The broad spectrum of Christianity VERSUS the narrow-minded view

[Dan Clarkston]

That’s all I posted and you claimed that I was part of some Satanic cult.

I asked if you were... I did not claim that you were

It sounded as though you were saying some people that believe in Jesus were not eligible to be saved, so yeah I should have backed and read more to make sure that was what was being said.

No Christian would say those that believe in Jesus are not eligible to be saved.

Speaking of people that believe in Jesus... not angels

Then you agreed that fallen angels are not eligible to be saved, so what are you going on about?

The confusion must be on your end

 

[RLT63]

I asked if you were... I did not claim that you were

It sounded as though you were saying some people that believe in Jesus were not eligible to be saved, so yeah I should have backed and read more to make sure that was what was being said.





Speaking of people that believe in Jesus... not angels





The confusion must be on your end View attachment 57294

You’ve attributed something to me that I didn’t post. There is no confusion on my end, everyone reading this forum can judge for themselves.
I’m done with this, moving on

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You’ve attributed something to me that I didn’t post.

Well, somebody was saying fallen angels can and would be saved so my mistake if that was not you saying that.

 

[Lizbeth]

You and I are not as far apart on this as I imagined.
I have even written about this, but from a different angle.

DECONSTRUCTION - How far is too far?

This is somewhat of a follow-up to my previous topic from June 23, 2023: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/is-there-a-cure-for-my-religious-upbringing-other-than-atheism-i-mean.56346/ Here's another video that talks specifically about the process of deconstruction that Sara Martin went...

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Take A Stand - Stand to gain, or stand to lose?

I was asked a question recently about why I am still in the church? Good question. This led to me thinking about the larger subject of taking a stand. What does that look like? Or what could it look like? Over the years I have known many individuals that have taken issue with the church and...

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There are a lot of problems with "Churchianity"....churches don't even function according to biblical example and instruction. But we very much need to not throw the baby and the bathtub out with the bathwater. Over-correction happens easily and then we get a pendulum effect of one extreme to the other, instead of simply returning to and staying the right course, not looking to the right or the left.

 

[Lizbeth]

In other words you are unaware of warnings in God's Word about all the false teachers and false doctrine in the end times.

All the various denominational churches as well as the non-denominational churches are breeding grounds for satan's false doctrine achieved largely due to peer pressure due to everyone's desire to be accepted which ultimately causes many to put acceptance by men to be more important than acceptance by the Lord.

And so they seek to please men instead of the Lord.

Amen. The church has unfortunately fallen prey to the political correctness of the world.

 

[St. SteVen]

There are a lot of problems with "Churchianity"....churches don't even function according to biblical example and instruction. But we very much need to not throw the baby and the bathtub out with the bathwater. Over-correction happens easily and then we get a pendulum effect of one extreme to the other, instead of simply returning to and staying the right course, not looking to the right or the left.

Agree.
Are you a part of the problem or a part of the solution?

Not sure we can effect positive change from the outside.

--- PARODY ---

Church with protestor picketing outside as people enter for worship.
The picket sign reads: Down with Churchianity

Church Member: What are you doing?
Protestor: Protesting against the church.
Church Member: How come?
Protestor: The church isn't functioning according to biblical example!
Church Member: Are you sure you want that?
Protestor: We should follow the Bible!
Church Member: Doesn't the Bible say we shouldn't neglect attendance.
Protestor: Yes, but there are no good churches.
Church Member: BINGO!
Protestor: What? !!!
Church Member: If you ever find the perfect church, don't join it.
Protestor: Why not?
Church Member: You'll ruin it. - LOL

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[Lizbeth]

Agree.
Are you a part of the problem or a part of the solution?

Not sure we can effect positive change from the outside.

