The broad spectrum of Christianity VERSUS the narrow-minded view

[Lizbeth]

Are you proposing that all believers should leave the church? If so, for what reason? Doctrinal disagreements?

Everyone could find something to disagree with in a church. I stay in the church despite my differences.
The church is doing TONS of good. I support my local church. Some really wonderful folks. Great fellowship.

Do you think everyone should sit at home and grump about what's wrong with the church?

Psalm 122:1 NIV
I rejoiced with those who said to me,
“Let us go to the house of the Lord.”

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I think there is a matter of growth and "by now you ought to be teachers." There's a "separating" that occurs in the heart, a separating from what is false and of the flesh because of growing and learning and realizing. A cutting of the umbilical cord so to speak. If necessary and if the Lord leads, then we might need to leave physically, it may be untenable to stay. This has to do with the reality of the times we are living in. Nowadays it is hard to find a fellowship that is half-way "kosher" because most are preaching outright false gospels.....we are not to be unequally yoked with false gospels - we can't be co-labouring with things that are blatantly false and leading souls astray when it's more than just a matter of minor doctrinal disagreement. I believe this is why so many have felt to leave physically in recent times, a matter of conscience and/or the Lord leading them to leave, because this is a time of apostasy. Two times the Lord had to practically yank me out of two different churches at a certain critical point, because of my reluctance and slowness to leave.

It's a kind of mystery that is hard to explain and I don't know that I fully understand it myself....in the old testament Egypt was a picture of apostasy and so was Sodom. As well as the Israelites coming out of Babylon. These all got judged, but in "departing" such, the Lord kept a remnant safe from judgment. In scripture "Jerusalem", a figure of the church, was called Sodom and Egypt, and also referred to as Babylon in one place. Mystery Babylon in Rev was about the judgment of Jerusalem. It happened to the "Jew first" in 70 AD, and I believe it is happening "to the Gentile" church now in the end of this age, in a spiritual sense.....judgment in the form of strong delusion.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. That's the gospel, the preaching of JESUS the CHRIST. That's the foolishness of preaching that has POWER to save. Nothing else has power to save, certainly not the wisdom of this world and men. And it has power to offend....the offence of the cross. If someone goes around preaching Buddha or new age, people don't get offended, but the name of Jesus offends. His name has power. Jesus is a stumbling block to many, because it is foolishness to the PERISHING.....as the bible says. God's wisdom is beyond finding out, His ways are not man's ways.

For it is THE POWER of GOD unto all who do beleive , jew or gentile .
I am not ashamed of the gospel of GOD ..................
SEEMS TO ME that many even within christendom SURE ARE ASHAMED of the POWER of GOD , THE GOSPEL OF GOD
and rather do exactly what JOHN warned not too .
THEY unify with those who deny JESUS is the CHRIST .
THEY do all to find common ground with those who DENY JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
and yet what concord has beleivers with unbelievers
TODAYS MEN , whose love is for a lie , holler loudly and bodly , COME YE ONE and cOME YE ALL
for we all serve the same God and its not necessary at all to repent to beleive JESUS is the CHRIST .
rather odd , WHEN JOHN wrote to the church
HE said this . HE who does NOT believe the TESTIMONY that GOD gave of the SON , calls GOD a LIAR .
now how on earth can all them other CHRIST DENYING , NON BELIVING IN THE TESTMONY OF GOD
calling GOD a liar , be serving the same GOD we do in different ways . NO mam , THEY CALL GOD A LIAR .

 

[amigo de christo]

I think there is a matter of growth and "by now you ought to be teachers." There's a "separating" that occurs in the heart, a separating from what is false and of the flesh because of growing and learning and realizing. A cutting of the umbilical cord so to speak. If necessary and if the Lord leads, then we might need to leave physically, it may be untenable to stay. This has to do with the reality of the times we are living in. Nowadays it is hard to find a fellowship that is half-way "kosher" because most are preaching outright false gospels.....we are not to be unequally yoked with false gospels - we can't be co-labouring with things that are blatantly false and leading souls astray when it's more than just a matter of minor doctrinal disagreement. I believe this is why so many have felt to leave physically in recent times, a matter of conscience and/or the Lord leading them to leave, because this is a time of apostasy. Two times the Lord had to practically yank me out of two different churches at a certain critical point, because of my reluctance and slowness to leave.

