The Born Again = Have No Sin.

[Ritajanice]

Knowledge and faith is nothing without charity..


2 Peter 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

You need God given faith/ Spirit gives birth to spirit...we must be Born Of The Spirit...our spirit must be Born Again before we can understand God’s written word...because only the witness of the Spirit can bring us to understand God’s word ,as it’s written in Spirit.

Hence we must be Born Again....without the Living seed/word / spiritual rebirth.....one can only read the written word in their carnal understanding...that is why we must be Spirit Born.

Anyway, I am going to leave it there....may God bring you to His Truth...In Jesus Name...Amen.

In fact may God bring us ALL to His truth, In Jesus Name!..Amen!.

 

[JBO]

1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And you are giving us a hint that you are one such chosen.

 

[JunChosen]

You do not have a verse to back this claim of yours, so stop the heresy.

"To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5:8).

What about bodies of saint burnt to ashes, especially of the 'Reformers', with what body will they resurrect in??

Don't you believe in the power of God?? All He has to do is speak and all things exist??

When a saint is burnt to ashes or killed in a bomb explosion all God has to do is speak to bring back all particles of their bodies together and they shall become whole once again.

This tells me you're not truly acquainted with the Bible. Do you even understand Bible doctrines and its' interpretations??

To God Be The Glory

 

[Fred J]

"To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5:8).

Dear babes in Christ, scripture doesn't contradict itself, rather you're the young contradiction until now. i was young and vibrant like you in the scripture, without the proper revelation to the context. So, i would also quote scripture out of context just to win an argument that i was right. But as along the way i did find out by the revelation of the context gradually that i was unwise and wrong.

This scripture quote of yours doesn't debunk mine, where 'all dead in Christ', including Paul, will rise from the earth one day. You merely fail to understand what Apostle Paul meant and rather 'twist' his saying to your advantage.

For it is written, 'We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.'

Now quote the next verse, that this saying of Apostle Paul truly happened to him, and he's with the Lord.
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Don't you believe in the power of God?? All He has to do is speak and all things exist??

When a saint is burnt to ashes or killed in a bomb explosion all God has to do is speak to bring back all particles of their bodies together and they shall become whole once again.

Don't you believe in the wisdom of GOD? All HE has to do is unwisely waste no time, resurrecting the dead with their mortal body as well. Which apparently is written, shall not inherit the Kingdom of GOD. Because when the dead shall rise, they will all be changed even with the living, receiving the immortal body fit for Heaven.

For it is written, 'Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of GOD; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.'

The dead shall be raised incorruptible, and the living corruptible must put on incorruption.

Ask yourself, why GOD wants to unwisely resurrect this mortal body of the dust once again, when it is to be left behind to dust afterall? But rather being a wise GOD, those risen in the spirit, speak upon them the clothing of the immortal body fit for Heaven.

This tells me you're not truly acquainted with the Bible. Do you even understand Bible doctrines and its' interpretations??

Do not be haughty, and be wise in your own conceit. For what you know now out of context, you know nothing at all to the context. For me, let me be the liar and GOD be the truth.

All Honor, All Glory and All Praise be to GOD the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen

 

[gordon7]

Here we go again, avoid my reply with quote opposed to yours, and with no explanation in respond from your side.

Now, if you're without sin like Apostle Paul running the race, we're happy for you.

But, i do sin, and have supporting verses to workout my own salvation in fear and trembling.

Sin is someone who bears false witness and who gives false accusation, it was predicted by God. ( this is showing the accuser of the brothers/ the father of liars the devil is cast down to the earth for the false accusers to continue the lies)..


2 Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[gordon7]

You need God given faith/ Spirit gives birth to spirit...we must be Born Of The Spirit...our spirit must be Born Again before we can understand God’s written word...because only the witness of the Spirit can bring us to understand God’s word ,as it’s written in Spirit.

Hence we must be Born Again....without the Living seed/word / spiritual rebirth.....one can only read the written word in their carnal understanding...that is why we must be Spirit Born.

