The 'blessed virgin Mary'

[Addy]

So... Christ ( who is God ) needed Mary's "Sacred" womb to become divine.... thus Mary was born without original sin.... OH my goodness... The things that people believe.


Just for the record... Christ did not need anyone to "help" make him divine... HE is I AM.

CHRIST ( who is GOD ) made man... needed a womb to be born... THIS is true.

God chose Mary.... and she accepted... as well as did Joseph to betroth her despite the fact that she was "with child"... This is true.

Mary remained a virgin until after the birth of Christ.... This is true.

YES ... Mary was BLESSED... but the Catholic church has elevated her to a position that is heretical in my opinion.

Everything after the birth of Christ with regards to Mary's PRIVATE life is UNKNOWN.... This is TRUE...

There is NO proof that Mary remained a perpetual virgin... and it is laughable to see all these posts filled with people who happen to agree with this assessment.

 

[robert derrick]

so from scripture what are the books and chapters of the Bible?

maccabees 1 & 2?
Dan chapters 13 & 14?
Or you’re 66 books of the tradition of men under king James?

My work is to expose false doctrine by Scripture.

You want to know what Scriptures I read and give, keep watching, as I open up the Sacred Womb of your religion, and show all the corruption in it.

 

[Addy]

keep watching, as I open up the Sacred Womb of your religion, and show all the corruption in it.

That's God's job... HE will one day unveil... reveal... expose... and JUDGE the evil that lies within the mother church.

 

[Marymog]

What I'm asking is the reason for that to be.

@robert derrick was saying that Jesus required a "holy womb", otherwise He would not be holy, if I'm understanding him. Does that fit your views?

I'm curious of the how why Mary would have been conceived without the corruption of Man's sin, and I want to understand your teaching on this.

I understand this about Jesus. He was the Last Adam, therefore a new humanity, not Mary's DNA, so he was born without Adam's corruption, being a new original creation. And He had to be or else His death would only count for He'd be just another living/dead First Adam-man.

Much love!

Thanks marks.

You said you wanted to understand my teaching on this. Just for clarification I don't have a teaching on this. The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth, has a teaching on this and I will do my best to sum that teaching up.

The "how" Mary would have been conceived without sin is easy: God.

The "why" is because Mary was the new Eve. You are right in that Jesus was the Last Adam. Who was the mother of the new Adam? Mary was chosen by God to be the mother of the new Adam therefor she was withdrawn from the general law of original sin. It is not hard to fathom that she was conceived without sin because we, as common people who are not the mother of Christ, are cleansed from sin by baptism. If God will do that for us then why couldn't Mary, the mother of His child, be cleansed from sin at conception? Also, our souls have to be sinless before we enter heaven. Why couldn't Mary be sinless from the time she was conceived. All things are possible with God. IMO it shouldn't be hard to believe that by an act of God that the mother of his child would be sinless (pure) from the time of conception so that she could in turn conceive a sinless and pure child.

Mary

 

[Abaxvahl]

Thanks marks.

You said you wanted to understand my teaching on this. Just for clarification I don't have a teaching on this. The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth, has a teaching on this and I will do my best to sum that teaching up.

The "how" Mary would have been conceived without sin is easy: God.

The "why" is because Mary was the new Eve. You are right in that Jesus was the Last Adam. Who was the mother of the new Adam? Mary was chosen by God to be the mother of the new Adam therefor she was withdrawn from the general law of original sin. It is not hard to fathom that she was conceived without sin because we, as common people who are not the mother of Christ, are cleansed from sin by baptism. If God will do that for us then why couldn't Mary, the mother of His child, be cleansed from sin at conception? Also, our souls have to be sinless before we enter heaven. Why couldn't Mary be sinless from the time she was conceived. All things are possible with God. IMO it shouldn't be hard to believe that by an act of God that the mother of his child would be sinless (pure) from the time of conception so that she could in turn conceive a sinless and pure child.

Mary

The IC was fitting not necessary, the Word by Himself is cleansing and makes the corrupted incorruptible and the mortal immortal. It was not necessary that Mary not have Original Sin.

 

[Addy]

It was not necessary that Mary not have Original Sin.

That is correct.