It's a kind of mystery that is hard to explain and I don't know that I fully understand it myself....in the old testament Egypt was a picture of apostasy and so was Sodom. As well as the Israelites coming out of Babylon. These all got judged, but in "departing" such, the Lord kept a remnant safe from judgment. In scripture "Jerusalem", a figure of the church, was called Sodom and Egypt, and also referred to as Babylon in one place. Mystery Babylon in Rev was about the judgment of Jerusalem. It happened to the "Jew first" in 70 AD, and I believe it is happening "to the Gentile" church now in the end of this age, in a spiritual sense.....judgment in the form of strong delusion.

If any comes and brings not this teaching , Let them NOT into your house , BID THEM not even god speed
for he who does so is partaker of their evil deeds .
THAT SURE DONT SOUND LIKE , LETS JUST FIND COMMON GROUND to me .
Rather it sounds like its time for those trapped in this other gospel charade and their churches
to do one thing .
SAME thing paul warned , GOD had warned and etc
COME YE OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE
partake not of her sins .................lest ye recieve of her plagues
FOR STRONG IS THE LORD GOD who shall SOON JUDGE that HARLOT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. That's the gospel, the preaching of JESUS the CHRIST. That's the foolishness of preaching that has POWER to save. Nothing else has power to save, certainly not the wisdom of this world and men. And it has power to offend....the offence of the cross. If someone goes around preaching Buddha or new age, people don't get offended, but the name of Jesus offends. His name has power. Jesus is a stumbling block to many, because it is foolishness to the PERISHING.....as the bible says. God's wisdom is beyond finding out, His ways are not man's ways.

 

[Lizbeth]

Notice what paul says IS THE POWER OF GOD , THE GOSPEL , BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST .
Now lets forward to a letter he wrote to timothy and i want you to notice something .
Concerning the last days .
They shall have a form of godliness but deny THE POWER thereof . Now look at again
at what is going on right now with interfaith , CHRIST DENYING , love.
IT has a form of godliness , of good works , BUT IT SURE DO DENY THE TRUE GOSPEL OF , THE POWER OF GOD .
Here it is right in front of our faces and growing like a green bray tree .
and many now join hand in hand believing they shall attain world peace n safety .
BUT though hand join with hand they will never attain PEACE
for there is NO PEACE unto the wicked . rather ITS SUDDEN destructoin from above .

Amen!.... it's the power of God unto.....salvation! And nothing else is.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. That's the gospel, the preaching of JESUS the CHRIST. That's the foolishness of preaching that has POWER to save. Nothing else has power to save, certainly not the wisdom of this world and men. And it has power to offend....the offence of the cross. If someone goes around preaching Buddha or new age, people don't get offended, but the name of Jesus offends. His name has power. Jesus is a stumbling block to many, because it is foolishness to the PERISHING.....as the bible says. God's wisdom is beyond finding out, His ways are not man's ways.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen!.... it's the power of God unto.....salvation! And nothing else is.

 

[Marvelloustime]

How is interfaith and inclusion hate .
You my friend have asked the right question .
Ye shall NOT HATE your neighbor in your heart , you shall in any way rebuke them and not ALLOW SIN UPON THEM .
Hey , newsflash , preaching that other false religoins serve the same GOD we do in different ways
IS A LIE . UNBELIEF in JESUS THE CHRIST , IS SIN . This pope and tons of others preach a lie
to this people . A lie that has TROD CHRIST right under foot and shall destroy all who partake of it .
NOW THAT, my friend , IS HATE . Time to flee that interfaith delusion and TIME to remind all that draws
breath of the absolute dire need to BELIEVE the TESTIMONY that GOD have of THE SON
For any who beleives not the testimony that GOD gave of the SON , THEY CALLING GOD A LIAR .
kinda hard to be serving the same GOD as us WHEN THEY CALL OUR GOD A LIAR BUD .
This is that peace which is of anti christ and it has been sent to gather all unbeleivers , all who loved a lie
to gather as one and have common ground . believing they will bring peace on earth and to the middle east .
RATHER ODD it is anti christ that does this move . and through PEACE shall HE destroy many .
Guess we know from whence INTERFAITH cometh and WHO its leading all the decieved to merge as one under .
IT AINT GOD . Though this spirit and spirits have convinced them lost souls IT IS GOD , IT IS HIS LOVE
and yet its love SURE HAS MADE THE PATH , VERY , VERY , and i do mean VERY BROAD
and has even DENIED HE who leads the true sheep ON The NARROW road . You all better watch out .
seems some here love a delusion that has been sent to merge all of the lost to be as one under what it calleth love
what it cliams is loving and of GOD . Watch out , many seducers now abound . Friend , THEY WEAR WOOL TOO >

@amigo de christo

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You should just admit when you're wrong and move on.