--- PARODY ---

Church with protestor picketing outside as people enter for worship.
The picket sign reads: Down with Churchianity

Church Member: What are you doing?
Protestor: Protesting against the church.
Church Member: How come?
Protestor: The church isn't functioning according to biblical example!
Church Member: Are you sure you want that?
Protestor: We should follow the Bible!
Church Member: Doesn't the Bible say we shouldn't neglect attendance.
Protestor: Yes, but there are no good churches.
Church Member: BINGO!
Protestor: What? !!!
Church Member: If you ever find the perfect church, don't join it.
Protestor: Why not?
Church Member: You'll ruin it. - LOL

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Well, that is the problem. Trying to take matters into our own hands to fix them...always leads to more problems, just different ones. That's the reason for the ol' pendulum effect.

 

[Johann]

Well, that is the problem. Trying to take matters into our own hands to fix them...always leads to more problems, just different ones. That's the reason for the ol' pendulum effect.

A precarious fulcrum-swinging from one extreme to the other.

J.

 

[St. SteVen]

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How many baptisms are there? Just one

In Ephesians, Paul identifies just one baptism: 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. However, it was recently pointed out in...

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[Dan Clarkston]

The picket sign reads: Down with Churchianity

And Down with profanity!

I've noticed in the past few years more and ,more people claiming to be Christians.... cuss like sailors!

They be talkin like a bunch of drunk inbred rednexx

 

[Lambano]

And Down with profanity!

I've noticed in the past few years more and ,more people claiming to be Christians.... cuss like sailors!

They be talkin like a bunch of drunk inbred rednexx View attachment 57421

“I have three things I'd like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don't give a s#*t. What's worse is that you're more upset with the fact that I said 's#*t' than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night.” - Rev. Tony Campolo.​

 

[MatthewG]

“I have three things I'd like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don't give a s#*t. What's worse is that you're more upset with the fact that I said 's#*t' than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night.” - Rev. Tony Campolo.​

In that place it's nothing new to them though. Ya know? Im not a humanitarian personally. People live and die every single day. Starving, or not. Some people are murdered by their own son, or daughter, or a mother killing their children. The truth is, Rev. Tony Campolo, Life is given, and it's taken. I can't do much. And You're right, people are dying right in our own back yard.


I don't think humanitary philosophy really matters. There are frauds who make fake "help us in this place" then take off with the money. Could just donate something to St. Jude.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

“I have three things I'd like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don't give a s#*t. What's worse is that you're more upset with the fact that I said 's#*t' than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night.” - Rev. Tony Campolo.

First off the so called "reverend" Tony Campolo is a false teacher who is a big supported of the ecumenical movement and of course he cusses because he's a follower of the false doctrines of OSAS so he most like has lots of other sinful behavior in his life.

Teaching heresy is a work of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21) and he's certainly guilty of that... so it's no wonder he has a potty mouth like some inbred redneck meth head biker.

Secondly... it's very telling that he considers eating to be more important than salvation

 

[MatthewG]

I cuss with people who cuss. Doesn't make a person not have a relationship with Yahavah. That is just silly... @Dan Clarkson.

Pretending to be so holy, and right in front of God, is just a facade. Ain't no one perfect in this life. Might as well be able to admit things in front of people, if you are comfortable enough with them. However when people are phony... lol. Man what a waste of life in my opinion though.

On the subject of food though; Spiritual food is what people need the most. Jesus was hungry... and thus we on the flip side are normally hungry for some mana. Unless a person just doesn't give a

Spoiler: diggity dang

damn

about God, or anything to do with him. We still have to love them, and maybe eat a meal with them if they wanna go out to eat. Maybe be humble and lowly, rather than high minded toward them.

A hard battle I fight myself, only the strength of Yeshua gets me through by and through his Spirit, the Spirit of Christ. Praise be to Yahavah.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

And Down with profanity!

I've noticed in the past few years more and ,more people claiming to be Christians.... cuss like sailors!

They be talkin like a bunch of drunk inbred rednexx View attachment 57421

Such people most likely have to work a bastard job mate, that most people will not do in fact, for if they did work in such places they would be the worse offenders of all in fact !

