THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

[Doug]

Ephesians 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel.

The mystery of the gospel was revealed by revelations of Jesus Christ only to Paul.

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Paul and the twelve Apostles preached Christ. Paul preached Christ according to the mystery and the scriptures of the prophets. The twelve did not preach Christ according to the mystery.

Paul claims the gospel as being "my gospel", which distinguishes it from all others. Paul states his gospel was according to the mystery. The mystery was kept secret until revealed to Paul, which means the twelve Apostles could not have known it.

Paul's gospel is now made manifest.

Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

Paul was an Apostle to the Gentiles.

3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

God clearly states that there are dispensations. We are in the dispensation of the grace of God. Gentiles can now be saved freely, along with Jews, without the law and covenants. Gentiles no longer are separated from Israel. Gentiles no longer have to come to God through Israel.

3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Jesus revealed the mystery to Paul.

3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The mystery of the church, the body of Christ, was revealed only to Paul. The body of Christ composed of Jew and Gentile is a new creature seated in heavenly places ( 2 Corinthians 5:17 Ephesians 2:6).

Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

The mystery was hid even from the twelve disciples, but was made manifest to us by Paul.

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
18:32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
18:34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Paul's gospel includes the death, burial, and the resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The twelve Apostles had no understanding of any of this according to Luke 18:34. Even though Jesus told them of his death and resurrection they didn't understand as it was hid from them. The twelve Apostles could not have been preaching the same gospel as Paul.

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Jesus was preaching the gospel of the promised Davidic kingdom (Luke 1:32-33 Ezekiel 24-28 Isaiah 9:7 2:2-3 Exodus 19:6).

Luke 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
9:6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

The twelve Apostles were not preaching the same gospel as Paul, but rather the gospel of the kingdom, which Paul never preached.

It is imperative to believe the gospel that was given to us and be justified unto eternal life.

The gospel has been progressively revealed throughout scripture. Those that believed the gospel revealed in their dispensations, believed God, and were justified unto eternal life (Romans 4:3). If you only believe that the kingdom is at hand (Mark 1:15), as preached by the twelve, you are lost. If you only believe in the name of Jesus, as preached by the twelve, that he is the Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31), you are lost. If you only believe you should repent and be baptized (Acts 2:38) you are lost. If you only believe the gospels of the twelve Apostles you are lost.

The gospel given us in this dispensation is only found in the epistles of Paul; examples being Romans 3:19-26 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

 

[Matthias]

There is only one gospel newbies, and it isn’t Paul’s; it’s God’s.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Ephesians 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel.

The mystery of the gospel was revealed by revelations of Jesus Christ only to Paul.

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Paul and the twelve Apostles preached Christ. Paul preached Christ according to the mystery and the scriptures of the prophets. The twelve did not preach Christ according to the mystery.

Paul claims the gospel as being "my gospel", which distinguishes it from all others. Paul states his gospel was according to the mystery. The mystery was kept secret until revealed to Paul, which means the twelve Apostles could not have known it.

Paul's gospel is now made manifest.

Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

Paul was an Apostle to the Gentiles.

3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

God clearly states that there are dispensations. We are in the dispensation of the grace of God. Gentiles can now be saved freely, along with Jews, without the law and covenants. Gentiles no longer are separated from Israel. Gentiles no longer have to come to God through Israel.

3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Jesus revealed the mystery to Paul.

3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The mystery of the church, the body of Christ, was revealed only to Paul. The body of Christ composed of Jew and Gentile is a new creature seated in heavenly places ( 2 Corinthians 5:17 Ephesians 2:6).

Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

The mystery was hid even from the twelve disciples, but was made manifest to us by Paul.

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
18:32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
18:34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Paul's gospel includes the death, burial, and the resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The twelve Apostles had no understanding of any of this according to Luke 18:34. Even though Jesus told them of his death and resurrection they didn't understand as it was hid from them. The twelve Apostles could not have been preaching the same gospel as Paul.

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Jesus was preaching the gospel of the promised Davidic kingdom (Luke 1:32-33 Ezekiel 24-28 Isaiah 9:7 2:2-3 Exodus 19:6).

Luke 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
9:6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

The twelve Apostles were not preaching the same gospel as Paul, but rather the gospel of the kingdom, which Paul never preached.

It is imperative to believe the gospel that was given to us and be justified unto eternal life.

