THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

[Matthias]

Newbies, Jesus and the apostles did not preach “the wrong gospel”. There is only one gospel and he and they preached it.

 

[Doug]

Okay--DOUG--with all these closely titled threads about the same "different gospel" theme, you're repeating yourself like a broken record. Why?

I have a plan to what I will post ,,,,,you will see a variety of posts but all based on rightly dividing the Word so you will see comparisons to scripture to attempt to highlight our doctrinal distinctions

 

[pepper]

[Rom 5:9 KJV] 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

It saves us from wrath

Jesus Saves us.

 

[ScottA]

Wanted to cover all aspects....some may read a new one but the others get buried......alot of people are taught to believe the wrong gospel

Okay.

That could all be said more concisely, simply that Jesus first came physically only to the house of Israel (as He said), and then comes [again] in spirit unto the gentiles and every people, since Pentecost after sending the Holy Spirit, saying also "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me" (Revelation 3:20).

 

[Doug]

That could all be said more concisely,

Well okay but these are Bible studies that need scriptural presentations for support and teaching

 

[rebuilder 454]

I am sorry but I dont understand where you are going here

I would be willing to respond if I could

You made the statement that only Paul preached true salvation.
It is YOUR DOCTRINE that FALSELY claims the Apostles AND JESUS preached a DIFFERENT gospel than Paul.
YOU AND THAT HYPERPAULINE DOCTRINE that you obsess over MAKES THAT CLAIM like a gun slinger pulling a six gun.

Your deal is busted.
Because PAUL SAID ANYONE PREACHING A DIFFERENT GOSPEL than himself is cursed.

You can not wiggle out of it.
Your teachers are poorly taught and have made a fool of you.
UNDER YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE...PETER, JAMES, JOHN AND JESUS "preach a different gospel!!!!"
That IS YOUR TESTIMONY.
YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE THAT BASICALLY CURSES PETER AND JESUS.

 

[rebuilder 454]

There is only one gospel, one Holy Spirit, one baptism, one Lord, for both Jew and Gentile. That it took some of the apostles a little time to really grasp that the gospel was also meant for the Gentiles does not change this truth.

We see in Acts 10, (so pretty early on I gather) what was revealed to Peter when he had the vision of the unclean animals and the Lord commanded him to not call unclean what God has made clean and to go and minister to Cornelius, a Gentile, and the outcome of that story being this:

Act 10:34-36

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

Act 10:44-45

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I believe where Paul speaks of "my" gospel he just meant the gospel that he himself was preaching in general, which was the true gospel. Because there were false teachers who were preaching false gospels. And keep in mind that the disciples had been unlearned in the scriptures whereas Saul, a Pharisee knew the scrips well and probably had therefore cottoned on to many of those passages having to do with Gentiles which foretold of them being gathered to Israel (through the gospel) etc. God used all the apostles to bring glory to Himself in different ways. Paul probably understood the "mystery" better in relation to the old testament prophecies. I think we should be careful of making too much of these things though, because that can lead astray.

Just look at all the threads that Doug has formulated in this form. they all have the same silly false assumptions that we can only trust Paul, and that paul is the only true apostle and that Jesus Peter James and John, we're all confused.
What this guy Doug is spreading. It's just pure contention

 

[pepper]

Just look at all the threads that Doug has formulated in this form. they all have the same silly false assumptions that we can only trust Paul, and that paul is the only true apostle and that Jesus Peter James and John, we're all confused.
What this guy Doug is spreading. It's just pure contention

Doug is telling us he is not Christian. Doug is Pauline and following what is known as Paulianity.

 

[Doug]

paul is the only true apostle and that Jesus Peter James and John, we're all confused.

I came across this reply from you
I never said they were confused but rather Paul was teaching a new dispensation
[Eph 3:2 KJV] 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Jesus and the twelve operated under their prior dispensation

 

[pepper]

I came across this reply from you
I never said they were confused but rather Paul was teaching a new dispensation
[Eph 3:2 KJV] 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Jesus and the twelve operated under their prior dispensation

You just showed us you are teaching a false doctrine. One obviously not of Christ.

And very importantly, you just affirmed Paul was not of Christ due to that falsehood.

Thank you.

 

[Doug]

Doug is telling us he is not Christian. Doug is Pauline and following what is known as Paulianity.

I dont understand the reluctance to embrace Paul
He was sent by Christ
[Act 9:15 KJV] 15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Paul was given a new dispensation
[Col 1:25 KJV] 25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

 

[pepper]

I dont understand the reluctance to embrace Paul
He was sent by Christ
[Act 9:15 KJV] 15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Paul was given a new dispensation
[Col 1:25 KJV] 25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

I embrace Christ and His Gospel.

 

[Doug]

embrace Christ and His Gospel.

