Yes.
If you are posting that as a rebuttal to recognizing the WHOLE Body of Christ.
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The broad spectrum of Christianity VERSUS the narrow-minded view
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If you are posting that as a rebuttal to recognizing the WHOLE Body of Christ.
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Ritajanice
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You are on your own journey with the Lord, David, same as everyone else...all of us are at different levels of understanding Gods word, imo...who am I to judge or criticise you...that’s what God is teaching me at the moment, via the Holy Spirit..
We’re all growing and maturing in spiritual truth..we are always growing..at least I hope and pray we all are..
Ritajanice
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Yes, aren’t we all different parts / members of one body?
Would you say that all denominations each play a different role/ part / member in the body of Christ?. @St. SteVen.
1 Corinthians 12:12-27
King James Version
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular
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David in NJ
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Come on now my Brother = i never disown the Members of the LORD Jesus Christ
I have always said this:
No matter what the denomination, if the Gospel is preached there God will SAVE some.
i believe there are Catholics who are saved as well as jw's and baptists and so on.....
False doctrine is another subject matter separate from Salvation as most of us still have false doctrine in some way or measure.
The thief on the cross next to JESUS who BELIEVED did not have time to study Scripture at that moment did he???
But what did the thief who BELIEVED have that was even BETTER = the LIVING WORD of LIFE dying for the sins of the world......
@Ritajanice
NotTheRock
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My understanding is that Jesus died for ALL. It sounds like my understanding differs from yours.
Dan Clarkston
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David in NJ
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FYI - i fully understand your stance here as i myself have had this same conversation with the LORD
Nothing wrong with talking with our Heavenly FATHER about things we do not understand.
KEY - We must always remind ourselves that you/me/us are the created and not the Creator!!!
i choose to trust HIM who died for me so that i can receive Eternal Life - i have found no other Place of REST then JESUS
Dan Clarkston
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C'mon man... did you really ever run in to anyone that thought they were God Almighty?
Yes. All members of one body.
The denominations remind me of specialists in the medical industry.
Each one has a specific focus. We can all help each other.
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amigo de christo
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your tacitic and false accusations work not on the sheep my friend .
you know darn well what i am saying . Now Open the bible and learn it for yourself .
we gots lots of wolves in wool all over the denominations of men
doing all to unite all under the harlot and that which is of anti christ . and they know
how to appease the flesh my friend . Sheep wont heed a word one outta them mouths .
Now let us get into the bible for ourselves .
amigo de christo
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This may seem hard to beleive my friend , but its been exactly what has been going on massive within christendom
And as of late its gotten much worse and fast .
I guarantee ya if one finds that hard to beleive
bring a scrip that speaks against a sin , and then prepare to hear blah blah blah , we dont judge ,
God is love , we dont judge , stop criticising , stop juding , stop hating .
Its all over the churches my friend and the stink of it has reached to heaven .
But if one finds this hard to believe
walk into most churches . They always speak of diversity , inclusivity
often holler love a whole lot . often talk about tolerance and etc
BUT OPEN A BIBLE and read even the reminders of paul about sin
about who will not inherit the kingdom of GOD . YOU SEE what these lovers say next
DONT JUDGE , GOD IS LOVE
That no longer applies , as though somehow GOD changed HIS mind
about sin .
You bring a bible in and start reading Pauls own warnings , peters
jude and others . THEY WILL THROW both you and that book RIGHT OUTTA the church .
GUESS they aint so darn loving and tolerant after all . OH SINS they tolerate , heck even embrace
Many paths they embrace , BUT THE BIBLE and the WORDS OF GOD , YEAH NOT SO MUCH at all .
Ritajanice
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amigo de christo
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Try bringing the warnings JESUS gave unto those who repented not to beleive ON HIM .
They believe inclusivism david . Its a well claoked lie too .
they will tell you a truth . THEY beleive JESUS is the savoir of the world , THEY JUST BELIEVE YA DONT HAVE TO BELEIVE IN HIM .
satan is slick aint he . giving them the impression
that all other religoins , WHO I KNOW DENY JESUS IS THE CHRIST
are okay and love GOD TOO . what a crock of dung that lie is .