The gospel has been progressively revealed throughout scripture. Those that believed the gospel revealed in their dispensations, believed God, and were justified unto eternal life (Romans 4:3). If you only believe that the kingdom is at hand (Mark 1:15), as preached by the twelve, you are lost. If you only believe in the name of Jesus, as preached by the twelve, that he is the Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31), you are lost. If you only believe you should repent and be baptized (Acts 2:38) you are lost. If you only believe the gospels of the twelve Apostles you are lost.

The gospel given us in this dispensation is only found in the epistles of Paul; examples being Romans 3:19-26 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

This is all parroting the hyperpauines books
Feldick
Breaker
Greens letters.

Bogus.totally hands down bogus heresy.
They want you to believe that Jesus was confused about his mission and Paul was inspired by a different holy spirit than Peter James John and Jesus himself.

 

[rebuilder 454]

You need to ask yourselves. What is the end game of this paul only heresy?

What is the destination?

What is the fruut of it?

It is a complete nothingburger,
There is no profound life-changing anything about it.
It is what is written in the word " that wanting their ears tickled, they heap teachers under themselves with itching ears".
They listened to these heretics.

 

[Lizbeth]

There is only one gospel, one Holy Spirit, one baptism, one Lord, for both Jew and Gentile. That it took some of the apostles a little time to really grasp that the gospel was also meant for the Gentiles does not change this truth.

We see in Acts 10, (so pretty early on I gather) what was revealed to Peter when he had the vision of the unclean animals and the Lord commanded him to not call unclean what God has made clean and to go and minister to Cornelius, a Gentile, and the outcome of that story being this:

Act 10:34-36

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

Act 10:44-45

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I believe where Paul speaks of "my" gospel he just meant the gospel that he himself was preaching in general, which was the true gospel. Because there were false teachers who were preaching false gospels. And keep in mind that the disciples had been unlearned in the scriptures whereas Saul, a Pharisee knew the scrips well and probably had therefore cottoned on to many of those passages having to do with Gentiles which foretold of them being gathered to Israel (through the gospel) etc. God used all the apostles to bring glory to Himself in different ways. Paul probably understood the "mystery" better in relation to the old testament prophecies. I think we should be careful of making too much of these things though, because that can lead astray.

 

[Doug]

They want you to believe that Jesus was confused about his mission and Paul was inspired by a different holy spirit than Peter James John and Jesus himself.

Where did I write this
I have no idea what you are claiming

 

[Doug]

I believe where Paul speaks of "my" gospel he just meant the gospel that he himself was preaching in general,

[1Co 9:17 KJV] 17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.
This means there is different gospel

Paul's gospel had unique elements

The church the body of Christ was only preached by Paul

The church would be seated with Christ in heavenly places

Justified without the law

Jew and Gentile in one body

No more Jew or Gentile...one in Christ

Not under covenants

Gentiles saved apart from Israel

 

[PGS11]

The four Gospels that are in the bible were written to different groups for their understanding Hebrews, Romans, Greeks, and Christians.Luke's is to the Gentiles and Jews Mathew to the Jews Mark for non Jewish readers and Romans John wrote for Jews and non Jews about the divinity of Christ.So you will see variation.
Peter to the circumcised Paul to the non circumcised.

 

[Doug]

The four Gospels that are in the bible were written to different groups for their understanding Hebrews, Romans, Greeks, and Christians.Luke's is to the Gentiles and Jews Mathew to the Jews Mark for non Jewish readers and Romans John wrote for Jews and non Jews about the divinity of Christ.So you will see variation.
Peter to the circumcised Paul to the non circumcised.

But are you saying they all preached or taught the same thing?

 

[Lizbeth]

[1Co 9:17 KJV] 17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.
This means there is different gospel

Paul's gospel had unique elements

The church the body of Christ was only preached by Paul

The church would be seated with Christ in heavenly places

Justified without the law

Jew and Gentile in one body

No more Jew or Gentile...one in Christ

Not under covenants

Gentiles saved apart from Israel

It's all one gospel. The various apostles might have received some different revelation of other aspects of the truth, but their gospel of salvation and of the kingdom of God had to have been all the same...because there is only one gospel and none of them can be said to have been false apostles preaching a false gospel. The gospel is "the" Way of salvation.....and Jesus is that Way and Truth and Life. None of them would have been preaching anything different. There is only one Way, one Christ. No man cometh to the Father but by me, said Jesus. That's "the" gospel that all the apostles preached.