The gospel of Christ was revealed to Paul and the gospel we need to believe

[1Co 11:1 KJV] 1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.
[Eph 5:1 KJV] 1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

These verses are from Paul

 

[rebuilder 454]

The gospel of Christ was revealed to Paul and the gospel we need to believe

[1Co 11:1 KJV] 1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.
[Eph 5:1 KJV] 1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

These verses are from Paul

No doubt if Peter used Paul's exact wording we would all say it is plagureism.

But you see Peter's wording making him irrelevant.

In no way is Peter preaching a different gospel.

By having 4 separate gospels, does it mean only one is correct?
That is what you are doing.
Especially since you have been shown Peter and Paul baptized believers, and you have BEEN SHOWN all Apostles preached salvation BY AND THROUGH JESUS.

 

[Doug]

No doubt if Peter used Paul's exact wording we would all say it is plagureism.

But you see Peter's wording making him irrelevant.

In no way is Peter preaching a different gospel.

By having 4 separate gospels, does it mean only one is correct?
That is what you are doing.
Especially since you have been shown Peter and Paul baptized believers, and you have BEEN SHOWN all Apostles preached salvation BY AND THROUGH JESUS.

I dont know if you saw where I would like to know what alienated you from Pauline right division

 

[David in NJ]

Ephesians 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel.

The mystery of the gospel was revealed by revelations of Jesus Christ only to Paul.

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Paul and the twelve Apostles preached Christ. Paul preached Christ according to the mystery and the scriptures of the prophets. The twelve did not preach Christ according to the mystery.

Paul claims the gospel as being "my gospel", which distinguishes it from all others. Paul states his gospel was according to the mystery. The mystery was kept secret until revealed to Paul, which means the twelve Apostles could not have known it.

Paul's gospel is now made manifest.

Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

Paul was an Apostle to the Gentiles.

3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

God clearly states that there are dispensations. We are in the dispensation of the grace of God. Gentiles can now be saved freely, along with Jews, without the law and covenants. Gentiles no longer are separated from Israel. Gentiles no longer have to come to God through Israel.

3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Jesus revealed the mystery to Paul.

3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The mystery of the church, the body of Christ, was revealed only to Paul. The body of Christ composed of Jew and Gentile is a new creature seated in heavenly places ( 2 Corinthians 5:17 Ephesians 2:6).

Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

The mystery was hid even from the twelve disciples, but was made manifest to us by Paul.

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
18:32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
18:34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Paul's gospel includes the death, burial, and the resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The twelve Apostles had no understanding of any of this according to Luke 18:34. Even though Jesus told them of his death and resurrection they didn't understand as it was hid from them. The twelve Apostles could not have been preaching the same gospel as Paul.

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Jesus was preaching the gospel of the promised Davidic kingdom (Luke 1:32-33 Ezekiel 24-28 Isaiah 9:7 2:2-3 Exodus 19:6).

Luke 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
9:6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

The twelve Apostles were not preaching the same gospel as Paul, but rather the gospel of the kingdom, which Paul never preached.

It is imperative to believe the gospel that was given to us and be justified unto eternal life.

The gospel has been progressively revealed throughout scripture. Those that believed the gospel revealed in their dispensations, believed God, and were justified unto eternal life (Romans 4:3). If you only believe that the kingdom is at hand (Mark 1:15), as preached by the twelve, you are lost. If you only believe in the name of Jesus, as preached by the twelve, that he is the Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31), you are lost. If you only believe you should repent and be baptized (Acts 2:38) you are lost. If you only believe the gospels of the twelve Apostles you are lost.

The gospel given us in this dispensation is only found in the epistles of Paul; examples being Romans 3:19-26 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

Still pushing your falsehood !!!

But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

 

[David in NJ]

I have a plan to what I will post ,,,,,you will see a variety of posts but all based on rightly dividing the Word so you will see comparisons to scripture to attempt to highlight our doctrinal distinctions

You are WRONGLY dividing the Word of Truth by saying "more then one Gospel"

Turn to the Right Hand of God now and escape Judgment

 

[David in NJ]

Okay.

That could all be said more concisely, simply that Jesus first came physically only to the house of Israel (as He said), and then comes [again] in spirit unto the gentiles and every people, since Pentecost after sending the Holy Spirit, saying also "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me" (Revelation 3:20).

FYI - JESUS preached the One Gospel to the whole world = Jew & Gentile

 

[Doug]

You are WRONGLY dividing the Word of Truth by saying "more then one Gospel"

Turn to the Right Hand of God now and escape Judgment

Please allow me to cite a few verses to show there is more than one that upholds different gospels

Peter said.............[Act 2:30 KJV] 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Paul said........[Rom 4:25 KJV] 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Being raised for the throne...being raised for our justification.....different

[Gal 2:7 KJV] 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;

Two gospels here

[Mat 4:23 KJV] 23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

[Rom 15:19 KJV] 19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

Two gospels here

 

[Doug]

JESUS preached the One Gospel to the whole world = Jew & Gentile

Verse please