These people call GOD A LIAR .
GOD TESTIFIED OF JESUS THE CHRIST
and JOHN well wrote that any who beleives NOT the testimony that GOD gave of the SON calls GOD a liar .
WELL all other religoins DO NOT believe the TESTIMONY GOD gave of the SON . THEY dont BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST at all .
maybe a prophet at best . ITS all a sham david its all a lie this inclusivity truly is my friend .
JESUS said , thus IF HE SAID , GOD SAID , if they beleive not on me they will be DAMNED .
EVEN WORSE for them than ever for SODOM on the day of judgment . GUESS THEY ALL CALL JESUS A LIAR
as they are so in love with this other jesus that has made the road vERY broad and sin accepting .
amigo de christo
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The only problem is THIER FOCUS sure dont seem to BE ON GOD , HIS WORDS , HIS TRUTH as many preach another jesus
and a wordly version of love . MANY embrace another jesus and have no idea IT AINT JESUS
IT AINT GOD , it aint HIS SPIRIT they be a following at all . Now open the bible and let us learn for ourselves .
David in NJ
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No worries my Brother in JESUS the Annointed ONE
His promise to those who remain in HIM is this:
Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.
And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch.
Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe.
The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
I and Father are One.”
To those who do not receive the Divine Unction of YAHshua as Lord:
He will not be found in your temple.
There will be no Light in your temple.
Your house is left to you desolate.
What does the scripture say? "For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whosoever would believe on Him would never perish but have eternal life." Ergo He died for all who would believe/receive Him. And He has foreknown from the beginning who would......it is hard to understand the sovereignty of God, as I said, which you are choosing to ignore. That He has "chosen" some vessels to be vessels of dishonour and some for honour is based on His foreknowledge. The bible says we are "elect according to His foreknowledge."
Aunty Jane
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What then is “the gospel”? Who are actually preaching it? Is there more than one truth?
Didn’t you just contradict yourself? Denominations are identified by their doctrines and the things they hold to be true. What does God see when he looks down on the human race? He has recorded one truth in his word...and we all have the same access to that word via our Bible translations.....so the salvation issues determine who is saved and who is not....right? (John 17:3)
What then are the salvation issues? Who determines what is truth amid all the various denominations and their differing doctrines? Obviously, Jesus does because he alone is God’s appointed judge. He will tell us all at the judgment who is a “sheep” and who is a “goat”.....and we already know that the majority will be rejected.....and “few” will be found on the correct path . (Matt 7:13-14; 21-23)
Jesus can identify the diamonds in that enormous pile of broken glass.....yet the ones rejected will be shocked and forced to make excuses to their “Lord”....as if he has made some kind of mistake.
Would we want to be found among them? What are they all believing that the “few” do not?
Again, what do we know about the thief hung alongside Jesus? What caused his last minute change of heart? He was also rebuking Jesus along with his fellow evil doer just before that. (Matt 27:44) So what promise did Jesus make to this late repentant wrongdoer? Was he assuring him of a place in his Kingdom as a “joint heir” with Jesus in heaven? Those positions were filled only by those who faithfully followed Jesus’ teachings and were baptized into his death....this thief was neither of those things.
What was the promise?
Luke 23:43....
“Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise”.
The comma in most translations is after the first “you” but there were no commas in Greek, so the translators put the comma in where they thought it should go.....were they correct? Was this thief with Jesus in heaven that day?
The Bible proves that this was impossible, because Jesus was in his tomb for three days before he was resurrected. Jesus remained in his tomb, just as Jonah remained in the belly of the fish for three days. (Matt 12:39-40) Then after his resurrection, he stayed on earth to strengthen his disciples before returning to his Father 40 days later.
What did Jesus promise the man? He would be “with him” in “paradise”....not heaven.
What was Jesus referring to? He had told his disciples.....
John 5:28-29...
“Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.”