In other words you are unaware of warnings in God's Word about all the false teachers and false doctrine in the end times.

All the various denominational churches as well as the non-denominational churches are breeding grounds for satan's false doctrine achieved largely due to peer pressure due to everyone's desire to be accepted which ultimately causes many to put acceptance by men to be more important than acceptance by the Lord.

And so they seek to please men instead of the Lord.

 

[RLT63]

In other words you are unaware of warnings in God's Word about all the false teachers and false doctrine in the end times.

All the various denominational churches as well as the non-denominational churches are breeding grounds for satan's false doctrine achieved largely due to peer pressure due to everyone's desire to be accepted which ultimately causes many to put acceptance by men to be more important than acceptance by the Lord.

And so they seek to please men instead of the Lord.

That has nothing to do with what I posted.
But it's okay, let's just move on

 

[St. SteVen]

I think there is a matter of growth and "by now you ought to be teachers." There's a "separating" that occurs in the heart, a separating from what is false and of the flesh because of growing and learning and realizing. A cutting of the umbilical cord so to speak. If necessary and if the Lord leads, then we might need to leave physically, it may be untenable to stay. This has to do with the reality of the times we are living in. Nowadays it is hard to find a fellowship that is half-way "kosher" because most are preaching outright false gospels.....we are not to be unequally yoked with false gospels - we can't be co-labouring with things that are blatantly false and leading souls astray when it's more than just a matter of minor doctrinal disagreement. I believe this is why so many have felt to leave physically in recent times, a matter of conscience and/or the Lord leading them to leave, because this is a time of apostasy. Two times the Lord had to practically yank me out of two different churches at a certain critical point, because of my reluctance and slowness to leave.

You and I are not as far apart on this as I imagined.
I have even written about this, but from a different angle.

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[amigo de christo]

You and I are not as far apart on this as I imagined.
I have even written about this, but from a different angle.

DECONSTRUCTION - How far is too far?

This is somewhat of a follow-up to my previous topic from June 23, 2023: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/is-there-a-cure-for-my-religious-upbringing-other-than-atheism-i-mean.56346/ Here's another video that talks specifically about the process of deconstruction that Sara Martin went...

www.christianityboard.com

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I was asked a question recently about why I am still in the church? Good question. This led to me thinking about the larger subject of taking a stand. What does that look like? Or what could it look like? Over the years I have known many individuals that have taken issue with the church and...

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you and her beleif are as far apart as can be . SHE aint going around making void
the word of JESUS and declaring interfaith and the wisdom of men .
Your angel of interfaith is your down fall .
Even a broke clock can be right twice a day , but tis still a broke clock .
Interfaith is the song of death sung to the dead and the dead will hear it
and beleive its song leadeth to salvation , peace n safety , to GOD .
But that there song is the song of the pied piper who sings in the darkness
and cries it is the light
and the blind say WE SEE thy light yet know not they walk in darkness and know not that at which they have stumbled .
FOR THEY HAVE STUMBLED and the ROCK of CHRIST , HIS BELIEVE YE GOSPLE is seen as not necessary .
SO allow me some parting words . EVERY RELIGOIN IS OF SATAN from the muslim to the hindu
to anything and everything that DENIES the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST . ITs all of satan .
NOT GOD . GOD already chose how to save , GOD already testified ON HE WHO DOES save.
AND GUESS WHAT , THE WORD YE MUST BELIEVE , the BELIEVE WORD , HE SAYS . the devil says , OH NO NEED .