Anyway, I am going to leave it there....may God bring you to His Truth...In Jesus Name...Amen.

In fact may God bring us ALL to His truth, In Jesus Name!..Amen!.

Here is how God brings HIs truth:


Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[gordon7]

For it is written, 'Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of GOD; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.'

The dead shall be raised incorruptible, and the living corruptible must put on incorruption.

Yes a mystery.

Not too difficult to work it out, either we believe in putting on incorruption now, or we talk about it without doing it. ( in faith)


1 Corinthians 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

1 Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

 

[Ritajanice]

Dear babes in Christ, scripture doesn't contradict itself

Don’t you mean, Gods “ Living “ word doesn’t contradict His written word?

God spoke to man and woman. Then, He wrote it down for us through those He inspired to write the Bible, the written word. Then, He lived it out for us in Jesus Christ. The spoken word became the written word and then was fully communicated in the eternal, Living Word, Jesus Christ.

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◄ John 3:8 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” New Living Translation The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can’t explain how people are born of the Spirit.” English Standard Version The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” Berean Standard Bible The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

The Living word of God is paramount to becoming Born Of The Spirit...His written word backs up His Living word?

Hebrews 4:12​

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12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

 

[Fred J]

Sin is someone who bears false witness and who gives false accusation, it was predicted by God. ( this is showing the accuser of the brothers/ the father of liars the devil is cast down to the earth for the false accusers to continue the lies)..


2 Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Sin is someone who bears false witness and who gives false accusation, it was predicted by God. ( this is showing the accuser of the brothers/ the father of liars the devil is cast down to the earth for the false accusers to continue the lies)..


2 Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

First of all, you bear false witness in regards the New Testament in context. That's only a mild assessment for you to take correction and wise up. Seem like you've taken to a whole new level of out of context apostleship than the Apostles in context.

 

[gordon7]

But, i do sin, and have supporting verses to workout my own salvation in fear and trembling.

Sin is lying, lying to one another. ( still being the old man with HIS DEEDS)

It is not believing in love, for which cause we put off all sins.


Leviticus 19:11 Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.



Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

 

[Fred J]

Yes a mystery.

A mystery that is revealed in context, period

Not too difficult to work it out, either we believe in putting on incorruption now, or we talk about it without doing it. ( in faith)


1 Corinthians 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

1 Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Take scripture out of context to suite your faith, and claiming equal to Paul, one who has no sin and have not sinned, but 1 John 1:8&10 debunks.

Testifying that the saints of Christ when they perish, they will go to be with the Lord, isn't it bearing false witness?

If this is not sin to you, therefore on the other hand i testify, this is 'lawlessness' then.

For it is written, 'And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.'

May GOD the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ forgive and help you.

 

[Fred J]

Don’t you mean, Gods “ Living “ word doesn’t contradict His written word?

God spoke to man and woman. Then, He wrote it down for us through those He inspired to write the Bible, the written word. Then, He lived it out for us in Jesus Christ. The spoken word became the written word and then was fully communicated in the eternal, Living Word, Jesus Christ.

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◄ John 3:8 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” New Living Translation The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can’t explain how people are born of the Spirit.” English Standard Version The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” Berean Standard Bible The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

The Living word of God is paramount to becoming Born Of The Spirit...His written word backs up His Living word?

Hebrews 4:12​

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New International Version​

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12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Then GOD would the author of confusion....

 

[Fred J]

Sin is lying, lying to one another. ( still being the old man with HIS DEEDS)

It is not believing in love, for which cause we put off all sins.


Leviticus 19:11 Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.



Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

You are free to preach your out of context compiled gospel, but am out of here, no thank you.

 

[Ritajanice]

Then GOD would the author of confusion....

God is not an author of confusion.

Who do you think Jesus was, he was the Son Of God, He was also His Living word...

The word was made flesh...

