostolic Succession2.2 II. Authority is...

www.scripturecatholic.com

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
"ANTI-CATHOLICISM IS A TRADITION OF MEN" - @Jude Thaddeus
Seems that... CATHOLICISM IS ALSO A TRADITION OF MEN (much more so than ANTI-CATHOLICISM) What could be MORE traditional than Catholicism? (claiming Apostolic succession from the early church)

Your insults is beneath your dignity.

Not intended as an insult. Genuine observations and questions.
I actually appreciate your input. Your POV is in contrast to mine.

As I understand it, Catholicism is the MOST traditional denomination I know of.
(and you will probably remind me that Catholicism is NOT a denomination)

So, how can you claim that ANTI-CATHOLICISM is a tradition of men?
Seems incredibly hypocritical to me.

Perhaps the beam needs to be removed from your own eye before you attempt to remove the speck from ours.

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[Spyder]

WHEN did this monumental event take place that no one noticed until the middle of a revolt?

I don't what "sects" you are talking about. Gnosticism (1st and 2nd Centuries), Montanism (Late 2nd Century), Sabellianism (Early 3rd Century), Arianism (4th Century) were not sects, they were dangerous heresies.

They had bishops with a pedigree going back to the Apostles. You are trying to Protestantize the first few centuries with this nonsense of immediate corruption. They only way you can do that is to re-write early church history so it fits 21st century paradigms. This leads into a denial of the "corrupt" councils that ratified the canon of the New Testament in the late 3rd century, cutting off the very limb you are sitting on.

Yes, when Jesus walked the earth. And the authority Jesus gave to His Church corrupted after the Ascension??? That makes no sense.

Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truth—in a word, to know himself—so that, by knowing and loving God, men and women may also come to the fullness of truth about themselves (cf. Ex 33:18; Ps 27:8-9; 63:2-3; Jn 14:8; 1 Jn 3:2).
ON THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN FAITH AND REASON

I see. I will guess that you have read the extensive research of the ECF and their behavior. That being said, when Jesus warned His followers that this would happen, just what century do you this the prophecy took place? Obviously, you don't think it happened within the first 300 years.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh, then you are blessed to be amidst a group of Christians who actually study the scriptures and gather together to discuss how the passages fit each other or go against each other then pray to God for truth! That is great. I, however, see only those who read commentaries and learn what the preacher says.

Soooo, if a person doesn't study the Scriptures according to YOUR blueprint - then it's MOT legitimate? That's a pretty myopic and arrogant view.

Anyway, I was responding to your statement that the Church is the "sole" source of truth for most people.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

I see. I will guess that you have read the extensive research of the ECF and their behavior. That being said, when Jesus warned His followers that this would happen, just what century do you this the prophecy took place? Obviously, you don't think it happened within the first 300 years.

St. SteVen said:
"ANTI-CATHOLICISM IS A TRADITION OF MEN" - @Jude Thaddeus
Seems that... CATHOLICISM IS ALSO A TRADITION OF MEN (much more so than ANTI-CATHOLICISM) What could be MORE traditional than Catholicism? (claiming Apostolic succession from the early church)

Not intended as an insult. Genuine observations and questions.
I actually appreciate your input. Your POV is in contrast to mine.

As I understand it, Catholicism is the MOST traditional denomination I know of.
(and you will probably remind me that Catholicism is NOT a denomination)

So, how can you claim that ANTI-CATHOLICISM is a tradition of men?
Seems incredibly hypocritical to me.

Why don't you brows through the massive list of anti-Catholics in the link provided and find out for yourself.

Perhaps the beam needs to be removed from your own eye before you attempt to remove the speck from ours.

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Perhaps you need to let go of your false definition of "tradition", which amounts to fallacious reasoning.

"Tradition" Isn't A Dirty Word

Explanation of the Catholic notion of apostolic, sacred tradition, which is always harmonious with Holy Scripture.

www.patheos.com

 

[BreadOfLife]

St. SteVen said:
"ANTI-CATHOLICISM IS A TRADITION OF MEN" - @Jude Thaddeus
Seems that... CATHOLICISM IS ALSO A TRADITION OF MEN (much more so than ANTI-CATHOLICISM) What could be MORE traditional than Catholicism? (claiming Apostolic succession from the early church)

Not intended as an insult. Genuine observations and questions.
I actually appreciate your input. Your POV is in contrast to mine.

As I understand it, Catholicism is the MOST traditional denomination I know of.
(and you will probably remind me that Catholicism is NOT a denomination)

So, how can you claim that ANTI-CATHOLICISM is a tradition of men?
Seems incredibly hypocritical to me.

Perhaps the beam needs to be removed from your own eye before you attempt to remove the speck from ours.

WRONG.

In Acts 1, when the Apostles and others gathered together to elect a successor for Judas - Peter quotes Psalm 109 when he says:

Acts 1:20
Let another take his office.”

The Greek word for “office” used here is “Episkopay”, which means Bishopric.
This is a successive office.

When Peter was crucified, Linus took his place as Bishop if Rome. Anacletus succeeded Linus, and so on.
After the death of James, who was Bishop of Jerusalem, Cleopas took his place.

Every Bishop can trace his lineage back to an Apostle.

And since the Catholic Church can trace itself al l the way back to Jesus and the Apostles, - it is anti-Catholicism that is a tradition of men . . .

 

[St. SteVen]

Why don't you brows through the massive list of anti-Catholics in the link provided and find out for yourself.

Build bridges, not walls.

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[BreadOfLife]

Build bridges, not walls.

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When YOU fail to do your homework - you do the same thing . . .

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Build bridges, not walls.

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see CCC817-820 That's building bridges. Vatican II ended the need for a so called reformation. The war is over. Radical prots are like the Japanese solders who hid for years in the jungle, not knowing WWII ended years pervious. We hand them an olive branch, and they spit on it. When will radical prots start building bridges? Don't hold your breath.

 

[St. SteVen]

From the OP.

When will they wake up and realize we are ONE body under the headship of Christ?

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[Jude Thaddeus]

From the OP.

When will they wake up and realize we are ONE body under the headship of Christ?

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CCC817-820 affirms we are ONE body under the headship of Christ.

 

[St. SteVen]

CCC817-820 affirms we are ONE body under the headship of Christ.

Why do you disagree?

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[Spyder]

We are not one body.

We split up right away after at the end of the first century. It is kind of funny that most churches today will claim to be orthodox when they are so far from the first century church that existed before 70 A.D.

 

[Behold]

We are not one body.

"Christianity" is "the body of Christ" and that is "one".

Denominations are not "one" they are many...= 45,000 worldwide.

 

[Lambano]

We are not one body.

We split up right away after at the end of the first century. It is kind of funny that most churches today will claim to be orthodox when they are so far from the first century church that existed before 70 A.D.

More quickly than that.

11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Ce’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 1:11-12)

11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. (Galatians 2:11-12)

Sectarianism. It's biblical. We've been doing it since almost day 1.

Sects, sects, sects. We're obsessed with sects.

 

[St. SteVen]

We are not one body.

We split up right away after at the end of the first century.

Is the split real or perceived?

Are not all Christian a part of the Body of Christ? (one body) ???

Agree that we should ACT like it. That's more the problem. IMHO

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[St. SteVen]

We're obsessed with sects.

LOL



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[Spyder]

Is the split real or perceived?

Are not all Christian a part of the Body of Christ? (one body) ???

Agree that we should ACT like it. That's more the problem. IMHO

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Only Yahweh can identify which of us are truly "Christians" based on His view.