One religious ignoramus I know very well, will not work at all in fact ! Now he does get upset at times and does use profanity words, but stops and looks up and say sorry lord. Now that is to no avail in fact ! as who or why is he put on such a display of repentance ?
Not to mention another simpleton mate also does the same thing as the other religious idiot in regards to such words, but just replaces the first letter with an M or some other childish word, I know what it means, everyone does ! but hey religious idiots let such slide !
Well I don't, for I am not fooled by such and nor is God in fact !

But it's all about ones intent in fact that is the issue regarding reality ! Both of the above people will rip another person off in a heart beat in fact !
So it's all a fast ! I dispise such displays totaly ! it's a creep show ! boring displays of ignorance total !

I have no regard people using profanity around me at all, all my working life such was so and it never hurt me at all, but I do totaly despise people who are of Malice ! Ill will toward others, so as to undermine people for ones own gain. or bagging another for some stupid prejudice they hold against them, like, oh he is a working person.
So Lets go and live in our fantasy land ! and play the game that we are above such as them ?
But then again the era of the times can and does take hold of fools of this world, for set standards are set ? like Political Correctness god's are Idols to Themselves !
For they do not have a handle on the realitys of such things in any depth at all in fact ! for they are just dupes as they are on the same page as any Carnal moron, One can act a part that one has some class ? but is it truly worthy of Class ! That's the real issue, is it not.

For how can one have true Class, if you do not posses the Grace of God !
For this world is Full of Deceptions and Delusions, if you do believe Jesus did point this out for very good reason.

The Truth is all that matters, be truthfull to yourself and others, never play games with deception. and that's what I can see in two faced people. for they are not truly worth talking with. it's all double dutch babbleing nonsense, I call such that they have a Demon for it is a Curse in fact that they have. it's hard to wake them out of such for their ego is tyed up in it all. they think they are serving a god ! when it's a Idol in fact !

 

[St. SteVen]

“I have three things I'd like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don't give a s#*t. What's worse is that you're more upset with the fact that I said 's#*t' than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night.” - Rev. Tony Campolo.​

Thanks. That's such a great quote.
I actually heard it as the audio version of a sermon/talk.
Shocking, but effective. Been a fan ever since.

I loved the story he told about his Jewish neighbor that he walked to school with.
Or more to the point, the difference between his Italian mother and the Jewish boy's mother.
When Tony left for school, his Mom would ask, "Do you have your lunch?"
When the Jewish boy left for school, his Mom would ask, "Do you have your books?" - LOL

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[St. SteVen]

New topic:

Can a believer be a part of the Body of Christ without being water baptized?

On another topic we were discussing baptisms. I think the actual subject of the topic was the evidence for the baptism with the Holy Spirit. But somehow we veered into questions about water baptism and salvation. At least one individual had strong feelings about the necessity of water baptism...

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[Dan Clarkston]

Such people most likely have to work a bastard job mate

What??? I job that has no father???

One religious ignoramus I know very well, will not work at all in fact ! Now he does get upset at times and does use profanity words, but stops and looks up and say sorry lord. Now that is to no avail in fact ! as who or why is he put on such a display of repentance ?

His repentance is not valid because he continues to so the sin he knows is wrong... but he keeps doing it anyway.



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[Reggie Belafonte]

What??? I job that has no father???





His repentance is not valid because he continues to so the sin he knows is wrong... but he keeps doing it anyway.



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Ones Repentance ? and a worldly display of such fip side displays ? such is too an Idol ?

Clearly you have never had to do a Job that was a real pain for you too have to do ? because maybe you would never do such a thing, just like my mate and many i know would never do such a thing, that's for other people to do and not them ? much like Dr Smith, on Lost in Space ? I know of such people, they look down on people who so such work ? but if we were all like such ? where would socierty be ?

I remember a History of stuck up class of people like that in the UK.

 

[St. SteVen]

New topic:

At what point does a believer join the Body of Christ?

In a previous topic I asked the question: Can a believer be a part of the Body of Christ without being water baptized? https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/can-a-believer-be-a-part-of-the-body-of-christ-without-being-water-baptized.67769/ Lack of response and seeming confusion caused by...

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