John 1:14​

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,* (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Short commentary.
What does it mean that Jesus is the living Word of God?
It is a Living Word, a word vibrant with life, a word that carries the power of life, and the power of transformation, a persistent word – a word that is active in us until our very spirit and soul, joints and marrow are divided or parted; that is, until death.


How do you think one is Born Again, Spirit gives birth to spirit?

We aren’t Born Again in the mind.

It’s our spirit that needs to be Born Again, that is a supernatural/ spiritual act , a Living spiritual rebirth, that only God can do.

His Spirit births our spirit into His, mind blowing!!

When the Spirit gives birth to spirit!!....

I will leave it there....God Bless.

 

[JBO]

His Spirit births our spirit into His, mind blowing!!

Yeah, that is mind blowing alright. What does that even mean? The Bible never says anything like that.

 

[Fred J]

God is not an author of confusion.

For it is written, 'For GOD is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.'

Probably misread your opening remark, thinking you're implying that GOD's living word contradicts HIS written word.

i believe there's no contradiction and there's reasonable explanation to them, that HE will reveal in due time. It is only we who contradict, taking it out of it's context or due to lack of knowledge or even wisdom.

Who do you think Jesus was, he was the Son Of God, He was also His Living word...

The word was made flesh...

John 1:14​

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,* (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

On top of that, Jesus is God over all creation, whether on earth or in Heaven, the seen or the unseen. Whether they be thrones, or dominion, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him.

For it is written, 'For every house is builded by some man; but HE that built all things is GOD. And Moses verily was faithful in all HIS house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; But Christ as a Son over His own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.'

Short commentary.
What does it mean that Jesus is the living Word of God?
It is a Living Word, a word vibrant with life, a word that carries the power of life, and the power of transformation, a persistent word – a word that is active in us until our very spirit and soul, joints and marrow are divided or parted; that is, until death.

For it is written, "It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

How do you think one is Born Again, Spirit gives birth to spirit?

We aren’t Born Again in the mind.

It’s our spirit that needs to be Born Again, that is a supernatural/ spiritual act , a Living spiritual rebirth, that only God can do.

His Spirit births our spirit into His, mind blowing!!

When the Spirit gives birth to spirit!!....

I will leave it there....God Bless.

Apparently something is amiss here, we didn't have a spirit of GOD, but were carnal and fleshly exposed to the elemental spirits of this world. When GOD told Adam that he would surely die, was it 'spiritually' or 'physically'? And those after Adam were the same, for all have sinned and fallen short of GOD's Glory. Jesus said to the plower whose father perished, that, "Let the dead bury the dead."

Jesus also said in John ch. 3, that those who are born of the flesh are flesh, and those who are born of the Spirit are spirit. We are born again a new creation, where all sins are forgiven and are cleansed from all unrighteousness. A thoroughly washed clean earthen vessel where now filled in with GOD's treasure, His every word that proceeded out of HIS mouth. (2 Timothy 3:16&17)

For it is written, "Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old."

Any clue what are, his treasure things new and old?

 

[gordon7]

A mystery that is revealed in context, period

Take scripture out of context to suite your faith, and claiming equal to Paul, one who has no sin and have not sinned, but 1 John 1:8&10 debunks.

Testifying that the saints of Christ when they perish, they will go to be with the Lord, isn't it bearing false witness?

If this is not sin to you, therefore on the other hand i testify, this is 'lawlessness' then.

For it is written, 'And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.'

May GOD the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ forgive and help you.

Hard to tell if someone who says they sin=lies, is telling the truth in anything isnt it...



Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

 

[JBO]

Who do you think Jesus was, he was the Son Of God, He was also His Living word...

Could you give us the scriptural reference for this "Living word" that you are writing about? I can't seem to find any.

 

[gordon7]

Could you give us the scriptural reference for this "Living word" that you are writing about? I can't seem to find any.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[gordon7]

Sin is not believing in Jesus Christ risen and to talk words that are not life, such as pride, exaltation, self seeking, envy, strife, they are what Christ died for, so we can live through HIs humbling to death.


1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.