 

[Addy]

Ok... I've had my Catholic quota for the day... Learned something new... I did not realize the Catholic church teaches that
Mary was born without original sin... IMAGINE that !!!!!!

 

[robert derrick]

This goes back to when young virgin girls were selected to become mediums (prophetess) for the occult. They were kept as virgins for it is believed to give them greater access to the spirit world and divination.

The RCC is base in the occult with covering itself as Christianity to deceive, mesmerize and control the billions who are enslaved by it.

Mary becomes their Virgin Prophetess to displace the Holy Spirit and submit their jesus unto Her.

Exactly, and now it all ties together with their Mother of all vestal virgins, who were to watch over the 'Sacred' fire of Rome.

It's the religion of Rome usurping the name of Christ, who's divinity depends upon the Sacredness of their Mother's Womb.

The Sacred fire in the Sacred womb, which is their Sacred baptism of fire.

It all fits now. That is where they got their 'Sacred' title from.

I always wondered why they go on and on about how 'Sacred' everything is for them, without one hint of the Holy Scriptures.

They even had it in their name all along: Roman Catholic.

It is indeed the Catholic Roman religion: old paganism with a twist of christ added to it.

A false christ is a twisted christ.

 

[Marymog]

The IC was fitting not necessary, the Word by Himself is cleansing and makes the corrupted incorruptible and the mortal immortal. It was not necessary that Mary not have Original Sin.

Thank you.

If you look at Genesis 3.15 it says "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed: he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." The Jews saw this passage as referring to the struggle between Christ and Satan and the Church saw in "the woman" a prophetic foreshadowing of the Virgin Mary. So, logically, if there is to be complete enmity between the woman and the serpent, then she never should have been in any way subject to him even briefly. This implies an Immaculate conception.

Hope that helps....Mary

 

[Abaxvahl]

It's the religion of Rome usurping the name of Christ, who's divinity depends upon the Sacredness of their Mother's Womb.

Nowhere does the Church teach the divinity of Christ is contingent upon any creature. Cite it if you can.

 

[Abaxvahl]

Thank you.

If you look at Genesis 3.15 it says "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed: he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." The Jews saw this passage as referring to the struggle between Christ and Satan and the Church saw in "the woman" a prophetic foreshadowing of the Virgin Mary. So, logically, if there is to be complete enmity between the woman and the serpent, then she never should have been in any way subject to him even briefly. This implies an Immaculate conception.

Hope that helps....Mary

Eve was Fallen when this was said to her, I do not see how it necessarily implies this or how there could be the logical implication that complete enmity means this. Do remember that the Orthodox Church does not hold to the IC but holds to this passage, I am not denying the IC but I do not see it here.

 

[robert derrick]

Did Paul start a cult: The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord;.... I say this for your own benefit, not to put any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and unhindered devotion to the Lord.

Did Matthew start a cult: there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

The teaching in Christianity that Mary had other children didn't start until the 16th century. The greatest Protestant leader, Martin Luther, didn't teach what you believe about Mary. Why do you follow the teachings of those men and not the men who lived closest to Christ?

Deciding not to marry is anyone's choice. Scripture does however command to marry to avoid fornication.

However, making any religious and ministerial rule against marrying is a devil's doctrine. That's when a cult is started.

The teaching in Christianity that Mary had other children didn't start until the 16th century.

It started in Scripture with Matthew 1:25. It's still there.

It wasn't until the Catholic Roman religion was made some centuries later, that the teaching of the Sacred Womb of the Mother of all vestal virgins began.

That religion made it a habit to pluck words and names out of the Bible, call them Sacred, and apply them to their reincarnated Roman religion.

 

[Marymog]

Eve was Fallen when this was said to her, I do not see how it necessarily implies this or how there could be the logical implication that complete enmity means this. Do remember that the Orthodox Church does not hold to the IC but holds to this passage, I am not denying the IC but I do not see it here.

Thank you. I am not sure why it matters that the Orthodox Church does not hold to the immaculate conception belief. Unless you are Orthodox and that's why it matters in this conversation?

None the less. You are right. Eve was fallen when this was said to the serpent (not Eve). So that means that in the FUTURE there will be enmity between the serpent and the woman. Does that mean there will be enmity between EVERY woman for all eternity? No, of course not. So it can only mean ONE woman.