 

[Doug]

there is only one gospel and none of them can be said to have been false apostles preaching a false gospel. The gospel is "the" Way of salvation.....and

Peter and the twelve were as you said not false apostles but they were given different gospels to preach

 

[Verily]

Paul says,

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[Doug]

Paul says,

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

There is no commentary on these verse from you so can I assume you mean Peter should be accursed?

 

[Verily]

There is no commentary on these verse from you so can I assume you mean Peter should be accursed?

Why would Paul mean Peter was accursed

Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles )

Aren't you the one implying there is more than one gospel and trying to teach that?

 

[Doug]

Why would Paul mean Peter was accursed

Paul never said Peter was accursed
Paul in Galatians 2:7 said Peter was ordained to his apostleship to Israel
Paul separated his ministry from Peter so there would not conflicting gospels

 

[Verily]

Paul never said Peter was accursed
Paul in Galatians 2:7 said Peter was ordained to his apostleship to Israel
Paul separated his ministry from Peter so there would not conflicting gospels

I did not say Paul said Peter was accursed, YOU introduced that thought. This thread is called "The apostles did not preach the SAME gospel"

I posted, that Paul says,

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

You said,

There is no commentary on these verse from you so can I assume you mean Peter should be accursed?

I said,

Why would Paul mean Peter was accursed, and posted

Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles )

And asked,

Aren't you the one implying there is more than one gospel and trying to teach that?

 

[Verily]

Similarly John

2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

2 John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

[Doug]

I did not say Paul said Peter was accursed, YOU introduced that thought. This thread is called "The apostles did not preach the SAME gospel"

I posted, that Paul says,

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

You said,

There is no commentary on these verse from you so can I assume you mean Peter should be accursed?

I said,

Why would Paul mean Peter was accursed, and posted

Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles )

And asked,

Aren't you the one implying there is more than one gospel and trying to teach that?

I am sorry but I dont understand where you are going here

I would be willing to respond if I could

 

[IronMaiden]

I am sorry but I dont understand where you are going here

I would be willing to respond if I could

Hey Doug… What is the gospel, as you understand it? Is there more than one?

 

[pepper]

Paul says,

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

I think it is a count of eleven times wherein Paul referred to his teachings as his Gospel."My gospel".

There are many Christians who do not accept Paul's gospel.

One reason for this is, for Paul to be correct as to his being sent by Christ to teach the Gentiles one has to accept Jesus ascension was premature.

Then, one has to consider to make up for that untimely error he enlisted a murderer and Pharisee to complete His mission to include non-Jews.
Picking a man from a group of people,the Pharisees,whom He had earlier charged of being of their father the Devil. Now one of those was chosen,after overseeing the murder of Stephen for Apostasy, to turn Apostate and teach Heresy.

Then there is the adverse example we are suppose to accept if Jesus and His act on the Damascus road when encountering Saul (Aka,Paul).

When on Earth Jesus healed the blind.

In the Damascus road Jesus blinded Saul. And covered his eyes with scales. (Like unto a serpent?)
Why? Saul was already blind to the Gospel , The Word.

And remember too. Lucifer's name while in Heaven translated to light Bringer.

Saul on the Damascus road encountered a bright light he then addressed as lord.
Satan is,was then too,lord of this world.

With Jesus ascended what better opportunity for Lucifer to do his best to abridge the Message that had removed Satan's power and revoke the second deaths hold on God's people?

And, besides the curse Paul-Saul puts on anyone who may bring a different gospel than his own when he knew the Apostles were preaching, there are not only his contradictions in comparison to those of Jesus. There's also Sails admissions in his own words to what we can see is his remaining fallen. And still in his own natural minded state.

Many people use these and other arguments to put forward the idea that Saul was not an Apostle.

He wasn't anointed by Christ personally as were the Disciples.

Also, the majority of the New Testament is occupied by Epistles written by a man who never heard nor saw Jesus in person.

When Jesus ascended He didn't ascend as a light. He ascended in His glorified body.



There are those who I have met who say,doubting Sauls Apostolic commission is doubting the Gospel.

That can never be true. The Good News is of God. Not a Pharisee!
Which is how Saul referred to himself,first person, when on trial before his own.