 

[Marvelloustime]

you and her beleif are as far apart as can be . SHE aint going around making void
the word of JESUS and declaring interfaith and the wisdom of men .
Your angel of interfaith is your down fall .
Even a broke clock can be right twice a day , but tis still a broke clock .
Interfaith is the song of death sung to the dead and the dead will hear it
and beleive its song leadeth to salvation , peace n safety , to GOD .
But that there song is the song of the pied piper who sings in the darkness
and cries it is the light
and the blind say WE SEE thy light yet know not they walk in darkness and know not that at which they have stumbled .
FOR THEY HAVE STUMBLED and the ROCK of CHRIST , HIS BELIEVE YE GOSPLE is seen as not necessary .
SO allow me some parting words . EVERY RELIGOIN IS OF SATAN from the muslim to the hindu
to anything and everything that DENIES the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST . ITs all of satan .
NOT GOD . GOD already chose how to save , GOD already testified ON HE WHO DOES save.
AND GUESS WHAT , THE WORD YE MUST BELIEVE , the BELIEVE WORD , HE SAYS . the devil says , OH NO NEED .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

you and her beleif are as far apart as can be . SHE aint going around making void
the word of JESUS and declaring interfaith and the wisdom of men .
Your angel of interfaith is your down fall .
Even a broke clock can be right twice a day , but tis still a broke clock .
Interfaith is the song of death sung to the dead and the dead will hear it
and beleive its song leadeth to salvation , peace n safety , to GOD .
But that there song is the song of the pied piper who sings in the darkness
and cries it is the light
and the blind say WE SEE thy light yet know not they walk in darkness and know not that at which they have stumbled .
FOR THEY HAVE STUMBLED and the ROCK of CHRIST , HIS BELIEVE YE GOSPLE is seen as not necessary .
SO allow me some parting words . EVERY RELIGOIN IS OF SATAN from the muslim to the hindu
to anything and everything that DENIES the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST . ITs all of satan .
NOT GOD . GOD already chose how to save , GOD already testified ON HE WHO DOES save.
AND GUESS WHAT , THE WORD YE MUST BELIEVE , the BELIEVE WORD , HE SAYS . the devil says , OH NO NEED .

@amigo de christo

 

[Dan Clarkston]

That has nothing to do with what I posted.
But it's okay, let's just move on

We can move on... but I'm not going to admit that God's Word is wrong because it is not.

 

[RLT63]

We can move on... but I'm not going to admit that God's Word is wrong because it is not.

God’s word is not wrong, you were. You can drop it and move on or you can continue and I’ll go back and copy and paste the posts and show everyone where you were wrong.
I suggest we move on.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

God’s word is not wrong, you were.

God’s word is not wrong, it's you that is wrong

and show everyone where you were wrong.

No, in your "opinion" not based on what God says in His Word... you'll make that claim!

Those that don't accept the whole counsel of God and instead based their viewpoint only on a few verses that fit their preconceived ideas that God's Word does not actually teach.... are wrong before they even get started.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The subject was fallen angels who joined Satan in the rebellion against God.
I don't believe that they can be saved.

At least you got this part right.... fallen angels will never be saved.

 

[RLT63]

God’s word is not wrong, it's you that is wrong





No, in your "opinion" not based on what God says in His Word... you'll make that claim! View attachment 57273

Those that don't accept the whole counsel of God and instead based their viewpoint only on a few verses that fit their preconceived ideas that God's Word does not actually teach.... are wrong before they even get started.

The subject was fallen angels who joined Satan in the rebellion against God.
I don't believe that they can be saved.

@Dan Clarkston said “Correct... they cannot and will not be saved.”

That’s what was posted. I don’t know what this nonsense you keep carrying on with is about.

 

[RLT63]

At least you got this part right.... fallen angels will never be saved. View attachment 57275

That’s all I posted and you claimed that I was part of some Satanic cult. I can only assume that you have me mixed up with someone else.
if not, please repost whatever it is that I said that you take issue with.

Here is what was posted

They're not eligible to be saved

@Dan Clarkston said “So are you with the satan temple or some other satanic religious group like the masonic lodge or something?

No Christian would say those that believe in Jesus are not eligible to be saved.
Weird.”

RLT63 said:
The subject was fallen angels who joined Satan in the rebellion against God.
I don't believe that they can be saved.

Then you agreed that fallen angels are not eligible to be saved, so what are you going on about?