So who do you Abaxvahl believe that one woman is or was?

Bible Study Mary

 

[robert derrick]

only his human nature!

how can you have a king without a queen?
Or
A new Adam without a new Eve?

The plot thickens.

Now we have Jesus invading the Sacred Womb, to make His Mother both wife and queen.

It's the Oedipus complex of the Catholic Roman religion.

 

[Addy]

The plot thickens.

Now we have Jesus invading the Sacred Womb, to make His Mother both wife and queen.

It's the Oedipus complex of the Catholic Roman religion.

LOL... Get the popcorn... put your slippers on...

 

[robert derrick]

only his human nature!

how can you have a king without a queen?
Or
A new Adam without a new Eve?

Demeter was the Mother Goddess of the earth, who had a child by King Zeus.

And so, now we see how the Catholic Roman religion gave that pagan union an incestual twist and made it 'Sacred' between their own Mother Goddess, they named 'Mary', and Her child King, they call 'Jesus'.

Basically the Catholic Roman religion gave the old pagan myth an upgrade in 'Sacred' speak, being sprinkled with Bible words and names.

 

[Marymog]

Deciding not to marry is anyone's choice. Scripture does however command to marry to avoid fornication.

However, making any religious and ministerial rule against marrying is a devil's doctrine. That's when a cult is started.

Thanks Robert,

How is a rule against marriage a devils doctrine? You only have to follow the rule if you choose to and you already said to "not marry is anyone's choice". Can you see where you are contradicting yourself?

You do know that men who choose to become priest know the celibacy rule before they take their vows. Soooooo when they choose not to marry and choose to be celibate wouldn't they have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake? And since they are not married wouldn't that make them anxious about the affairs of the Lord and how to please the Lord which promotes good order and unhindered devotion to the Lord. Are they not fulfilling what is written in Scripture Robert?

I am unaware of the passage that commands to marry to avoid fornication. Would you share that with me please?

 

[Marymog]

The teaching in Christianity that Mary had other children didn't start until the 16th century.

It started in Scripture with Matthew 1:25. It's still there.

It wasn't until the Catholic Roman religion was made some centuries later, that the teaching of the Sacred Womb of the Mother of all vestal virgins began.

That religion made it a habit to pluck words and names out of the Bible, call them Sacred, and apply them to their reincarnated Roman religion.

Oh goodness....Why are you following the 500 year old teachings of men and not the 2,000 year teaching of Christianity?

Matthew 1:25 demonstrates that Joseph did not have sexual relations with Mary before Jesus’ birth, thus establishing the doctrine of Jesus’ virginal birth. The verse does not mean that Joseph had sexual relations with Mary after Jesus was born.

 

[robert derrick]

So... Christ ( who is God ) needed Mary's "Sacred" womb to become divine.... thus Mary was born without original sin.... OH my goodness... The things that people believe.


Just for the record... Christ did not need anyone to "help" make him divine... HE is I AM.

CHRIST ( who is GOD ) made man... needed a womb to be born... THIS is true.

God chose Mary.... and she accepted... as well as did Joseph to betroth her despite the fact that she was "with child"... This is true.

Mary remained a virgin until after the birth of Christ.... This is true.

YES ... Mary was BLESSED... but the Catholic church has elevated her to a position that is heretical in my opinion.

Everything after the birth of Christ with regards to Mary's PRIVATE life is UNKNOWN.... This is TRUE...

There is NO proof that Mary remained a perpetual virgin... and it is laughable to see all these posts filled with people who happen to agree with this assessment.

There is NO proof that Mary remained a perpetual virgin... and it is laughable to see all these posts filled with people who happen to agree with this assessment.

That is because this thread is not about Scripture, but about the 'Sacred' traditions of the Catholic Roman religion.

That religion does not need Scriptural 'proof' of anything. They plainly say so.

All they need do is get some words and names from the Bible, call them Sacred, and then apply them in a manner more pleasing to their tastes, which apparently is more and more of the pagan variety.

Once we see that their Mother Goddess called 'Mary' has been made wife and queen of her own child king, called 'Jesus', it all pretty much falls into place.

 

[Addy]

That is because this thread is not about Scripture, but about the 'Sacred' traditions of the Catholic Roman religion.

I understand this...