Where was the general resurrection of the dead to take place? Jesus will call all the dead from their tombs....which are here on earth. So there are two resurrections....one (the “first resurrection”) for those who make up “the body of Christ”, who are destined to be “kings and priests” with Christ in heaven. (Rev 20:6) These will rule over redeemed mankind on earth....as even “those who practed vile things” will have their lives restored and gain an opportunity to learn about Christ and change their ways.....God has allowed a thousand years to undo all the damage that was done to the earth, and all who inhabit this beautiful planet....a thousand years with no satan and nothing to interfere with God’s original purpose, giving all ample opportunity to get right with God before one final test at the end. (Rev 20:1-3)
Rev 21:2-5 tells us this....
“I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
5 And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”
What God purposed in the beginning, he brings to a successful conclusion in the end. (Isa 55:11) He did not create the human race to live in heaven, but to enjoy life right here in paradise on earth forever. He will “make all things new”, so that every vestige of our former existence under satan’s rule here, (1 John 5:19) is wiped away.....never to be seen again.
David in NJ
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My favorite Aunt has returned with a WHOLE PAGE !!!
Aunty, my comment on "false doctrine" was based on this which i said:
Wherever the Gospel is preached, God will Save some - regardless of the denomination.
The Call to the Gospel, which is JESUS the MESSIAH who came DIRECTLY from the FATHER and became a man in order to fulfill the Prophetical Mandate established BEFORE the world was, to Give His Life as a Living Sacrifice unto the death of the Cross.
That HE may become the Savior of all who call upon the LORD Jesus Christ.
P.S. - i have not yet read your page but will after dinner.
David in NJ
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i do think that @St. SteVen is open but i AGREE with him in this aspect = it is BEYOND us to fathom how and why
For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. - Hebrews 10:30
i also AGREE with @St. SteVen that, in our own estimation of things, it seems brutal and tyrannical to be coming from a God who is Love.
Yet i know how wicked my heart is and how my only Hope is in the Lord Jesus Christ and His Coming.
How can i, a man of corruption, be able to correct the God of Creation???
The prophet Isaiah was a better man then myself and even he cried saying:
“Woe is me, for I am undone!
Because I am a man of unclean lips,
And I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips;
For my eyes have seen the King,
The Lord of hosts.”
SHALOM
Aunty Jane
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A little more for your digestion......
I have to disagree.....denominations are satan’s way of dividing the “goats”....Christendom is a divided and confused mess......and there is but one truth, and one united brotherhood of people in the whole world who subscribe to it.......but they are lost among the “weeds” planted by the devil.
They stand out as very different to all the rest....just as the original plant in Jesus’ illustration was a noxious weed that looked for all the world like real “wheat” in the beginning, but at the harvest time, the difference was obvious. (Bearded Darnell was called “wheat’s evil twin” and was used by an enemy to destroy a neighbor’s crop.)
God’s command to his “people” is to “get out of” “Babylon the great”.....(Rev 18:4-5) so we cannot be found in that disgustingly immoral place. Calling false religion a “prostitute” describes her from God’s viewpoint, but those enjoying their immoral relationship with her will not see it that way. They see their relationship as mutually beneficial. She is an intrinsic “part of the world” (John 17:16)....holding a “kingdom over the kings of the earth” as she has done for centuries. (James 4:4) That is why God will use the political elements to destroy her. She has become a virtual dinosaur in today’s world....too much violence and bloodshed are attached to religious conflicts.......and science has explained God away to many who wanted him gone anyway. We are about to witness something that will shock many.
David in NJ said:
There is an error in your translation there....the “prophetic mandate” to send his Messiah was not made “before the founding” of the planet/universe......because God never purposed for the planet to be inhabited by anyone who was not an obedient worshipper of his. Humans were designed to live on earth forever in mortal flesh, providing the means via “the tree of life”. Access to this tree was denied only after Adam’s sin. (Gen 3:22-24)
“Mortal” doesn’t mean we have to die.....only that we can if we disobey God’s instructions. So, since his instructions were disobeyed after their creation, the “founding of the world”, (kosmos) is “the world of mankind” descended from Adam......look it up...it has to do with the laying down of seed...or conception.... before the fall, there was no plan to send a savior since there was no one to save when man was created, sinless. Sin entered into the world with Adam....and sin is what brought death. No sin would have meant no death and no need for a savior.
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